So, I'm looking at getting all three of these champs eventually, but for now, I have to pick one. I need a good mid laner that can stand up to mages with targeted abilities and not die, but I also need good sustain tops.
Anyway, which of these three champs would be the best for what I described above?
Also, not related to the topic, what are some good, tanky champs that are versatile enough to top or jungle?
Princess Emma1 votes
Kassadin has been a bit under the water lately. Not saying he is shitty, but from all the things you hear going around ; He is not a safe bet you would want to go with in the mid lane as you would have to exert tons more effort than many other champions to use him at his best, and even then you may have issues.
Vladimir is more of a top laner I would say and he has a somewhat weak game until around level 7-9, but he has great sustain since he uses no resources and can heal himself with his Q and W along with his E (doesn't heal) which can amplify his self healing, spell regeneration and spell vamp, and he can wind up being hard to kill as the game goes on. His W makes him untargetable as well which gives him a boost to his ability to survive. His R can do wonders in team fights as well.
Fizz has in his own way, much higher survive ability due to his E making him both untargetable as well as boosting his mobility to insane amounts (even some point and click abilities have a travel / cast time) and his sustain will mainly come from the 
which is a common item pick for Fizz, but his sustain can be a bit iffy depending on who you are up against. With further cool down reduction as well as levels, his mobility and power to survive is off the charts to the point where it is toxic.
As for the Top lane / Jungle 
can turn out to be very nasty, but you didnt hear it from me
Niyumi1 votes[{quoted}](name=Princess Emma,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=iOEO81Un,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-10-11T00:41:05.547+0000)
Well, you know, I enjoy playing harder champs or champs that require more effort. Just clicking on someone and deleting them isn't really super fun for me; I like more complex champs that make me feel like I really outplayed someone, rather than just out-itemized them.
What issues does he have?
Yeah, I typically see him top, but I do see a few mid picks (and went mid with him myself when he was F2P last week) -- and his sustain is just crazy; he'd do well against people who poke you down from a distance and then finish you off with a combo when you get low (since, you know, he never gets low). I only played a few matches with him, so I don't know just how powerful he is.
Yeah, I've gone against Fizz a lot, and his E is just... ugh. He can dodge just about everything, and then beat your face in and laugh as you explode -- and then he goes on to kill the rest of your team. I've seen him top and jungle as well, so I know he's versatile. My question though: Is he fun to play, or just faceroll spammy auto win, like LB, Kat and whatnot?
As for the Top lane / Jungle
Oh, I know allllll about Tahm. :P He's my highest mastery champion, and I play him top, jungle and supp. Once you get a few AS items and health, he's just a MONSTER. xD
As for the tank thing, I've been looking at Voli, Maokai, Zac and Sej -- just not sure how well they do or what they're good for.
Princess Emma1 votes I cannot quite recall what was up with Kassadin, but I think it had to due with his damage
Is just like Katarina and LeBlanc when it comes to dishing out damage, the damage is heavy and it will come, Fizz is face roll in a way, but he may require more knowledge over mechanics and positioning as compared to 
and 
since he has no point and click, not only that but his winrate is certainly not the best... I am not saying that win rate matters all the time, but still take it in heed.
Sejuani was very strong when Cinder hulk was released and due to that she has received some nerfs down to her power, I think she can still perform, but I have not played or seen her in ages so I can't quite say.
Zac mains from who I have seen / spoke too have very high win rates (65-70%+) and he is certainly a fun champ to play, but I cannot give too much on him.
Volibear.... I love Volibear, I think the way he moves is cute something about him makes me happy and I absolutely love what he can do, but I am biased on it so don't listen to anything I say about him.
I had a jolly good time (somewhat) with Maokai when he was on free rotation earlier this year, but I only played him in Aram, and have not seen or played him in a while so I can't quite say.
