Please Add Black Market Brawlers to the Rotation

The Ecdysiast·Apr 22, 2016·273 votes·5,229 views

Title. It's horrible that they'd go with the less fun modes like Ascension or Poro King, but leave out the best featured game mode they've ever had.

Edit: Okay, so BMB being the best is just my opinion. But if you liked it as much as the others, or more than any of the others then please upvote so they add it. I'm not asking that they remove one of the other ones, just that they add back this game mode that they worked so hard to make.

Side note: While they're at it; why not Nemesis Draft, too? Taric won't be permaban any more.

And not only is this for the people who liked the mode, but for the newer players who didn't know the old Gangplank and never got to be Shaco with Trickster's Glass.

97 Comments

redniwediSApr 22, 201658 votes

I actually really like Ascension...

Poro King should be removed though. Ever since snowball was actually added to ARAM Poro King really hasn't had anything that interesting to offer.

The EcdysiastApr 22, 20165 votes

I absolutely agree with that comment about Poro King.

I didn't know exactly what to say as to the reason, but thank you for reminding me that they already added the good part of PK to the normal ARAM.

kagepaladinApr 22, 20164 votes

i liked ascensions to, always wondered why people had such a dislike for it.

Velzard of KozApr 22, 20166 votes

Poro King and ARAM have many differences.

Snowball in ARAM is much shorter. This one keeps its old range. Snowballs in ARAM don't count while there you can summon poroking and have very important quickdive which really makes the difference. Finally, it's ban 'n pick instead of random. So I disagree it doesn't have anything that interesting to offer. It still does.

However, I would agree it shouldn't be part of RotoQ. It seemed to me like Winter-exclusive event. I'd rather wlecome Butcher's Bridge "simple map skin" (despite also being Bilgwater-event-exclusive).

ahferroin7Apr 23, 20161 votes

The things that poro king has that are interesting are:

No clarity, no heal, no other summoner spells. This actually significantly impacts optimal strategies for a number of champs
Draft instead of all random (I would love to just have a regular draft mode on Howling Abyss though).

redniwediSApr 23, 20161 votes

I wouldn't really call those things interesting... It's at least not enough to convince me to play it over another game mode, like normals.

The Yetii RiderApr 23, 20161 votes

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I actually really like Ascension...

Poro King should be removed though. Ever since snowball was actually added to ARAM Poro King really hasn't had anything that interesting to offer.

The major difference between ARAM and Poro King is that you get to pick your champion. It lets you play a super aggressive team fight game and skip the lane phase with your favorite champion.

ChaosThiefApr 22, 201615 votes

I have one simple request for this then: can we, for the love of god, have the pirate-y music and gangplank announcer for it this time? That's honestly what made it feel interesting when I played it on PBE.

And maybe, just maybe, we can add more items into the black market... this is a perfect opportunity to test item concepts, riot!

I was LupxelApr 22, 201612 votes

You already have BMB in normal mode: literally Deadsman plate and snowballing minions

The EcdysiastApr 22, 201614 votes

It's kinda pathetic people upvoted your comment without knowing about BMB. There were 12 other items and 3 different minion types.

Deadman's plate just happened to be the only additional armor item that wasn't fun enough, but was balanced enough, to make it to the normal mode.

If you want to complain any of the modes is too similar to one we have all the time., why not Poro king? The Snowball was the only thing genuinely good about the mode, and they already put that in ARAM.

Velzard of KozApr 22, 20168 votes

It's pathetic you said the last thing without knowing about Poroking/ARAM. There are other differences you obviously ignored. Range of the snowball is longer, hits count, quick-dive over whole map, non-random picks. But it looks like you are just a little biased about it.

And I do know enough about BMB and I upvoted him because I looked upon it as joke about current state of game and laughed a little. Torture me for it.

On the side note, I'd welcome BMB, too. Not that I'd play it much but it has enough to offer. Just don't see a reason why exclude other modes as too similar to what we have while also being wrong about it.

Blue Moon WolfApr 22, 20168 votes

It needs to be added. It was the one mode that actually felt like an entirely different mode (aside from ascension and maybe doom bots) instead of just an expanded version of a different mode. It added a whole new mechanic of "picking the best minions for the battle" for a new level of control to the battle. On top of that, the items added were amazingly fun and they could even take items that were added to the main game then nerfed for balance ( item 3742 and possibly lost chapter since it looks like they changed it for the mage update) and add "black market versions" that costs more, but have the items original stats and (in lost chapters case) can build into upgraded blackmarket items (Netherstride Grimoire and Rite of Ruin ), leaving the ingame version as a cheaper, "legal" option.

