Don't use this sion ult mechanic or you'll get banned!

UrSenpai·Mar 20, 2015·400 votes·105,684 views

My S2S Trent account was banned for "exploits" At first I thought it was because I haven't verified my account for so long. pics about my permanet suspension:

http://i.imgur.com/7IiWm8O.jpg http://i.imgur.com/aopOPC0.png http://i.imgur.com/pMju2Jr.png http://i.imgur.com/eJP8B0x.png http://i.imgur.com/4XqTiAi.png

I do not use scripts nor was I aware of this being an exploit. I wouldn't risk it due to the huge amount of money and time I spent on this account. I assure you all that Riot doesn't have proof for me using scripts, because you cant have proof for something that someone didn't do, so don't expect any if your asking riot, also I don't know how to prove that I don't do scripts. I can say however that I wouldn't pay money on an account I would script with, since there's a high chance of getting banned.

I truly believe this was an unfair ban, and bans like these should at least have a warning. If they did give me a warning I literally would've taken the "hold" button (h) off my key bindings so I could never do this again. I mention the problem being solved in a small claims court. I only told them this so they wouldn't push me to the side and would send someone higher in authority to deal with this mistake.

Thank you Wookieecookie for looking into the issue and unbanning me. I appreciate it.

390 Comments

RiotWookieeCookieMar 20, 2015162 votes

A while back there were a few things going on with Sion's Ult which could be exploited.

One of these methods was like the video you linked, where you could spam the "h" button and jitter Sion's Ult. The other method involved third party scripts and hacks to manipulate Sion's ult.

Our system incorrectly identified you for the latter, and unfortunately the notes left on your account were not enough for our PS Specialists to distinguish between the two.

I deep dived into your games to double check and have released the account. Long term next steps we're going to take a look at the notes left on accounts to better empower specialists with the judgement necessary to resolve these quicker.

I do want to take the time though to note that spamming "h" to jitter Sion's Ult was not intended behavior or an expression of good Sion mechanics. I've poked around and I do believe this unintended interaction was removed with the last patch.

But regardless of whether it was unintended or not it's on us to fix or disable the champion. Especially due to how easy it was to duplicate with only the vanilla LoL client. If we have no indication that the unintended behavior was done consistently and with the intent to create an unfair advantage it's not right for us to maintain a ban on a player's account for using it.

I say this, because there may be points in the future where a bug or unintended interaction is accidentally added to the game which could provide an unfair advantage to players. We do reserve the right to permanently ban any player who exploits this interaction to their advantage. An example of that could be the ZZ'rot's portal bug back in January. Were a player found to be using it to purposely win games, they would be removed. However, a player who accidentally triggered it would be safe.

PraetorPrimeMar 20, 201514 votes

That's great. It's a good thing he didn't "consider it closed" as he was told in the screenshot. He would of been wrongly punished. Thanks for the help

Prestige EveMar 20, 201531 votes

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A while back there were a few things going on with Sion's Ult which could be exploited.

One of these methods was like the video you linked, where you could spam the "h" button and jitter Sion's Ult. The other method involved third party scripts and hacks to manipulate Sion's ult.

Our system incorrectly identified you for the latter, and unfortunately the notes left on your account were not enough for our PS Specialists to distinguish between the two.

I deep dived into your games to double check and have released the account. Long term next steps we're going to take a look at the notes left on accounts to better empower specialists with the judgement necessary to resolve these quicker.

I do want to take the time though to note that spamming "h" to jitter Sion's Ult was not intended behavior or an expression of good Sion mechanics. I've poked around and I do believe this unintended interaction was removed with the last patch.

But regardless of whether it was unintended or not it's on us to fix or disable the champion. Especially due to how easy it was to duplicate with only the vanilla LoL client. If we have no indication that the unintended behavior was done consistently and with the intent to create an unfair advantage it's not right for us to maintain a ban on a player's account for using it.

I say this, because there may be points in the future where a bug or unintended interaction is accidentally added to the game which could provide an unfair advantage to players. We do reserve the right to permanently ban any player who exploits this interaction to their advantage. An example of that could be the ZZ'rot's portal bug back in January. Were a player found to be using it to purposely win games, they would be removed. However, a player who accidentally triggered it would be safe.

