"Vayne was struggling"

Niyumi·Oct 4, 2016·78 votes·3,907 views

So we made her Q one shot people, because she had issues one shotting people before. WE CARE ABOUT OUR GAME GUYS!

120 Comments

Wiz the GreatOct 4, 201624 votes

I'm pretty sure that 46% winrate in plat soloq when average person that picks her has over 100 games on her can be called a struggle.On top of 0% pickrate in pro games, which she still maintains after buffs. Meanwhile caitlyn and jhin do same shit but with utility, high range and good early.Thinking face

But i guess Gold 5 0 lp with 1900 games knows better

NiyumiOct 4, 20165 votes

The reason her winrate is low is because 90% of ADC mains play Vayne, and drop her winrate artificially low.

But I guess ignoring facts means you know best.

SwaggyMcGhee420Oct 4, 20167 votes

"her winrate is low because people actually play her." ??????

RivuoOct 4, 20162 votes

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"her winrate is low because people actually play her." ??????

A champ is supposed to have a lower win rate if that champ is extremely popular.

For example, if a champ has a 40% play rate, and has a 56% win rate, that means that champ is way too fuckin strong, or way too easy but rewards excessively.

If a champ has a 40% play rate but a 46% win rate, then that is fine because it means the champ isnt too rewarding for noobies.

What he said is 100% correct, maybe you should understand?

SeenanOct 4, 20162 votes

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A champ is supposed to have a lower win rate if that champ is extremely popular.

For example, if a champ has a 40% play rate, and has a 56% win rate, that means that champ is way too fuckin strong, or way too easy but rewards excessively.

If a champ has a 40% play rate but a 46% win rate, then that is fine because it means the champ isnt too rewarding for noobies.

What he said is 100% correct, maybe you should understand?

Not to mention if we're talking about champion.gg, all champ.gg games are scored from plat+ onwards.

SwaggyMcGhee420Oct 4, 20161 votes

You really think a 40% play rate with a 46% win rate is fine? Popularity doesn't necessarily have anything to do with win rate. Also, if their play rate is that high, winrate should be closer to 50% unless they're UP.

RivuoOct 4, 20161 votes

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You really think a 40% play rate with a 46% win rate is fine? Popularity doesn't necessarily have anything to do with winrate.

Those were made up statistics..... i was giving an example

SwaggyMcGhee420Oct 5, 20161 votes

That doesn't change the fact that you said that if a champ had a 46% wr and a 40% play rate that they were fine... it doesn't matter if they're made up or not.

Feed DaddyOct 4, 20165 votes

^^ Vayne is basically garbage

GeshultzOct 4, 201622 votes

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So we made her Q one shot people, because she had issues one shotting people before. WE CARE ABOUT OUR GAME GUYS!

Luckily for you vayne has mutiple weaknesses to abuse such as no wave clear, weak base stats, no effective range outside her auto range , Loses damage if forced to switch targets, Easy to punish early game. For a even easier time bullying vayne just pick any of the other hypercarries with as good late games that can bully vayne in lane.

Lady HammerlockOct 4, 20165 votes

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Luckily for you vayne has mutiple weaknesses to abuse such as no wave clear, weak base stats, no effective range outside her auto range , Loses damage if forced to switch targets, Easy to punish early game. For a even easier time bullying vayne just pick any of the other hypercarries with as good late games that can bully vayne in lane.

As a Vayne main myself can confirm but her build paths can definitely cover a weakness

Hurricane Vayne is a new build and honestly it lets her hyper farm the crap out of minion waves onto of that, lets her multi hit(which she lacks and gives amazing survivability with warlords and lifesteal(my fav build)

2.Shiv Vayne, this is the shit people hate, and not my favourite build either, it semi covers her weakness of no wave clear or multi-hit but not to the fullest, the reason people hate it is because item 3087 item 3031 + Tumble + Crit auto will evaporate squishies since both shiv and tumble roll crit alongside the main auto attack

And yeah basically EVERY OTHER ADC counters Vayne bot lane early on, the only possible exception i can think of is KogMaw Even Sivir the once considered "countered by Vayne" can just push out the wave to no end once she has crit

MunchCrunchLunchOct 4, 20169 votes

1500 damage crits plus god knows how much statik shiv does damage will almost one shot a squishy late game lmao.

basically QE you die late game unless your a tank. but muh true damage

PB4UAMEOct 4, 20164 votes

My diamond ranked friend got a 2,700 damage crit against an Ahri in a ranked game. Shit's broke.

