A request from a fill main.

Niyumi·Jan 17, 2016·49 votes·3,141 views

So, you have the fill role, right? It's for people who enjoy every role and play them all pretty effectively. Well, at least in silver, "fill" just means "support." Seriously, out of like 20 games, I've had maybe two that weren't support.

Here's my request: Make it so that, if you pick fill every game, you never get the same role more than twice in a row. So, say I'm supp. I can be supp again, but then after that, I can't be supp until I play a game as not supp.

So, out of three games, only two can be supp. Then the last one is just not supp.

Or maybe just add a random button, that randomly picks your main/sub role.

46 Comments

redniwediSJan 17, 20163 votes

Twice in a row might be a bit much, but there should definitely be some mechanic that gives people who main "fill" some amount of variety. Maybe have it so if a role is "randomly" assigned two or three games in a row it is locked out for the next one, but after each game is too often.

NiyumiJan 17, 20162 votes

No, I mean, say out of three games, two can be supp, while for the last one, supp is unavailable.

redniwediSJan 17, 20162 votes

Exactly. Maybe I wasn't clear with my post, but that's what I meant.

HEAljvLykdJan 17, 20163 votes

Just pick what you want to play then...

redniwediSJan 17, 201621 votes

What he wants to play is a random role each game, not the same role every time.

HEAljvLykdJan 17, 20162 votes

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What he wants to play is a random role each game, not the same role every time.

If you don't want to play supp, choose a role....

redniwediSJan 17, 201616 votes

You're missing the point...

He wants to play support. He wants to play all the roles. He just doesn't want to play the same role game after game.

The fill option is supposed to be the option for people like him. He doesn't want to choose because he likes all the roles. The problem is the fill option, at certain levels of play, will constantly give the same role game after game. It offers no variety, which is what people who use fill want.

Yes, he could just pick a role, but that is not what he is after. You can no longer type "fill" in chat and have it mean anything during draft mode champion select. That entire group of players lost something when the new draft mode was added, and so the OP is asking for a simple change that will bring that something back, at least in part.

HEAljvLykdJan 17, 20161 votes

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You're missing the point...

He wants to play support. He wants to play all the roles. He just doesn't want to play the same role game after game.

The fill option is supposed to be the option for people like him. He doesn't want to choose because he likes all the roles. The problem is the fill option, at certain levels of play, will constantly give the same role game after game. It offers no variety, which is what people who use fill want.

Yes, he could just pick a role, but that is not what he is after. You can no longer type "fill" in chat and have it mean anything during draft mode champion select. That entire group of players lost something when the new draft mode was added, and so the OP is asking for a simple change that will bring that something back, at least in part.

They lost the chance of having 4 jungle mains and one adc main on one team... Seriously though if you fill and complain about getting support so much then why the hell are you filling? Just pick a role and done.

redniwediSJan 17, 201610 votes

Seriously? What part of what I just said did you fail to understand, besides all of it?

Sometimes I don't explain myself very well, but I made my point abundantly clear. If you're not going to bother trying to understand it please stop replying to me. I don't really like being notified when someone doesn't read my posts.

HEAljvLykdJan 17, 20161 votes

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Seriously? What part of what I just said did you fail to understand, besides all of it?

Sometimes I don't explain myself very well, but I made my point abundantly clear. If you're not going to bother trying to understand it please stop replying to me. I don't really like being notified when someone doesn't read my posts.

You're just saying I choose fill but I don't want to play this role, that's exactly what fill is for. You fill for the role that less players want and that role is support. If you don't want support then don't fill. Logic is hard sometimes huh?

BeatzBoyFTWJan 17, 201614 votes

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You're just saying I choose fill but I don't want to play this role, that's exactly what fill is for. You fill for the role that less players want and that role is support. If you don't want support then don't fill. Logic is hard sometimes huh?

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OP meant that he doesn't want 5 fills to be 5 supports in a row.

Goddamn it, get your brains working.

HEAljvLykdJan 17, 20161 votes

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OP meant that he doesn't want 5 fills to be 5 supports in a row.

Goddamn it, get your brains working.

Then stop choosing to fill it's not so hard. Fill doesn't mean you want to play a variety of roles/champs. Fill means you play the role nobody else wants to and that role is support. If you don't want to support five games in a row stop filling then LOL wtf it's not riots fault it's your own

BeatzBoyFTWJan 17, 20166 votes

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Then stop choosing to fill it's not so hard. Fill doesn't mean you want to play a variety of roles/champs. Fill means you play the role nobody else wants to and that role is support. If you don't want to support five games in a row stop filling then LOL wtf it's not riots fault it's your own

I'm just trying to get you to understand shit, cz you're making yourself looking more stupid as each comments between you & redniwediS passes by.