The worse part of this whole situation is that every reply from user support in his screenshots are literally copied and pasted replies used for all support tickets of the same subject. A user support member should be trying to help players to the best of their abilities, not lazily copy and pasting the same thing over and over for each reply ticket. I mean, nobody here even took into account the possibility of them being wrong. This user would have been wrongfully punished and had to deal with it if he didn't provide all of this proof... I seriously think you should take this up with someone who can reevaluate how support members work. This isn't the first time users have been wrongfully banned and just fed copied and pasted replies. I have a friend who I know in real life that stopped playing the game because she was banned for using scripts when she didn't. I myself have also had many situations with your support team where they would copy and paste replies to me and their pasted reply not be relevant to what I was saying at all...

They shouldn't get paid to just copy and paste.

DfenestratorMar 20, 201522 votes

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One of these methods was like the video you linked, where you could spam the "h" button and jitter Sion's Ult. The other method involved third party scripts and hacks to manipulate Sion's ult.

. . . .

I do want to take the time though to note that spamming "h" to jitter Sion's Ult was not intended behavior or an expression of good Sion mechanics. I've poked around and I do believe this unintended interaction was removed with the last patch.

But regardless of whether it was unintended or not it's on us to fix or disable the champion. Especially due to how easy it was to duplicate with only the vanilla LoL client. If we have no indication that the unintended behavior was done consistently and with the intent to create an unfair advantage it's not right for us to maintain a ban on a player's account for using it.

I say this, because there may be points in the future where a bug or unintended interaction is accidentally added to the game which could provide an unfair advantage to players. We do reserve the right to permanently ban any player who exploits this interaction to their advantage.

While I'm glad that the ban was lifted for this particular player, I strongly disagree with your policy.

I feel that if a bug or interaction is accidentally added to the game, and a player can reproduce it with **just **the vanilla client, you should not permanently ban any player who uses that interaction.

The standard you posted is too subjective and discourages people from experimenting with your game. It also problematic because there are (and will always be) questions among the players (especially the new ones) as to what is an "intended feature or interaction" and what is not.

For example, how is a player supposed to know that certain animation cancels are intended while something like this is not? Both of them appear equally intuitive, so we can't just rely on player intuition for the solution. We could try to rely on the information that Reds give, but what if a Red doesn't comment on a particular interaction? Should your players just assume that all interactions are unintended unless you say otherwise?

While my suggestion is far from perfect, I feel that it will have the least permanent collateral damage on your players. I also feel that it properly puts the ultimate risk of each game patch on RIOT and not the players. RIOT is the one who issues these patches and changes to the game. RIOT also has the tools to directly deal with the problems that arise from those patches. The players, on the other hand, have very limited options: they can either attempt to avoid those interactions (which, depending on the interaction, may or may not be possible) or not play the game until the interaction is fixed.

I don't necessarily think that this policy is going to ruin League of Legends, but I do feel it will lead to more unfortunate situations like this one, and I, personally, don't ever want to have to deal with it.

RiotWookieeCookieMar 21, 201528 votes

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While I'm glad that the ban was lifted for this particular player, I strongly disagree with your policy.

I feel that if a bug or interaction is accidentally added to the game, and a player can reproduce it with **just **the vanilla client, you should not permanently ban any player who uses that interaction.

The standard you posted is too subjective and discourages people from experimenting with your game. It also problematic because there are (and will always be) questions among the players (especially the new ones) as to what is an "intended feature or interaction" and what is not.

For example, how is a player supposed to know that certain animation cancels are intended while something like this is not? Both of them appear equally intuitive, so we can't just rely on player intuition for the solution. We could try to rely on the information that Reds give, but what if a Red doesn't comment on a particular interaction? Should your players just assume that all interactions are unintended unless you say otherwise?

While my suggestion is far from perfect, I feel that it will have the least permanent collateral damage on your players. I also feel that it properly puts the ultimate risk of each game patch on RIOT and not the players. RIOT is the one who issues these patches and changes to the game. RIOT also has the tools to directly deal with the problems that arise from those patches. The players, on the other hand, have very limited options: they can either attempt to avoid those interactions (which, depending on the interaction, may or may not be possible) or not play the game until the interaction is fixed.

I don't necessarily think that this policy is going to ruin League of Legends, but I do feel it will lead to more unfortunate situations like this one, and I, personally, don't ever want to have to deal with it.