BakeRoIIsOct 4, 20164 votes

wtf she'd need about 500 ad without ult for that. and ahri with 0 armor.

PB4UAMEOct 9, 20161 votes

I have a picture of the post game stat for highetst crit, but don't want to doctor all the names out. The highest crit was 2,795 against a minion, but there was also a crit of ~2650 against their Ahri who was 4 levels behind and had 0 armor items built. Additionally, he builds armor pen marks and quints, as well as had a duskblade. The Ahri had very little armor after pen.

PermabannedGarenOct 4, 20163 votes

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1500 damage crits plus god knows how much statik shiv does damage will almost one shot a squishy late game lmao.

basically QE you die late game unless your a tank. but muh true damage

"Vayne is strong late game".

Go on?

Gamer Girl PaigeOct 4, 20168 votes

Oh look, another person bitching about vayne which has Barley a 50% win rate

SchàdenfreudeOct 4, 20164 votes

Go back to school kid.

Maybe then you can learn to capitalize "Vayne" and not "Barley," the latter of which you didn't even spell correctly.

Gamer Girl PaigeOct 4, 20169 votes

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Go back to school kid.

Maybe then you can learn to capitalize "Vayne" and not "Barley," the latter of which you didn't even spell correctly.

Bitching about capitalization on the internet. On a video game name. You destroyed me so badly. Holy crap hard core man Also I'm on a phone and I could care less what some fedora tipper thinks.

It Hertz When IPOct 4, 20167 votes

Much as I hate to side with the asshole, if you're going to use a phone to reply, you might want to slow down and make sure everything's typed right. Especially if you're debating someone; it's hard to take the moral/intellectual high ground in an internet argument with blatant misspellings and/or randomly capitalized words.

SchàdenfreudeOct 4, 20162 votes

You called me an asshole.

Photos of GhostsOct 4, 20163 votes

You called someone a kid

Synnx7Oct 4, 20163 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gamer Girl Paige,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gzEQJalW,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-10-04T02:17:48.693+0000)

Oh look, another person bitching about vayne which has Barley a 50% win rate

Oh look, another Vayne main defending his cancer adc with win rate statistic which doesnt mean shit

Hardstuck G4Oct 4, 20164 votes

Actually, it appears that (s)he is a support main. You're the cancer one here. Good day sir :P

Synnx7Oct 4, 20161 votes

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Actually, it appears that (s)he is a support main. You're the cancer one here. Good day sir :P

Fuck yasuo anytime

CrazFight Oct 4, 20166 votes

When vayne is on the enemy team ... http://www.punjabigraphics.com/images/139/Im-Not-Saying-I-Hate-You-Im-Just-Saying-If-You-Got-Hit-By-A-Bus-I-Would-Be-Driving-That-Bus-Ecard.jpg

Death by GlamourOct 4, 20164 votes

Gonna be fun when she comes back into the meta...

NiyumiOct 4, 201625 votes

She NEVER leaves the meta.

Craft ZeppelinOct 4, 201644 votes

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She NEVER leaves the meta.

I need to correct that. Her MAINS never leave her.

MelledoneusOct 4, 201618 votes

Pretty sure as long as she has the ability kill someone regardless of their HP or armor, she'll be in the meta.

RalanrOct 4, 20166 votes

Eh, she hasn't been FoTM recently. As long as she's not FoTM then I don't really care about how viable she is.

EnloctOct 4, 20162 votes

But every AD does that now.

chipndip1Oct 4, 20164 votes

Your title sarcastically asserts that Vayne wasn't one of the worst marksmen in this game until relatively recently, which makes you look rather Silver.

Sir FuzziOct 4, 20163 votes

That and Riven buffs seemed pretty odd, I mean, I always though the highest true dmg in the game boasted for Vayne enough.

Gosh DarnOct 4, 20162 votes

Vayne really doesn't have that much true damage. Velkoz and Fiora have way higher true damage burst and more true damage in practice. It takes about 30 AAs just to deal 100% max hp true damage as Vayne.