HEAljvLykdJan 17, 20161 votes

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I'm just trying to get you to understand shit, cz you're making yourself looking more stupid as each comments between you & redniwediS passes by.

Sorry low elo always wants riot to do something for them even if it's as pointless as not allowing fill to fill them in as support for three games in a row. Sometimes if you guys use your brains to choose a role and stop complaining you can not be support for five games in a row you know? Maybe you might even climb out of low elo using your brain.

Kawaiian PizzasJan 18, 20169 votes

say it's your birthday, and everyone gets you socks. you're fine with socks, at least they got you something. next year: they get you socks, you get a little peeved that all you got was socks again but hey, at least you got something. Third year: you get socks, now you're fed up with their bullshit and want something different

moral of the story, you want to get a surprise, but if you get the same one over and over, it's not a surprise anymore

Widder88Jan 18, 20164 votes

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Then stop choosing to fill it's not so hard. Fill doesn't mean you want to play a variety of roles/champs. Fill means you play the role nobody else wants to and that role is support.

If fill means support, its a useless option, because the support option already exists.

An option which assigns you to all roles equally often would be much more useful.

If I want to play every role equally often, what should I do know?

Probably something like this:

Choose almost always mid primarily
Choose Top/bot/jungle randomly secondarily
Choose support much more infrequently secondarily

The system is bad.

TohobJan 17, 20163 votes

maybe you could do this yourself? last game you played support, so pick top/jungle. then next game pick mid/adc. just keep picking different roles

NiyumiJan 17, 20163 votes

Yeah, I could, but that kind of defeats the purpose of having a random button in fill. I can never really decide what I want to do anyway, and that's why I always filled.

DedraakJan 18, 20161 votes

Same exact way man. There's some fun to not knowing what you're going to be playing. But tbh I don't see anyway people like us get back to how it was. I've been using tohob suggestion and it's still fun. Change takes time I guess.

RavenhaleJan 17, 20163 votes

I'm curious, but doesn't this mean that if you called "fill" prior to the new queue... you got support. I'm fairly sure the fill = support didn't change because of the new queue.

NiyumiJan 17, 20163 votes

Well, no, not always. In the old system, people didn't pick a role and totally exclude everything else. I would say I'm a fill main, and I'd get a good variety of roles. Sometimes mid, sometimes ADC, sometimes jungle, sometimes top and sometimes support. I very rarely got the same role twice in a row.

Now that everyone picks a role, support is what I always get, since no one in my ELO actually wants to play supp.

RavenhaleJan 18, 20161 votes

I think I get what you mean. I've played blind a couple days in a row. The first day I ended up support 4 out of 6 games (which is why I asked if fill = support). On the other hand, last night I didn't get support in any of the three blind games I played. Support was actually called in two of them, and the last had a "Fill" that didn't want the Mid lane. That's something that wouldn't happen in the new team building queue.

I think the issue with "Fill" in this system is that it applies a "Fill" to any team available and fills in what isn't used (aka Support). To more resemble the old system, Fill probably should randomly generate a role prior to matchmaking and then "Fill" with that role.

SaiannaJan 18, 20163 votes

Or maybe just add a random button, that randomly picks your main/sub role.

Presses the button Rolled numbers are~~~~ [drum please] dum dum dum~~~

Support and Support!

Power CosmicJan 18, 20163 votes

The way this new system treats people that usually fill is a serious hole. Filling has absolutely nothing to do with supply and demand.

Iron RubricJan 18, 20162 votes

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The way this new system treats people that usually fill is a serious hole. Filling has absolutely nothing to do with supply and demand.

It's absolutely what it is, what the guy is saying he wants a "random" role option

Power CosmicJan 18, 20161 votes

I can't tell if you are agreeing or disagreeing. Whatever the case, remember everything that lacks real definition is open to interpretation; and will often be viewed in varying ways.

MEMEME670Jan 19, 20161 votes

Fill has a real definition. You're doing what the other people don't want to do (or don't prefer).

A high percentage of the time, this is support.

PenguinOverlord8Jan 18, 20162 votes

this isn't a super good solution but you could use a random number generator. Use it first for primary second for secondary. You assign what the numbers mean.

SohleksJan 18, 20162 votes

If Riot is serious about running this new role pick ranked system IMO I think...

they're gonna have to eventually implement some hidden scores on everyone's account. These scores track your recent role assignment. And you get more and more priority elsewhere if your scores aren't balanced with your selections.

If you pick a main and secondary role and you get secondary too many times it should give the system more preference to your #1 preferred pick. Maybe even bump you ahead in queue of others who have more "content" scores. Or simply just look for a secondary role game for you if your primary role score is above most people.

If you're a filler if role selection gets really imbalanced it should wait for the next best pick for you.