I agree that it is subjective, and I intentionally made it so. You bring up some great points and I did want to say that my goal isn't to stifle creativity or people exploring new mechanics.

But players should also exercise good judgement when they discover something and think about the impact on the game. You mention things like animation cancelling which has been a component of the game and not something that falls under this category.

When I talk about bugs or unintended side effects in this category I'm specifically talking about specific game breaking issues. For example, the Zz'Rot's portal which was disconnecting players. The Mastery issue that gave people insta-Flash or insta gib abilities at level 1, the Tamat DC issue, or the max stacks on Sword of the Occult/Mejais. These are specific game breaking issues which give an unfair advantage to players that use them.

In addition, they required A LOT of extra work and arbitrary steps to pull off. Players may accidentally run into it as a bug, and that's fine they're safe. But we're more interested in finding the people who decide to use it to their advantage in games consistently and with intent to harm our community.

If we do find players in that category of abuse then they will likely be banned. For those past examples I listed we did permanently ban players that were abusing it.

But context is important in each case. And as I mentioned this particular jitter bug Sion issue is not one of those cases and this ban shouldn't have happened.

The nature of software development means that things will go wrong even if we do our best to QA and review a product before it is released. Our promise to all of you is that we will do our best to prevent these bugs in the first place, but if released we will do our best to actively find and fix them as quickly as is possible.

But the commitment that we expect from you guys, as our players; is that if you encounter these issues you report them to us or at the least do not abuse them to your own advantage and to the detriment of others.

BADxW0LFMar 21, 201523 votes

To reiterate, it is the responsibility of RIOT to fix these issues. You have teenagers who don't have the greatest sense of judgement who play this game and you put it on them to make rational decisions. Not very intelligent on your part.

And of course people will use it to their advantage. If you go to a gas station and the price was put into the system incorrectly (say $.37 instead of $2.37), you can't tell me that you would take full advantage of the cheap gasoline. And if you say you would, I call complete and total bullshit.

Exploiting a bug y'all were careless enough to introduce into the game is not our fault and should not be bannable. How are we supposed to understand what behavior is considered a bug and what isn't? Now, this is coming from a fellow QA/Automation developer so I know that there are things that you can miss. However, that is on those who miss it, NOT the customers'. We are your customers. We buy skins. We put money into this game that you have created for us and, if you feel the need to ban us, then you have every reason to REFUND our money. You don't want out business, then give it back.

RetillinMar 21, 201512 votes

You understand why people have a bad taste in their mouth here right? Your policy (from the support tickets, to Leavebuster, to this, ect...) put the onus onto the players. And it seems as if something happens Riot's first thought is, "it's the players fault". In the past year to 18 months the wording of Riot's polices have become less consumer friendly and seems to be placing the blame for issues onto the players.

Also remember, Lee Sin's ward hop was a bug that was left in the game. If we didn't have players take advantage of that we wouldn't have LC$Bigplays.

TornVenomMar 21, 201523 votes

Here's what made me mad as a customer in this situation : "We've already explained the context for your suspension. We will not be removing the punishment and consider this matter closed" Basically, what I hear as a customer (yeah, I've spent closer to $600 bucks on this game so I'm a customer) is 'our software doesn't make mistakes, you're a hacker, go fuck yourself.' Is this representation of how you (Riot) feel about your customers? This is a fairly poor example of customer loyalty (Masters in Business Management and Electronic Systems Management so I know a thing or two about this).

The ChinMar 20, 2015154 votes

if it's a bannable offense, they should probably remove it from the game...

UrSenpaiMar 20, 201559 votes

that's what I told them in my last paragraph.

ChessburgerMar 20, 201528 votes

That whole conversation is very shady. Very shady perceived moral superiority.

not a starburstMar 21, 20159 votes

If they won't disable Nidalee's invisispears, what makes you think they'll deal with this the logical way?

SouL1essMar 20, 201598 votes

What the hell?

How does this warrant a ban? If Riot disallows it, they should patch it, not ban the person using the mechanics that are ALREADY in the game.

Poptart EvelynnMar 20, 201583 votes

Edited at end of post for seeing what is possibly false about this thread. Edit 2 - Seems actually Riot had a false positive and messed up. Thankfully a Rioter took action :)

Since when were mechanics bannable? This is pretty stupid I was unaware of this not being allowed.