The EcdysiastApr 22, 20163 votes

I agree entirely.

kile147Apr 22, 20165 votes

I feel like it would be better if instead of putting it in the normal queue they just made it an occasional event where they tested out new items. The fact that we got both Dead Man's Plate and Lost Chapter from the mode means it's a fun and useful way to test the balance of new items. People always say that the PBE isn't good for figuring balance, well why not use live servers then?

Hullabaloo907Apr 22, 20164 votes

While I prefer ascension and hexakill, bmb is a lot better than urf and poro king

The EcdysiastApr 22, 20164 votes

I wish Hexakill had been on the SR map. And Ascension just feels sad to play now that Dominion is gone.

Velzard of KozApr 22, 20163 votes

Here you go, complaining how PoroKing is similar to ARAM while also wanting Hexakill to be demoted into "one more player". What exactly do you want? I'd use the same argument you use that way and say there's little difference between hexakill and normal game. No. Part of Hexakill's uniqueness should be it is on smaller map, and TT would need that little attention.

The EcdysiastApr 22, 20161 votes

One more player on the map that people know how to play and know the items for, without the massive difference in which characters are strong sure beats the 3's players stomping everyone who doesn't play the map or know which champs are good for it.

Hexakill takes away any fun from actually getting a Hexakill by putting it a situation where everything is a teamfight.

Velzard of KozApr 23, 20161 votes

Hexakill takes away any fun from actually getting a Hexakill by putting it a situation where everything is a teamfight.

It's supposed to be fun mode, not meta-mode (as for picking items for the map). Honestly I don't play TT and I built champs the same way as I did on SR when Hexa was out last time. I'm trying to win, take it seriously, would be plased by hexa but it's not ranked to make hard-core strategy.

The point of hexakill is the possibility of getting a hexakill. Teamfights and, however boring and disgusting, champs like Katapentarina, are part of it. You won't believe but some even doesn't play it to get hexa but to ensure one using hard CC in smaller area. All of these would be taken away in SR where there is less romaing potential (bigger map). Also, I think RotoQ should bring as much differences as possible. Using different maps (bringing back Domonionish, attracting to HA and TT) helps it more than sticking it into SR.

420TemplarApr 22, 20164 votes

But League is already BMB. If you're ahead you shitstomp the enemy and there's almost nothing you can do to stop it.

The EcdysiastApr 22, 20165 votes

Every mode is like that, since this is an item-based game.

sir d wreckApr 22, 20164 votes

And Doombots... please Riot why is Doombots left to rot. :(

Cheese PopeApr 23, 20161 votes

I don't even know if they're going to put it in, but if they are it's going to take a while. Doombots is hands down THE most difficult gamemode to make here.

MazariamontiApr 22, 20164 votes

I'd say the worst one to be on the list was hexakill twisted treeline, I swear nothing has ever made me hate the game more than dealing with that nonsense.

SpiritGearApr 24, 20161 votes

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I'd say the worst one to be on the list was hexakill twisted treeline, I swear nothing has ever made me hate the game more than dealing with that nonsense.

Yup 2 lanes , 6 people, 10 minions and no supports.

FastAsHeckApr 22, 20163 votes

Yeah I wasn't here for the original BMB and I'd like to try it

Cheese PopeApr 23, 20162 votes

People hated it because they compared it to crazy gamemodes that made the game completely different in every way shape and form. It's a pretty cool gamemode.

TurquoiseYoshiApr 22, 20162 votes

Nemesis Draft, yes. That should be here. Poro King's removal, yes. Replace it with Snowdown Showdown because that mode is so much less unbalanced.

But BMB does not need to come back. It honestly wasn't that fun. Let's go over what it was.

It gave you the ability to make minions that your team almost never interacts with, but make it hellish for enemies to waveclear or try to come back. Plus it made 4v5s completely impossible, instead of the very difficult that we have today. Still salty about that one.

