I'm flabergast people don't realize how broken upgraded stealth totems are..

Valhalla Rising·3/29/2015, 3:07:13 AM·44 votes·4,382 views

how broken? it's stronger then a sightstone..

It can provide 3 full in just 1 minute because it holds 2 charges and restores 1 every minute, which also means you never have to back to recharge it like you do a sightstone.

hmm what else, it doesn't take up an item slot, and it only costs 250g, 550g less then a sightstone.

yes you can buy a blue or red trinket with a sightstone but bleh to that when you have all I mentioned above instead.

recognize this before it's nerfed plz.

50 Comments

Kivolan3/29/2015, 3:52:14 AM6 votes

In the ideal situation, each member of your team would always have a pink down on the map.

Three people would have upgraded Stealth Totems, other two would have the red.

Currently, though, one person (usually support) gets the red and I'm the only one with an upgraded totem. :D

ThePlasticSpork3/29/2015, 5:55:17 PM4 votes

It's not necessarily overpowered, because everybody has the option to access it easily. It's disproportionately strong given its cost, but so are wards in general.

Given how methods of vision denial are just as easily accessible (the enemy team can have up to 5 pinks and most teams will have 2 sweepers), it's honestly fine in its current state.

Smitty Manjensen3/29/2015, 9:08:20 AM3 votes

I buy it every game where I am able, it's really good, probably even op

NewOnyx3/29/2015, 4:45:07 PM3 votes

tbh can we keep this on the low... also please say nothing about upgraded sweepin lens..

Pikmints3/29/2015, 6:26:05 PM2 votes

There are a few things that upset me in this game consistently, one of which being a team that upgrades their stealth totem to drop a vision ward instead of the 2 normal wards when the enemy team has no stealth.

ArticFever3/29/2015, 4:08:25 PM2 votes

Or we could buff the red and blue trinket to have charges to balance it out instead of a direct nerf.

TenSlashTen3/29/2015, 1:59:59 PM2 votes

or you could buy blue trinket and have infinite chances to land globals. Or you could buy red and deal with any stealth/wards in your jungle/river...

50CrazyOwnz3/29/2015, 3:29:12 PM1 votes

i agree its op and i said that even before it became 3 stacks before that 3 stacks thing you couldve have 2 wards on the map constantly now with this item.... damn. 3 wards on map and having 2 in your trinket slot pls how op do you need it to be.

Piantissimo3/29/2015, 3:54:07 PM1 votes

it depends though doesn't it. if you're trying to make picks denying vision is more important than having it so as a jungler and on assassin mids red trinket is more important. if you are looking to teamfight or splitpush then having vision is more important, so you see top laners get them.

but it is really strong having upgraded yellow trinket since you can setup vision in places as a solo laner that you wouldn't be able to do otherwise and supports are always garbage at setting up vision, they just drop wards in random places rather than around something they want to take

Biffolo3/29/2015, 4:37:56 PM1 votes

It's balance comes from the requirement of having red trinkets. You need to deny vision just as much as you need to have it down, meaning on supports and sometimes junglers, it is good to get a sightstone so you can ALSO sweep wards.

Rikari3/29/2015, 6:30:32 PM1 votes

I've built it every game since i got back and would downvote you since an increase in popularity will get it reverted

iainB853/29/2015, 7:26:45 PM1 votes

I think it's partly because the upgrade was so bad for so long that people forgot about it.

Drukyul3/29/2015, 8:08:31 PM1 votes

I don't think ranged supports should be getting red trinket anymore when they can save an item slot with yellow trinket. Let the two tankiest members of your team get red trinkets since they should be the ones on the frontline clearing wards, not Sona. Tanky supports get more EHP from Sightstone than ranged supports, too.

GaleWinUnleashed3/29/2015, 8:09:37 PM1 votes

With all the gold you can save buying the trinket, you can just buy pink wards for the entire game and be able to clear wards just fine.

I play support with both Sightstone and upgraded trinket. WARDS EVERYWHERE!

Auryiel3/29/2015, 9:06:41 PM1 votes

Only trinket that's balanced is the blue one

The others are all OP to varying degrees

junglerboy163/29/2015, 9:38:16 PM1 votes

Oh, I know exactly how good they are, but I forget them just like how I forgot to get trinket at the beginning of last season. Give it a month or two and I bet people will remember it almost every game.

WutsKraken3/29/2015, 11:25:46 PM1 votes

Really? I thought it was just close to equal of a sightstone and I'd just buy a red trinket after time

QueenAqua3/29/2015, 11:54:44 PM1 votes

Shhhh. Don't tell Riot. They'll nerf them.

theflashking3/30/2015, 1:11:04 AM1 votes

Upgraded stealth totems are kinda OP

OwlMechanic3/30/2015, 2:08:35 AM1 votes

Definitely agree, I've had some success just asking the team at start "Everyone try to get trinks upgraded by level 12 -(giving lee way)- Lets not be noobs about vision nao"

To which one totally reasonable response was "Okay if you remind us"... everyone did it on their next back when I mentioned "please upgrade trinks when you're able"

Weird how that works, seems like ranked wins can be divided win/loss based solely on which team had more upgraded trinks at gold elo and below.

ccseancc1433/29/2015, 3:48:53 AM1 votes

Red Trinket is better

Dyvius3/30/2015, 4:37:37 AM1 votes

I have realized this. Unless I'm support/jungle and go for the Red Trinket, I'm getting upgraded yellow trinket so I get my 250 G cost back really quick and never have to buy wards, leaving me plenty of money to get to full build.

Battlecast Valor3/29/2015, 4:34:58 AM1 votes

I've won a couple of ranked games because I told everyone on my team to upgrade their trinkets and they did. We ended up getting complete vision control of the map, knowing where the enemy team was at all times, and winning.

BluePolarizer3/29/2015, 5:39:53 AM1 votes

If you are a splitpushing bruiser against a team with Vayne, Akali or Shaco you absolutely need upgraded red trinket.

Jofeyy3/29/2015, 6:56:47 AM1 votes

What makes me mad is that people in low plat/high gold/silver elo dont upgrade trinkets. EVER. DAFUQ MAN.

Faith Breaker3/29/2015, 7:48:52 AM1 votes

I thought they were useful, when did they become broken?

Hawkefire3/29/2015, 7:56:10 AM1 votes

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how broken? it's stronger then a sightstone..

It can provide 3 full in just 1 minute because it holds 2 charges and restores 1 every minute, which also means you never have to back to recharge it like you do a sightstone.

hmm what else, it doesn't take up an item slot, and it only costs 250g, 550g less then a sightstone.

yes you can buy a blue or red trinket with a sightstone but bleh to that when you have all I mentioned above instead.

recognize this before it's nerfed plz.

Correction: Recognize it so that it can get nerfed.

Honestly, it is downright overpowered as it currently is right now, and I am REALLY surprised people aren't abusing it while using champions that are strong at dueling / catching out lone targets (IE Zed), splitpushing (IE Singed, Nasus), Counterjungling (IE Udyr).

It is actually pretty insane the amount of power it gives, and it really shouldn't give that much power for such a cheap and easy cost (and it doesn't even take up an item slot!)

DeadlyQuestion3/29/2015, 9:30:05 AM1 votes

And yet, my games aren't frequently plagued without vision, even when all 5 champions have the upgraded trinket and the supp has a sight stone (yes, I have noticed, to my surprised, supps not using scanner after their sightstone).

Does it have the potential to be OP? Maybe. But it isn't that helpful when they aren't bought, even when they're only 250g, or bought and never used.