I do believe all 4 of the ones you listed can do exceptionally well, but someone else from the community may have to give you some knowledge on them :P
Niyumi1 votesThank you for such thorough responses, by the way, nice to see that on the internet. ^^
I'll have to dig around for more info on those particular champs, but it looks like all the junglers/tops I've been looking at are viable at least.
So it's looking like Fizz would be a good choice then. Lots of people are saying he has a lot of safety, and lots of damage, so he'd fill just what I need in mid lane.
Sirsir1 votesI would say Fizz. Vlad is a top laner, he is at his weakest early game and any poke mage will make his life hell. The only time you would take him mid is against assassins who have to whittle you down with poke (so any but Zed) and he can puddle their burst.
Kassadin isn't very strong right now. Hes not terrible, but not great.
So I would say Fizz. Troll Pole gives you great safety from point-clicks (I imagine you mean Veigar?) and ganks. Insane burst, decent roams, gets a lot out of Sheen and has an innate counter to Vei burst.
And as for Top/Jungles I suggest Olaf, Voli, Maokai, Shyvana or Tahm.
Niyumi1 votesYeah, Veigar is one of the big concerns of mine, haha. But, just clickers in general, like Annie, Kat, Zed, and so on. Abilities you can't really dodge.
Of those top laners / junglers you listed, who would you say is the most fun to play?
Sirsir1 votesYup, with the exception of Annie, Fish does work. Zed matchup is basically a test of patience, if you E before he ults you lose, and if he ults before you E he loses.
For Annie you want a long range poke mage. Preferably one with disengage like Ziggs or Xerath. She beats Fizz with her lack of cast times and her E, which mitigates his burst and procs on his Q and W.
Niyumi1 votesYeah, I typically play Azir or AP Ez into Annie. Just stay way out of her range, and E away if she flashes at me -- but if she hits me one time, I'm dead, basically.
TacoKing1 votesVlad. Just play like a bitch. Don't even poke, just play like a bitch. Forget about AA's, just use q to last hit minions. Enemy poked you? Just suck some blood. Enemy come near you or getting ganked? Pool, niggga, pool.
Seriously though, Vlad is probably the easiest. All you have to do early game is farm, and late game you become a monster without having to do much. Fizz is really strong too, but he has no sustain. Doesn't matter when you kill everyone instantly though. Never played Kass but I'd say he's the hardest.
Niyumi1 votesI get the feeling you don't like Count Punula that much. :P
TurtleStacks1 votesI love all three but kassadin is in a rough spot right now I think. You almost always have at least two to four tanks running around now a days. None of the tank buster items synergize on him. Whats thepoint of deleting the adc and maybe the assassin if you cant do anything to the rest of the team.
Niyumi1 votesSo is that the issue with Kass? He just can't deal with tanks?
TurtleStacks1 votesThat and he has a really hard start compared to other mid laners. His e is really situational until 6. You really have 2 skills until things get rolling in lane and that sucks so much if you are fighting someone like yas. He can just walk up to you pre 6 and poke without spamming his e so you dont get stacks.
Lugg1 votesFizz. Just start flask and pots, win game.
Wind Whistler1 votesAlso, not related to the topic, what are some good, tanky champs that are versatile enough to top or jungle?
Cho'Gath, for sure. He has great sustain in the jungle, great clear speed, great ganking, and resistance to invades. A lot of people go cinderhulk, but don't realize that his Feast stacks count as MAXIMUM health, and not BONUS health, which is what cinderhulk scales off of. What you really should be doing is going Devourer. A super high base AD combined with Vorpal Spikes and the Devourer passive makes his auto's do a lot, so the attack speed gained from Devourer really increases his damage output. Not only that, but after the 5.13 AP items rework, Rylai's Scepter now makes his E slow for 40% instead of 15%. He's just a walking death machine mid to late game, and if you walk into him, you'll be silenced, perma slowed, chomped on, and beaten to death with auto attacks.
Definitely give him a try. If you want to know more just give me a reply.