How can I win without using broken champs?

Niyumi·Sep 14, 2015·2 votes·790 views

TL;DR, the title.

As for the long version... I enjoy playing champs that are more mechanically complex. Ones who don't just click people to death or spam one button into infinity, champs with interesting abilities that are just "push button to do damage" or something like that, and so on -- But, it seems like my enjoyment of harder champs is the main thing holding me back from ever winning any games.

So, basically, how do I win a game with a harder champ against a braindead easy champ that for some reason instantly kills people?

Say I'm using Azir, and I'm against someone like Katarina, Teemo, Diana, etc. I can do everything in my power to poke them and kill them, but they would just take next to no damage, easily dodge all my abilities, and then proceed to click on me with targeted abilities / auto attacks and instantly melt my face off. Even if I don't die, I'm effectively barred from farming at all, because even being in my soldier AA range, they can easily get to me. If I'm not playing someone with super long range like Azir? Well, I can't even farm. If I go anywhere near my minions, I just instantaneously drop dead, even in the early game. Late game, I can't do anything, even on a tank, because I just instantly die to all the braindead easy champs.

How can I fight someone who out-bursts me, out-sustains me, out-pokes me and has no resource costs for the majority of their damage? : /

Now, when I play these easy champions, I do very well. On my first game with LB, I went 19/2 and absolutely destroyed everyone. On my first game with Yi, I went 14/5 and helped every lane win. On my first game with most of these easy champs, I just absolutely carried and won games... but I just didn't have fun; the more mechanically complex champs are fun for me, while the easier ones are just plain boring. Even though I won, it just didn't feel like I really did anything to deserve that win.

Is there any way I can compete without using the broken, boring champions? I'm just tired of losing ranked games (I've lost 9 series in a row), but I want to have fun while playing the game. I just don't know what to do anymore.

17 Comments

BluePolarizerSep 14, 20152 votes

So in the LCS, Azir is very good while Katarina is nowhere.

Seems to me the solution is to get better.

NiyumiSep 14, 20151 votes

In the LCS, people know that you can stun Kat's ult, which makes Kat kind of useless in teamfights. In the LCS, people are going to play champs that are overloaded with CC, because that's how you know you're good. If you don't have a super coordinated team that has 2+ CC per person, then Kat is incredibly strong.

Azir, however, requires a lot of mechanical skill, the ability to multi-task, and a lot of items. He isn't strong until late game, and even then, he's easy to kill without a coordinated team protecting him. In the LCS, people will guard their APC. In anything else, they won't.

That's why Azir is stronger in the LCS, but Kat has a far stronger kit with far more sustain and damage.

BluePolarizerSep 14, 20152 votes

so basically you agree with me that the solution is to get better.

Lord AzırSep 14, 20151 votes

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So in the LCS, Azir is very good while Katarina is nowhere.

Seems to me the solution is to get better.

With the removal of Azirs knock up, Katarina can easily jump to him and ult and he literately can do nothing about it if he doesn't have his ulti up. Go gank him and bait out the ulti and boom dead Azir.

BluePolarizerSep 14, 20151 votes

then why is Katarina not played in the LCS? Easy question, easy answer: against players of sufficient skill and coordination, Katarina isn't as good as Azir. Thus the solution to losing with Azir must be to get better.

Lord AzırSep 14, 20151 votes

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then why is Katarina not played in the LCS? Easy question, easy answer: against players of sufficient skill and coordination, Katarina isn't as good as Azir. Thus the solution to losing with Azir must be to get better.

I'm saying 1v1 katarina destroys azir in lane with his nerfs. I'm not talking about who is better in the LCS. Read what I posted.

AxxlonSep 14, 20151 votes

Add me. I have a feeling we might have some fun playing together. ;p

Miror BSep 14, 20151 votes

While many will say "get skilled" (to answer every question, including the easy ones like "where do babies come from" ), I say the true way to compete against them without getting better is to just play counter picks. For a while, I had a huuuge problem dealing with yasuo. Everytime someone played him, I'd die like 5 or 6 times a game just to him even if I wasn't in his lane. Then I started playing champions that worked well against him, and would use things that albeit ridiculous (mid lane shen and top lane karthus being some of my more "hilarious" examples) would do pretty well with minimal effort. I wouldn't say I've gotten any better at this game, but my ability to play counter-picks effectively allows my team to focus their attention to other lanes, making it less bad than it would be otherwise.