What about Ahri Charm/Flash? Is that a mechanic or exploit? What about Singed sky Attack? What about trapping blue on lil mobs? What about using Naut W to reset auto/e animation cancle to instantly attack? What about animation cancling in general?

Are these really exploits? I don't see how it's an exploit but just part of the game.

I think they are bull shitting you and accusing you of using a hack/script(Which exist) to do it.

Edit - I actually read the image and yea, they said you were using scripts. I'm going to be honest. I'm very aware of the Sion Ult script/injection program that can literally make the ult 100% control 360 noscope on a dime control. So if you got banned for it someone submitted video evidence of you doing that and I don't feel sorry for you. Edit 2 - A false positive and you were unbanned wow. That's nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiREPbbAgJU

Although I'm still worried about what exactly is considered an exploit.

UrSenpaiMar 20, 201544 votes

yea, I think this was a pretty unfair ban, I told them I would never do it again and was unaware it was an "exploit". Not sure if I can get my account back though, so I made this to warn others.

I'm not gonna lie I'm really butthurt, haha.

SheikaReiMar 20, 201566 votes

But that didnt even really do anything! what the hell? It was just making Sion stop his running, thats all. Why the hell would that get you banned? It didnt even effect the game at all. What the flying Teemo . The reason for the ban is ludicrous.

UrSenpaiMar 20, 201548 votes

Yea man, I've been really upset. I wasn't intending to get an unfair advantage, I did it because it looked funny.

I tried explaining this to them but they didn't seem to care.

Leti the YetiMar 20, 201510 votes

downvote if you will, I'm not saying that its a perfectly bannable offense but to say that it does not effect the game at all is most definitely false

Sure it does, you now have obscene control over an otherwise morbidly unreliable ult

the stun duration of the ult is also increased by how long its been going on before impact, so using it from a distance yields better results than point blank, assuming you actually hit something

stopping the ult shortens the distance you travel but still maintains the bonus CC and damage plus being able to hit the breaks let you actually hit someone

ult duration is persevered while not putting your champ out of position as you recall, you got all this cc immunity and shit for its duration

the advantages are numberous

Kuroi86Mar 20, 201523 votes

Which raises the question of why it hasn't been patched yet. The problem isn't that there is a mechanic that can be abused to this degree, it's how easy it is to accomplish, that is a major problem.

NorthernDruidMar 20, 201518 votes

The issue is also that similar cases of a champion having exploitable mechanics which drasticly change their capabilities (see: RIven animation cancelling) aren't treated as an exploit.

The issue is also that they give a permaban, not a sharp warning, and that they haven't spoken up about removing it (yet).

I'd really like to see Riot take a stance on what is just mechanics (alistar W-Q combo for instance) and what is an exploit.

JalkanMar 20, 201560 votes

Upvoting for visibility.

ViolateMar 20, 201552 votes

i have been playing league for 5 years and i never thought that you could get banned for a move THEY put in the game. They never told anyone this wasn't acceptable like control 4 to change looks on a champ (dj sona and knight hunter rengar) i thought this was just part of Sion's kick they should not be banning people for something they put in the game, pls rito.

import name hereMar 20, 201524 votes

I A 100% Garen TEE #LONG LIVE S2S PLEASE UNBAN THESE TYPE OF PEOPLE AND FIX THE SION GLITCH AND BE PROFESSIONAL RIOT

IntelligentSpudMar 20, 20153 votes

Unfortunately, if you ever bothered to read the terms and conditions, you would probably find something in there about it... Fortunately, there is nothing to enforce the reading of these terms and conditions, though if you do skip it(like every other summoner commanding the will of these runeterans), you are prone to the BAN OF DOOM, until you make a new account.

chavyy142Mar 20, 201517 votes

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Unfortunately, if you ever bothered to read the terms and conditions, you would probably find something in there about it... Fortunately, there is nothing to enforce the reading of these terms and conditions, though if you do skip it(like every other summoner commanding the will of these runeterans), you are prone to the BAN OF DOOM, until you make a new account.

