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Pantheon

The Ecdysiast··2 votes·655 views

Do we just not play him any more? When they made the dragon's basics not count for the block, he had no way of doing that early. (Unlike champs with insane sustain, who can do it at level 2 and win any trade)

Is he supposed to be an early gank jungler? Or just not go jungle any more?

17 Comments

Merxamers3 votes

He's still a strong jungler, just outshined a bit by the devourer hypercarries. He's an excellent duelist and early ganker, has a great bot lane gank tool once he hits level 6, and if you build a couple tank items he stays relevant throughout the whole game.

He counters Lee Sin jungle at every stage of the game, and crushes assassins. There just happen to be other junglers who are more FotM right now (if you pick him against Shyvana, you're going to have a bad time)

The Ecdysiast1 votes

Well, here's the list of issues about your comment:

  1. No gank tool is "great" if you have to wait until level 6 to use it, and can't take dragon alone before that point in the game like Warwick can.
  2. Countering just Lee sin isn't much, and considering most assassins now buy Sated, and he doesn't block that second strike at the same time as the first, he falls off even harder than he used to late-game. He may be there to take some kills late-game, with his crits and survive long enough to do so with defenses, but he's not good as far as being a fighter goes. His kit's a burst, with the only sustained element being the passive.
Merxamers2 votes
  1. So no ult is a strong gank tool?
  2. I didn't say he 'just' counters Lee Sin, as i give other examples as well. You seem to enjoy twisting my words for some reason
  3. I state IN MY COMMENT that he's outshined by devourer hypercarries.

Good lord. Please read the comment before you reply to it. I also find it odd that you ask for input about Pantheon, and yet when it's given it's clear you've already made up your mind.

The Ecdysiast1 votes
  1. No. No ultimate is not a strong gank tool. What I mean is strong gank tools are abilities that you have by level 3 that allow you to gank, which Warwick, Pantheon, Akali, and Diana all lack.
  2. Lee Sin is the only champion you mentioned at all in your comment, aside from saying Pantheon gets stomped by Shyvana.
  3. Yeah. And the devourer hypercarries can be both the assassins and the fighters.
Merxamers3 votes

he has a point-click gap-closing stun! He's one of the best early gankers! Are you confusing him with another champion?

TotN Titan1 votes

This. Pantheon by level 3 can gank any lane with his point and click lunge. I'm beginning to wonder if you have played Pantheon.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

The fault lies in the fact his gap-closer and stun are the same move, unlike Jax who can do the same thing in an Aoe and jump to allies. I'm just saying that the last time I saw a Pantheon jungle was before they made Dragon's basic a spell. Even when warrior's was a problem, it was champions with multiple CC abilities and dashes that don't need an enemy target that were dominating. Now, he can't make use of Sated Devourer. There are much better options than him, and even Elise has him beat with early ganks, with her % damage and the fact she has two gap-closers and a root.

TotN Titan1 votes

Pantheon is an early/mid game jungler than needs to make his presence felt from the start. He clears the jungle extremely efficiently, keeps his health high with his block passive, and can do a 3 camp start to a lane gank as well as anyone, namely because of his stun. His presence at level 6 can be felt mapwide. Even if he shows top, the enemy team can't secure a dragon without worrying about a man-drop in the middle of their objective fight.

He is viable and strong, but he does not stay strong into the late game and there are plenty of other junglers that work better into the later stages (namely Sated junglers and the likes of Gragas or Elise). His playtime in League is lessened because of better choices in the jungle, but it doesn't mean that a good fed Pantheon can't still completely destroy a game.

GundayMonday3 votes

I just learned him out of the jungle. He's still good. He's a strong early game ganking jungler that then builds off tank or full tank as the game progresses. You can stay full health with your first clear if you juggle your passive and krug stun well. He has the highest base movement speed in the game (tied with Yi), a point and click gap-closing stun, and a lot of damage with guaranteed crit below 15% max health. He falls off mid-late game damage wise, but your goal is to win insanely hard early-mid game and set your lanes up for success. His ultimate is amazing too. You can gank mid lane, and then counter gank with your ult wherever the enemy jungler shows. There are only a few other junglers that can make that work effectively! Hope that helps.

Ralanr1 votes

Any item tips? I'm playing him in the jungle and I just can't seem to get some good ganks. I'm still learning the jungle and I love Pantheon but I'm having some difficulty with him.

GundayMonday1 votes

Items -> item 3723 (for mana) or item 3707 (for scarier ganks), then item 3117 (you are now guaranteed to land your stun), then item 3071. This plus your jungle item puts you at 30% cdr. I take 10% in runes and masteries. Now you have full cdr ~15-20 mins, and a ton of health. Next you want to build tanky depending on who's the most fed on the other team. Stuff like item 3082 item 3143 item 3742 item 3102 . Your passive makes it so you won't be taking a lot of damage from auto attacks, so one armor item is good for fighting, and a item 3102 or item 3512 is good for mr.

Ganks -> You have a ton of damage once you hit level 3 (Free crits when they're lower than 15% max hp), and can tower dive and tank two tower hits for free if you juggle your passive correctly. You're looking for an enemy that is < half health, or a lane where your lane partner has a lot of crowd control or damage. You want to use your movement speed and come from behind. Easy initiation is summoner 4 + W if you have the damage or crowd control to chain together. Play a few coop vs ai games and practice tower diving the bots to get the hang of the early aggression.

KimchiFryRiceGG2 votes

I've seen him quite a bit lately top, haven't seen him JG at all.

Zonkman1 votes

he has point and click cc early ganks are super easy and if you snowball hard your a bitch to kill

The Ecdysiast1 votes

So despite the fact he was designed as a fighter/assassin, the only viable way to build him is tank?

Zonkman1 votes

after damage items since his damage falls of a bit late game yeah

Hullabaloo9071 votes

i think its becauseitem 3714 sucks.

AyRe CoNteMpT1 votes

hes just bad and the way he plays out the game is very much useless

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