I'm flabergast people don't realize how broken upgraded stealth totems are..

Valhalla Rising·Mar 29, 2015·44 votes·4,382 views

how broken? it's stronger then a sightstone..

It can provide 3 full in just 1 minute because it holds 2 charges and restores 1 every minute, which also means you never have to back to recharge it like you do a sightstone.

hmm what else, it doesn't take up an item slot, and it only costs 250g, 550g less then a sightstone.

yes you can buy a blue or red trinket with a sightstone but bleh to that when you have all I mentioned above instead.

recognize this before it's nerfed plz.

50 Comments

KivolanMar 29, 20156 votes

In the ideal situation, each member of your team would always have a pink down on the map.

Three people would have upgraded Stealth Totems, other two would have the red.

Currently, though, one person (usually support) gets the red and I'm the only one with an upgraded totem. :D

NewOnyxMar 29, 20151 votes

imagine it, top with the upgraded, mid with the one that gives u a vision ward and adc with another one while supp has the lens THINK OF THE VISION, NO MORE PUTTING WORTHLESS WARDS INTO BUSH'S TO CHECK FOR ENEMYS WHILE UR LITERALLY WALKING INTO A JUNGLE WITHOUT VISION AND BLAMING JUNGLER BECAUSE U DIE..

ThePlasticSporkMar 29, 20154 votes

It's not necessarily overpowered, because everybody has the option to access it easily. It's disproportionately strong given its cost, but so are wards in general.

Given how methods of vision denial are just as easily accessible (the enemy team can have up to 5 pinks and most teams will have 2 sweepers), it's honestly fine in its current state.

Smitty ManjensenMar 29, 20153 votes

I buy it every game where I am able, it's really good, probably even op

Arcade CookieMar 29, 20151 votes

Same, and it's op.

NewOnyxMar 29, 20153 votes

tbh can we keep this on the low... also please say nothing about upgraded sweepin lens..

SecretAgentHulkMar 29, 20151 votes

upgraded sweepin lens op af

NewOnyxMar 29, 20151 votes

please just shh, id rather they nerf the totem cause then we can always destroy wards >:)

item 3341 + Thresh = :D ^ upgraded of course

SecretAgentHulkMar 29, 20151 votes

item 3364 (Oracle's Lens)

NewOnyxMar 29, 20151 votes

how, teach me senpai..

SecretAgentHulkMar 30, 20151 votes

If you click the insert items bit, then search for lens, you should get both Sweeping and Oracle's.

TenSlashTenMar 29, 20152 votes

or you could buy blue trinket and have infinite chances to land globals. Or you could buy red and deal with any stealth/wards in your jungle/river...

ArticFeverMar 29, 20152 votes

Or we could buff the red and blue trinket to have charges to balance it out instead of a direct nerf.

SecretAgentHulkMar 29, 20151 votes

Eh, they're both pretty OP honestly (I've noticed that LCS players, at least in NA, almost always have reds and blues, no yellows), and the cooldowns are sandwiched between the two yellow upgrades (Yellow green: 60s, Red: 75s, Blue: 90s, Yellow pink: 120s).

PikmintsMar 29, 20152 votes

There are a few things that upset me in this game consistently, one of which being a team that upgrades their stealth totem to drop a vision ward instead of the 2 normal wards when the enemy team has no stealth.

ccseancc143Mar 29, 20151 votes

Red Trinket is better

The Bearded BardMar 29, 20153 votes

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Red Trinket is better

I replace red trinket on supports at lvl 9 for pink ward trinket.

Battlecast ValorMar 29, 20151 votes

I've won a couple of ranked games because I told everyone on my team to upgrade their trinkets and they did. We ended up getting complete vision control of the map, knowing where the enemy team was at all times, and winning.

BluePolarizerMar 29, 20151 votes

If you are a splitpushing bruiser against a team with Vayne, Akali or Shaco you absolutely need upgraded red trinket.

StealWolverineMar 29, 201512 votes

or...... you could ward their approach and know when to GTFO.

which would also better let you team know and be able to capitalize on you pulling them to the lane you are pushing,

BluePolarizerMar 29, 20151 votes

that is true. sometimes you can't ward all the approaches, and they'll take an unorthodox approach. i mean, if you had red trinket, you could kill them directly and keep pushing, rather than have to back.