The thing is, there are so many other mechanics in the game that should be considered exploits (and some are a LOT more game-changing) and yet Riot seems okay with leaving them in the game. It's just so arbitrary how this particular screw up in their coding will get you banned forever while another screw up in coding is allowed. Look at the Alistar Knock back+AA combo. Riot messed up their coding and Alistar was unfairly strong because he could knock you back then Auto you without any chance of retaliation. So was this an exploit of a bug? According to Riot, yes. Did they ban everyone who did it? Nope. Pros were doing it and nobody banned them. Instead it was eventually patched. Why wasn't that done in this case? That's why people are really pissed off.

ImFazeMar 20, 201547 votes

this is not cool you need to be unbanned this is just wrong and unethical. you spend so much time and money for this account and they ban you for something they didnt warn people not to use at all. good luck on your account supportin u all the way, good luck

AwoofMar 20, 201536 votes

Ok, so let's ban every Riven main. They are abusing animation canceling resulting in an unfair advantage.

This is really bullcrap, riot. At least give a warning this is not supposed to be used and just ban if they continue to.

Edit: Also, this is pretty funny:

choosing to use this exploit ruined the game for a multitude of other players

Like, come on, I wouldn't really care if the enemy Sion stuttered forward like that. What does that even accomplish? Giving me more time to walk to the side?

DreadPirateChrisMar 20, 201525 votes

If all he did was press 'H' a bunch of times, I don't see how that can be considered any different from any other mechanical trick. There's a bunch of ways to combine or animation-cancel skills that aren't part of 'normal' behavior that are simply considered 'good mechanics'. I'm pretty much unable to play Riven for example because she's balanced around the assumption that people will be doing some weird thing that animation cancels between Q's that I'm not really clear on how to actually do. Instead of calling that trick an 'exploit' and banning players using it, they nerfed Riven on the assumption that all Riven players would use it and forever after she's 'balanced' around that assumption (ie, powerful in the hands of people who can use this 'not-exploit' and worthless in everyone else's hands). Alistar's charge-knockup combo on simultaneous keypress was an unintended mechanic, but that didn't make it an exploit. Annie can shield herself -after- she fires her Q to make it an unannounced stun as long as she does it before the Q lands - I don't know if that was intended or not, but it does seem clear Annie is supposed to have a warning sign up when her stun is available and that -does- bypass it. (Not sure the 1/100'th of a second between shielding and Q'ing would matter to the opponent if you fired the skills in opposite order, but still, the way the trick works makes it -no- chance to react to the stun coming up.)

Maybe there's something more here that wasn't mentioned (some actual hack, for example), but it doesn't make sense at all to ban someone for using a mechanics trick without at least a warning that the trick is considered a bug and not a valid mechanic. Nerf Sion and leave the mechanic, or remove the mechanic and leave Sion alone, but why on earth would you go after players who had discovered a mechanic? That can only make people afraid to experiment with the range of the game.

If there is something more to it, Riot should explain clearly to us why this is an exploit and not a mechanic and how we would know the difference if we found an unusual way to use a champion in the future.

ArchenzMar 20, 201523 votes

Riot is so full of shit.

Look at the last response from Riot, Templar Iytsuna, acting all high and mighty saying "We have already explained the context for your suspension. We will not be removing the punishment and consider this matter closed."

People who respond like that to a paying customer who gave the money over the years, thats why I dont have any respect for half the riot team. Disgusting

"Standing defiant in the face of adversity must be tempered with reasoned judgement" Lol yea right, reasoned my ass.

ModKnightsKemplarMar 20, 201520 votes

For the first time, I gotta say I can't stand behind Riot on this.

You only used keys and abilities they included in the game, and it irks me that they would take your account away without even warning you. If they warned you, and you kept doing it, that would be one thing, and if I saw that's what happened, and they banned you, I would change my tune.

As it stands, it sounds like you were screwed by Riot. Pretty shady, indeed.

BakugoBestBoyMar 20, 201519 votes

wut no really, im sorry WUT?!

Rito: Hey guys among all your controls theirs a key specifically to make your character stop moving. It's super cool and stuff and you can use it really effectively on champs like rumble and to kind of cheese animations and stuff to fake out your opponents. But hey even though we've never come out and said it before now... DONT YOU DARE PRESS H WHEN USING SION ITS COMPLETELY EXPLOITING THE GAME AND WERE GONNA ~~FUCKING~~ PERMABAN YOU IF YOU DO IT.