They should implement that the same time as incentives for fill players. That way # of fill players increase in general which also makes the whole system healthier and more efficient.

Otherwise Riot I think you really should just scrap this new ranked system entirely. There's absolutely no chance of queue times and matchmaking quality working acceptably otherwise.

It's possible it's already implemented like this though and it just doesn't work under the stresses of reality.

Generally I don't like the new system entirely tho. Guaranteed much longer queue times for most players across the board for a contrived system because a few people can't adapt to the game. Fill pick being non-functioning in average elo is a disgrace IMO.

Carpe VictoriaJan 18, 20162 votes

Random button, sure. Fill doesn't mean random. Fill means 'whats not taken'...so yea, in low elo that means sup. For now, you should just try not hitting fill. You can 'randomly' click any 2 roles pretty easily and control not playing the same lane 2 times in a row. Just pick 2 roles on a whim.

SasogwaJan 18, 20162 votes

Roll a die, 1 Top 2 Jungle 3 Mid 4 Adc 5 Support 6 Reroll the die

And then put it in your research. (do the same for secondary role if u wish) There's your random generator.

Dice are cool.

Mirai KoJan 18, 20162 votes

Sadly enough, Fill literally means filling in for what's missing, and what's missing is support most of the time. Like you suggest, what you really want is more of a random button than a fill button. Though really, all it would do is make you wait however long it takes to get a hit to find out what you're going to be.
Really, the effect could be accomplished by just assigning the role choices to a die and rolling it twice, then setting those two things as your role choices. (Admittedly that gives Support 2 spots on the die~)

NaramielJan 17, 20161 votes

Another way to solve this would be a suggestion I've seen some make on the forums: a "anything but (x)" option.

NiyumiJan 17, 20163 votes

Well, see, I'm fine playing support. I just don't like doing the same role over and over and over and over and over and over again.

HEAljvLykdJan 17, 20162 votes

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Well, see, I'm fine playing support. I just don't like doing the same role over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Then choose one... Simple huh?

DedraakJan 18, 20161 votes

Hahaha this dude just will never get it. Hey man, trying to help you out, if a bunch of people keep telling you what you're saying is irrelevant and annoying, weird thought so stick with me, maybe it actually is... GASP... I know that was a toughie

Lazypeon100Jan 18, 20161 votes

How is this hard to understand? He wants to play a random role, but not the same role every game because that's not really random. Choosing two roles isn't random either, so your solution is bunk.

Iron RubricJan 18, 20161 votes

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How is this hard to understand? He wants to play a random role, but not the same role every game because that's not really random. Choosing two roles isn't random either, so your solution is bunk.

It's not hard to understand, he can pick 2 different roles every time, if he picks fill he is resigning to whatever the system requires to "fill" a team

IuldinJan 18, 20161 votes

But does it really make sense to add a random system that picks a role for you when the player can go through this process themselves?

DrunKalistaJan 18, 20161 votes

That's a great idea tbh

Drunk Kalista

Winters DawnJan 18, 20161 votes

The things people have issues with... some people kids

JorenciceJan 18, 20161 votes

I'm a Fill main to but I've been doing normals.

And I've gotten a good mix between top and support.

Seems like no one wants to top either.

TendajiXJan 18, 20161 votes

Fill is essentially the system's way for making up for the way lower amount of support mains and even the lower amount of junglers to a degree

Iron RubricJan 18, 20161 votes

I think your missing the point of what "fill" means.

Your not picking "give me a different role every time!"

Your picking "I don't really care where I go I will take the role that is needed to finish a team"

They system scans, fills slots based on what people pick, and will stick the "fill" role in the first available most needed spot that is in short supply.

That spots tends to be support because less people like playing support over other roles.

By selecting fill you are selecting to get the least requested by players spot on the team, to finish of the team.

"Fill" does not mean "give me a random spot"

Fill = fill a team comp

Tribbles FoxfolkJan 18, 20161 votes

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So, you have the fill role, right? It's for people who enjoy every role and play them all pretty effectively. Well, at least in silver, "fill" just means "support." Seriously, out of like 20 games, I've had maybe two that weren't support.

Here's my request: Make it so that, if you pick fill every game, you never get the same role more than twice in a row. So, say I'm supp. I can be supp again, but then after that, I can't be supp until I play a game as not supp.

So, out of three games, only two can be supp. Then the last one is just not supp.

Or maybe just add a random button, that randomly picks your main/sub role.

Respectfully, I honestly have to disagree with this idea. I don't get support hardly EVER, and I'm in Silver 5 as a Fill main (yeah i'm in the hellhole...), so this really isn't a problem for me. In fact, I'm almost kinda sad I don't get support MORE considering it's my best role.