RivuoOct 4, 20163 votes

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Vayne really doesn't have that much true damage. Velkoz and Fiora have way higher true damage burst and more true damage in practice. It takes about 30 AAs just to deal 100% max hp true damage as Vayne.

Probably the most bronze statement i've ever heard.

AramsAreBestOct 4, 20163 votes

You say bronze all the time but you're silver 3...?

RivuoOct 4, 20161 votes

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You say bronze all the time but you're silver 3...?

People have more than one bank account bud.

AramsAreBestOct 4, 20163 votes

Why would you post in the gameplay section on your lowest ranked account? Unless your other account really is in bronze.

GULAG 4 UOct 4, 20162 votes

But he's platinum!

Oh wait, I meant a Xiaoweixiao client.

Gosh DarnOct 4, 20161 votes

You think a glass cannon Vayne with flat % hp true damage is going to deal more damage than Vel'Koz's long range aoe true damage of Fiora's scaling % hp true damage?

RivuoOct 4, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mr Poopybunghole,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gzEQJalW,comment-id=000b000100000001,timestamp=2016-10-04T22:05:41.584+0000)

You think a glass cannon Vayne with flat % hp true damage is going to deal more damage than Vel'Koz's long range aoe true damage of Fiora's scaling % hp true damage?

Can i ask you a question?

Why the fuck do you have to say

You think a glass cannon vayne with flat %

Ok first off, What the hell does glass cannon have to do with ANYTHING if we're discussing who does more true damage?

deal more damage than Vel'Koz's long range aoe

Again, what the hell does long range have to do with doing more damage. You honestly are like those cheap commercials that try to make the product sound good but its not.

Gosh DarnOct 4, 20161 votes

Have you EVER played a game of league of legends? How do you expect someone who dies to the slightest bit of burst to attack the same target 3 times, 10+ times in a fight? All ADCs do massive damage but explode to the slightest touch, that's why you focus the carry to win the game...

RivuoOct 4, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mr Poopybunghole,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gzEQJalW,comment-id=000b00010000000100000000,timestamp=2016-10-04T22:53:45.131+0000)

Have you EVER played a game of league of legends? How do you expect someone who dies to the slightest bit of burst to attack the same target 3 times, 10+ times in a fight? All ADCs do massive damage but explode to the slightest touch, that's why you focus the carry to win the game...

Stop changing the subject. I asked you a question. We are talking about which does more damage. So what did ''glass cannon'' and ''long range aoe'' = more damage

Gosh DarnOct 5, 20162 votes

I never changed the subject you just fail to see the very obvious answers I'm giving you. I'm talking about practical damage, that is, damage that is likely to be dealt rather than theoretical damage. Vel'Koz ulting an entire team and surviving is much more likely than Vayne being allowed to AA at 550 range for half a minute straight without being killed.

RivuoOct 5, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mr Poopybunghole,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gzEQJalW,comment-id=000b0001000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-05T01:07:00.584+0000)

I never changed the subject you just fail to see the very obvious answers I'm giving you. I'm talking about practical damage, that is, damage that is likely to be dealt rather than theoretical damage. Vel'Koz ulting an entire team and surviving is much more likely than Vayne being allowed to AA at 550 range for half a minute straight without being killed.

Yes i agree with you, but who will do more damage? Vayne 1v1 with a rengar or Vel koz 1v1 with a rengar?

You can argue all you want about theoretical damage and actual damage, but there ARE GOING to be situations in which vayne will OUT DAMAGE vel koz by ten fold. And there will be situations where vel koz will out damage vayne.

So that leaves your original statement false since you didnt indicate you're talking about theoretical damage and actual damage.

GayFluffyUnicornOct 5, 20161 votes

Oh oh poor vayne just DIES with NO lifesteal, no defensive items... oh wait. There is botrk, BT, warlords masteries, steraks, GA, mercurial, maw. Now tell me again poor vayne JUST dies after "a slight touch". It's not like she has the strongest self peel out of all adcs. Pls don't make vayne look like she can't do anything when focused because you know, she also has a team around her.

SwaggyMcGhee420Oct 5, 20161 votes

At max rank her w deals 12% true damage every three hits. That means it would take 27 autos to kill someone with only true damage.

Meanwhile Vel'Kozs ult can deal 800+ 125% ap at max rank.