Silents429Mar 29, 20155 votes

Or I could murder them. Yorick

Marinaras TrenchMar 29, 20152 votes

then dig there Graves #overusedpunisoverused

JofeyyMar 29, 20151 votes

What makes me mad is that people in low plat/high gold/silver elo dont upgrade trinkets. EVER. DAFUQ MAN.

Faith BreakerMar 29, 20151 votes

I thought they were useful, when did they become broken?

HawkefireMar 29, 20152 votes

Always having 3 wards down (unless someone is actively sweeping them) provides a very significant amount of power, regardless of what champion you are.

Take top lane (arguably the lane that uses this to the best degree since that lane is usually filled with the splitters), you can ward nearly every avenue of approach that the enemy can take to get to you, thus ensuring that you are fairly safe while splitting because you can easily disengage whenever you wish.

The only direction that you wouldn't be able to ward would be the river itself (as in they come in from mid lane, straight up the river, and in behind you), however you can use the scuttlecrab for part of the time to mitigate this weakness, and if you have a smart teammate on the team then you will have that avenue easily warded as well.

That lil trinket provides some pretty significant map control, most people just don't really understand the tactical and strategic value that vision provides.

Faith BreakerMar 29, 20152 votes

How is it broken when every single champ has access to this? It's not broken It's useful.

HawkefireMar 29, 20151 votes

It simply provides too much power for too little of a cost. The trinket doesn't require any real investment and is incredibly easy to get.

If it actually had a noticeable cost for the power it provides, then I would actually be fine with it, but as it stands now, it is (imho) too strong.

Faith BreakerMar 30, 20151 votes

You're talking mechanically and not with an in game mind set. I understand what you mean now. From a design and thematic stand point, it should cost more or have a slower refresh rate. Riot made it this way to encourage people who didn't use Trinkets to use them. While the people that already used them before, are abusing them now. Got ya.

HawkefireMar 30, 20151 votes

You are actually partially misunderstanding my point. My point was is vision costs significantly less than it should cost right now, because everyone has access to what is essentially a 250 gold sightstone (and I would argue that it is stronger than a sightstone because you don't need to take trips back to base to refill it).

It used to be that in order to get the amount of vision coverage that the current upgraded trinket provides that you would have to start investing into additional wards in the shop (the cost of which would gradually add up), and also required you to make trips back to the shop in order to get more wards (thus costing the much more valuable resource of time).

HawkefireMar 29, 20151 votes

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how broken? it's stronger then a sightstone..

It can provide 3 full in just 1 minute because it holds 2 charges and restores 1 every minute, which also means you never have to back to recharge it like you do a sightstone.

hmm what else, it doesn't take up an item slot, and it only costs 250g, 550g less then a sightstone.

yes you can buy a blue or red trinket with a sightstone but bleh to that when you have all I mentioned above instead.

recognize this before it's nerfed plz.

Correction: Recognize it so that it can get nerfed.

Honestly, it is downright overpowered as it currently is right now, and I am REALLY surprised people aren't abusing it while using champions that are strong at dueling / catching out lone targets (IE Zed), splitpushing (IE Singed, Nasus), Counterjungling (IE Udyr).

It is actually pretty insane the amount of power it gives, and it really shouldn't give that much power for such a cheap and easy cost (and it doesn't even take up an item slot!)

NewOnyxMar 29, 20151 votes

boyo you dont even understand, i played a nasus game about two hours ago vs a amumu. I bought it placed it at the blue sides bush, from leaving gromp to they're lane the river bush, and my red bush nooo one can gank me without knowing and i dont over extend as nasus so its a free lane

I never worry cause i know places people love to go in during ganking so i ward that slap on dat item 3111 with dat summoner 6 get a little map awareness like u see they're whole team gone and they are not dead dont just stand there -_-. hey man aslong as half of this community are mindless zombies watching lsc players get blue and dont upgrade they're wards, better for us people tbh im almost always the person to have it on my team whilst everyone else does not. Check my history, keep in mind sometimes you team is too far behind to be able to waste money on it. I say waste here because after buying an really expensive item you most likely have less than 200g.. ](http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/227709766)

PaperAxeMar 31, 20151 votes

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Correction: Recognize it so that it can get nerfed.