I am literally in awe of the stupidity of this situation. You shouldn't have been so polite with them they're being ~~fucking~~ pricks.

DropFillMar 20, 201517 votes

It is fun, because riot didn't patch it even though this "exploit" is there for like....5 patches? They should not permaban someone. It is like banning someone because they can cancel riven's Q animation. I mean, isn't that a "exploit" too riot? Because if it is not, sion ult mechanic should not be either

RasvMar 20, 201517 votes

@Riot Please, this is ridiculous. Unban him. A permanent ban is too harsh punishment. Have you really banned (probably dozens of) people for doing this? You should issue a warning or a day ban or something. Don't act like him doing that actually negatively impacted so many people. Most of them probably laughed, and enjoyed a rare moment when you see something completely ridiculous in game. Don't be Nazis about this.

Can someone from Riot please explain this to us so I can decide whether or not I need to be upset?

DarkFaun FortesMar 20, 201516 votes

This is outrageous!!! I've dropped around $500 on this game already, and I've only been playing sense the middle of season 4.

How can they justify banning you for something THEY PROGRAMMED IN!?!?!?!? You didn't hack them, or install any non-riot programs to affect the game* right?* How is this a Violation of terms and services???????????????

I'm going to upvote this until it is seen, and re-post it on other sites. Personally, I think you should get a lawyer, get your money back, and be compensated for your time.

They could easily fix this with one patch, and they refuse. Intentionally and knowingly making a trap for experimenting players new to the champ!

UrSenpaiMar 20, 20159 votes

essentially what I think happened is the many players who didnt know about the sion ult hold trick reported me for scripts/hacking. And since rito got alot of people saying I hack they decided to ban me off the spot. I thought I could get it back pretty easily since I truly believe I did nothing wrong.

But after I talked with them they didn't seem to care, they just kept saying I scripted and the matter was closed. I havnt played league for a whole, I was going to make a new account, but I honestly felt somewhat betrayed and that they didnt care, which isnt surprising since millions of people play and I'm just 1 person

PraetorPrimeMar 20, 201511 votes

I really really hope that they see this post and notice the number of summoners backing you. This makes me lose respect for Riot.

Doubtful TrapMar 20, 201516 votes

If he doesn't get unbanned soon because of this thread.. I'm sending in a request. This is stupid

gottrjrMar 20, 201516 votes

Please unban or refund the money he spent while having the account.

EvoqueMar 20, 201515 votes

Dang rito... that should not be ok. At least give the guy a warning first. Then perma ban him if he continues to do this and you would really like him to stop after his warning. How is he suppose to know that it is exploiting the game when you guys are aware of the bug or mechanic and are KEEPING it in the game. I just don't see how you can just go around taking away accounts that don't deserve it. I completely understand that you guys are trying to protect the game but that's just not right... #longliveS2S

Mack The KnifeMar 20, 201515 votes

Logged in just to say this is a fucking travesty. If the situation really occurred as the OP described, Riot needs to unban him IMMEDIATELY, fix their code, and provide remedial training for the customer service rep who handled the situation in such a ludicrously inept manner.

HidingOverHereMar 20, 201515 votes

This is not a bannable offense. It's a mechanic they put into the game intentionally or not. They cannot ban you for using mechanics they put in or you would be banned for discovering ward jumps on Lee Sin.

You should have titled the thread "Banned for using mechanics" or something. In your messages to them, you should have made it clear that you did nothing wrong. Because you didn't. There is no way to tell now if something is a built in mechanic or their definition of "exploit" because they never mentioned it anywhere that this is a bug and shouldn't be used. If there was a popup in the game client saying "Sion's ult is bugged when pressing H and you will be banned for using it" then yes it is justifiable to ban you if you continue using it. They did not mention anything about it however, and so this ban is totally unjustifiable.

Dark MohanMar 20, 201515 votes

We won't be able to go into spectifics of an account's exploit abuse, as divulging this information could compromise future investigations.

Orianna Hey! We are banning you because you did THAT thing. Sion Wha...!? What did I do? Orianna Don't try to fool us. You know what we are talking about, we are talking about THAT thing. Sion This is ridiculous! How can I be banned for an offence that I do not even know? Orianna We won't tell you because it is classifed information. Just to be clear you did that thing and there is no turning back! Your ban still stands.