It made a bunch of OP new items that pretty much shafted ADCs and paid glorious tribute to mages and supports. Seriously, ADCs got one item that gave them a little bit of escape and a shitty spin-off of Runaan's Hurricane. You know that when the item that is one of the weakest of the bunch gets added to SR and becomes a massive balance problem for months, there's a problem.

And the last, and probably the worst, it feels the same as SR. If you don't look at the minions and play a fighter or AD assassin or marksman or sometimes even a tank, you're not going to notice anything different. Every other game mode makes the game feel different from SR. Ascension is very zone control-based with Xerath to spice it up a little. URF is super fast-paced, very noticeably so. Hexakill gives you an extra guy, which is a huge change. One For All gives everyone the same champion, which is, once again, very noticeable. BMB just didn't feel any more fun and created more problems than things it was good for.

The EcdysiastApr 22, 20161 votes

You're completely ignoring the huge ADC changes that happened between BMB and now, as well as the Rift changes that made the normal mode just as hard to make comebacks in anyway.

TurquoiseYoshiApr 22, 20162 votes

It's not like those changes really do anything. The mode will still be too snowbally and the mode will still mean nothing but harder waveclear for every AD champ.

The EcdysiastApr 22, 20161 votes

Are you going to provide some sort of argument or just keep repeating, "it'll be hard for AD champs because it'll be hard for AD champs"?

Did you even play the mode? There were two incredibly strong AD items.

ChaoticPineconeApr 23, 20162 votes

One was melee only.

WeFlyNoLieApr 22, 20162 votes

Out of all of them I thoroughly enjoyed Ascension when it first came out and was happy to see it back.

Unfortunately I only got to play a game or two of Black Market Brawlers, so I do agree, I think it should come back so those who did not get to experience it the first time can experience it now.

Project RivenApr 23, 20162 votes

Fuck rotations. Keep these game modes live permanently please.

sp441Apr 22, 20161 votes

The only thing that I liked in that gamemode was the Items.

The EcdysiastApr 22, 20162 votes

That was the important part.

MAestRIOApr 23, 20161 votes

I really hated the extra minions though. In my experience they took away a lot of the fun due to it actually automatically turning more into a pushing game. I guess the items were fun and original, but I didn't like the gamemode due to the other part.

sp441Apr 23, 20161 votes

Just add the items to regular summoner's rift. Specially the support items.

NαgmaApr 23, 20161 votes

its just like SR with a different shop wow

po555Apr 23, 20163 votes

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its just like SR with a different shop wow

People to their own opinion but soe people dont like legend of the poro king really, ad the modified shop has many great items, in my opinion and the brawlers make it so many spams can be made and many funny moments can be seen like the tanks being spammed

AninLegions777Apr 23, 20161 votes

Mate, stopped reading at:

It's horrible that they'd go with the less fun modes like Ascension

How can you call the best featured game mode, "Less Fun"? I mean what does BMB bring to the table? New minions. New items. gg. Yawn

Ascension brings allows you enjoy a map that no longer exists. It brings a totally different mode of winning (instead of push towers and kill Nexus), imo, it's the least toxic gamemode because everyone isn't scrambling for that FOTM champ. It also contains a buff that makes you HUGE......and buff. ;) Almost forgot to mention that no one cares how many times you die, so long as you capture objectives.

TL:DR: Ascension is awesome and brings a package totally different from the norm. Thanks for reading. Praise the Ascendant! Azir

The EcdysiastApr 24, 20161 votes

Mate, I stopped reading at:

call the best featured game mode, "horrible"

I didn't call any game mode horrible. Re-read that a few times until you can figure out which word "horrible" is modifying.

AninLegions777Apr 24, 20161 votes

MB, mean to put Less fun. Fixed.

SilverthaneApr 24, 20161 votes

lol shut up. BMB wasnt the best.

AMYS GRAVEApr 24, 20161 votes

i miss nemisis draft

barbarianskullApr 24, 20161 votes

I want nemesis

CavemanteroApr 24, 20161 votes

Bump. I loved BMB more than SR...way more.

Frosty HoodooApr 24, 20161 votes

They should definitely add BMB to the list. I was honestly surprised they didn't seeing as how people liked BMB.

The DoomstickApr 25, 20161 votes

Gentlemen..

Return of the Doom Bots.

Discuss. (This is not related to my tag in any way shape or form, I am just known as the Doomstick around the nets.. or InsanityReborn and that didn't fit.)