Honestly, it is downright overpowered as it currently is right now, and I am REALLY surprised people aren't abusing it while using champions that are strong at dueling / catching out lone targets (IE Zed), splitpushing (IE Singed, Nasus), Counterjungling (IE Udyr).

It is actually pretty insane the amount of power it gives, and it really shouldn't give that much power for such a cheap and easy cost (and it doesn't even take up an item slot!)

who builds ie singed :O

DeadlyQuestionMar 29, 20151 votes

And yet, my games aren't frequently plagued without vision, even when all 5 champions have the upgraded trinket and the supp has a sight stone (yes, I have noticed, to my surprised, supps not using scanner after their sightstone).

Does it have the potential to be OP? Maybe. But it isn't that helpful when they aren't bought, even when they're only 250g, or bought and never used.

50CrazyOwnzMar 29, 20151 votes

i agree its op and i said that even before it became 3 stacks before that 3 stacks thing you couldve have 2 wards on the map constantly now with this item.... damn. 3 wards on map and having 2 in your trinket slot pls how op do you need it to be.

PiantissimoMar 29, 20151 votes

it depends though doesn't it. if you're trying to make picks denying vision is more important than having it so as a jungler and on assassin mids red trinket is more important. if you are looking to teamfight or splitpush then having vision is more important, so you see top laners get them.

but it is really strong having upgraded yellow trinket since you can setup vision in places as a solo laner that you wouldn't be able to do otherwise and supports are always garbage at setting up vision, they just drop wards in random places rather than around something they want to take

BiffoloMar 29, 20151 votes

It's balance comes from the requirement of having red trinkets. You need to deny vision just as much as you need to have it down, meaning on supports and sometimes junglers, it is good to get a sightstone so you can ALSO sweep wards.

RikariMar 29, 20151 votes

I've built it every game since i got back and would downvote you since an increase in popularity will get it reverted

iainB85Mar 29, 20151 votes

I think it's partly because the upgrade was so bad for so long that people forgot about it.

DrukyulMar 29, 20151 votes

I don't think ranged supports should be getting red trinket anymore when they can save an item slot with yellow trinket. Let the two tankiest members of your team get red trinkets since they should be the ones on the frontline clearing wards, not Sona. Tanky supports get more EHP from Sightstone than ranged supports, too.

GaleWinUnleashedMar 29, 20151 votes

With all the gold you can save buying the trinket, you can just buy pink wards for the entire game and be able to clear wards just fine.

I play support with both Sightstone and upgraded trinket. WARDS EVERYWHERE!

AuryielMar 29, 20151 votes

Only trinket that's balanced is the blue one

The others are all OP to varying degrees

junglerboy16Mar 29, 20151 votes

Oh, I know exactly how good they are, but I forget them just like how I forgot to get trinket at the beginning of last season. Give it a month or two and I bet people will remember it almost every game.

WutsKrakenMar 29, 20151 votes

Really? I thought it was just close to equal of a sightstone and I'd just buy a red trinket after time

QueenAquaMar 29, 20151 votes

Shhhh. Don't tell Riot. They'll nerf them.

theflashkingMar 30, 20151 votes

Upgraded stealth totems are kinda OP

OwlMechanicMar 30, 20151 votes

Definitely agree, I've had some success just asking the team at start "Everyone try to get trinks upgraded by level 12 -(giving lee way)- Lets not be noobs about vision nao"

To which one totally reasonable response was "Okay if you remind us"... everyone did it on their next back when I mentioned "please upgrade trinks when you're able"

Weird how that works, seems like ranked wins can be divided win/loss based solely on which team had more upgraded trinks at gold elo and below.

DyviusMar 30, 20151 votes

I have realized this. Unless I'm support/jungle and go for the Red Trinket, I'm getting upgraded yellow trinket so I get my 250 G cost back really quick and never have to buy wards, leaving me plenty of money to get to full build.