NiyumiSep 14, 20151 votes

See, I'm not trying to win without getting better. I just want to actually be competitive with the champs I enjoy playing, rather than play the overly simplistic champs that I would honestly call OP based on the amount of effort they don't put in. Playing someone like Yi, LB, Kat, etc., I can perform very well and not really have any issues, but if I play someone who requires a bit more thought/effort, and relies on skillshots, I just get annihilated because I can't keep up in damage -- granted that's not always the case, but the majority of the time it is.

So I'm not asking for the easy way out at all, I just want to know how to counterplay something you can't dodge or anything.

TehNACHOSep 14, 20151 votes

How do you lose lane against a Diana as Azir?

Anywho, the big answer is time. Lots and lots of time. You perform best on champions when you don't need to think about their abilities, you just act on them. Have you seen Faker's stutter stepping and often fluid dash/flash mechanics with most champs he plays with? It's a drilled response to him. It's natural to him. He's not wasting time and energy on his oftentimes very complex champion in the same way that braindead champions can get around easily. And the biggest factor to this, in my opinion, is that he spends the raw amount of time necessary that he knows the ins and outs of his champion without getting around that particular champ's difficulty.

I'm reading your post and it seems like your perception is that Azir is still a difficult champion for you despite you apparently liking Azir. May I assume you have less than, say, 50-80 games with Azir or so? Try just burning more time on normal games with Azir, get used to him on a level that you can play him with the same fluidity as, say, Master Yi. The key to mastering a difficult champion is simply having the muscle memory to make your difficult champion exceedingly simple.

NiyumiSep 14, 20151 votes

How did I lose? Well, once she knew my ult was down, I couldn't push her away after she used her ult on me. So she'd just all in me and blow me up before I could even react. Laning wasn't too bad, but I'd die pretty quickly if she ever landed a Q on me. xD

Yeah, I know practice makes perfect, but I don't really need to think much about Azir anymore. I guess I just play too passively. If I play Ekko, I do amazingly well if I'm all in their face (And it seems the same applies to all my champs), but do horribly if I hang back and play safe (I'm learning this as I go on. Apparently I play better offensively than passively). So maybe that has something to do with it. Mechanically I think I'm fine, I just need to learn to make better decisions and learn how to play against champs specifically, rather than generally.

And, on Azir, I probably have around 70-80 games. I have rank 5 and I feel comfortable playing him at this point -- I'm still experimenting with build paths though. :P

TouchpadExpertSep 14, 20151 votes

By not locking in a broken champ you have a shot at winning and can thus achieve your goal.

NiyumiSep 14, 20151 votes

Oh sure, I do win some games. :P I mean, in general. Like strategies to beat people with targeted abilities and all that.

RyzeReworkSep 14, 20151 votes

Play poppy get 6 items once you learn about her hard Laneing phase and then u get to late game (if you can!) And then 1v5

Rand0mH3r0XSep 14, 20151 votes

You can cancel Katarina's Ult by dashing you soldiers behind her and then dashing to them. Azir's Ult can also cancel Katarina's Ult and prevent her from teleporting through. You have to be able to meet the skill level requirement for outplaying champions.

Lord AzırSep 14, 20151 votes

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You can cancel Katarina's Ult by dashing you soldiers behind her and then dashing to them. Azir's Ult can also cancel Katarina's Ult and prevent her from teleporting through. You have to be able to meet the skill level requirement for outplaying champions.

No, he no longer knocks champions up. It doesn't not interrupt her ulti with his e anymore.

Rand0mH3r0XSep 14, 20151 votes

Hmph. That's lame. I'd still recommend weaving the spells together for the damage, shield, and knockback into friendly turret.