TsohgderMar 20, 201514 votes

This ban is ridiculous.

Should we also ban every nidalee that stays in the FoW hoping to hit you with an invisible spear?

Or every Riven who can cancel the animations of her abilities by using them in a certain order.

We all have seen Gragas flashing during his E, he's not supposed to do that, his E is designed so that he can't hit you when you're behind ally minions , we better ban everyone who uses this dangerous exploit.

The Lee Sin in my last game canceled the second Q by dashing to a minion, we can't have that, can we?

Seriously, riot should deal with their own mistakes, players will always find the best way to play their champions, all possible ways to use their abilities to gain a little bit of advantage, that's just how it is, that's why suddenly everyone uses runaan's on Kalista.

If it's possible to do it without third party programs and it doesn't kick people out of the server or something like that, why would you ban people for using in-game mechanics? If you don't like it, just disable the champion and fix the bug, you've done it before.

And this is like the dumbest exploit ever anyway.

Champion SkinMar 20, 20159 votes

Or Ward hopping... it wasn't intended and it gives an unfair advantage so lets just ban all Lee Sin players who use this unfair mechanic and some Jax and Katarina players

RakvirMar 20, 201513 votes

Disclaimer: I do not care if the reality of this is that this player could be lying to us about some facet or not including the ENTIRE situation at hand. This is not about this particular issue of whether Sion's "trick" is an exploit or not. This is the judgment of character of the representative handling it.

I honestly think this representative really wanted to be on the fight as their last reply to the final commentary this player gives 'em basically rings of the feeling one would get from someone who says "lalalalalalala...I can't hear you, I don't care...lalalalalalalala, just accept my piss-poor mediocre explanation and don't question it....lalalalalalala".

They don't even acknowledge that there needs to be a warning in place or something of that ilk AND proceeds to make sure they have the final word. Customer service or not, they actually don't NEED to re-iterate what they already said. True, it's most commonly done just out of standard business practice but repetition of "you're banned, deal with it" (albeit in more CS-orientated terms) is not a strict requirement.

It's a defensively bullying mechanic. They have this player bent over the barrel already so there was absolutely no reason to blatantly show that they are in charge when it was already painfully obvious.

2pudge1cupMar 20, 201512 votes

I have to wonder about Riot's line between "exploits" and "part of the game".

Look at Nunu when he ults you from a bush. Oh wait, you can't (unless you already have vision of him). It was never intended to be in the game but players liked it so it stayed. It was featured in a pro game many years ago.

Anyway, this'll probably be the part where a red like pendragon or wookie shows up to say a one liner without additional evidence like "you were banned for hacks" and then leave.

Edit: Well I was wrong on the second part. Kudos to wookee for admitting an error.

The Chain WarderMar 20, 201511 votes

Wow, that's really sad and unfair, especially if you were just doing it to look funny and not to turn the game around. :/ They really need to patch that up.

Klatn YeloxMar 20, 201511 votes

See it is this kind of thing that makes me not want to spend money on this game. There are a number of things I want to get, like more rune pages, and a few more champs. But then things like this come along, and I'm like, "Nah, the don't need my money. I'm going to go buy the Kingdom Hearts 2.5 HD Remix instead. It'll round out my collection."

Pretty sure other people think the same way. Riot, fix an exploit like this as a priority. Not our fault we found something that is mechanically awesome within the game. Also, PBE test things for a longer time.

Ulquiorra995Mar 20, 201511 votes

Sorry Riot, but isn't permabanning someone for using something you programmed in a bit too severe? It'd be understandable if it was game breaking, but it's not. What's next? Permabanning Riven players for using emotes to animation-cancel her Q? Because that move is in the same vein as the Sion mechanic above, but is considered an important mechanic in mastering Riven.

Seriously, note it somewhere that it's not supposed to be so. What is a first time Sion player going to think when he accidentally holds his ult? "Oh, cool trick, I'm going to use it" or "Shit, I will get banned for this"? If your answer is 1 - NO FUCKING SHIT. Permabanning a loyal player over something that might have been working as intended because you ONCE AGAIN displayed poor communication about the matter is a dick move.

oridMar 20, 20159 votes

League of Legends is filled with undocumented mechanics that players use to gain an advantage, such as animation canceling. Banning a player for using a mechanic without any warning is unacceptable.