Nashors tooth on Azir is a great item and very very gold efficient.

Phife·Jan 20, 2015·2 votes·2,361 views

Try to argue with me.

60 ap. 20%cdr (+25% attack speed) 50% attack speed

All in all, a champion who solely based off auto attacks DOES benefit from attack speed, and in this case CDR as well. 60Ap is also among the greater benefits from the item. Your other choices for cdr / ap would be a morellonomicon which has just been nerfed into butthole.

So tell me bronzie forum-goers, why is nashors bad on azir? Nashors is already 117.74% gold effecient (WITHOUT ITS PASSIVE) is now 25% more efficient with azirs passive.

School me.

24 Comments

Yulen XoshxiusJan 20, 20152 votes

Just want to be clear: You are saying it is good on Azir even without the passive of applying AP on basic attacks? Just want to have that clarified directly.

PhifeJan 20, 20152 votes

yes.

izeKJan 20, 20152 votes

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PhifeJan 20, 20151 votes

i build rod first then nashors.

DarkwindJan 21, 20152 votes

not a horrible build. Mostly because roa is pretty awesome now that grail sucks. full build something like..? item 3020 item 3027 item 3115 item 3089 item 3157 item 3135

If it's something like that then by end game it's great, but your power points will come later in the game than with morello. you'll be giving up early strength (roa will take a while to be as strong as morello in AP and will never give you as much damage because of lack as CDR. HP is nice but not useful offensively). The first time you'll REALLY be strong with with roa+nashors, rather than being reasonably strong with just morello. Also, you're giving up a little late game ap- morello+rylai (or something) will give a little more ap than your build.

EDIT: Also it irritates me that people always post so aggressively when they propose stuff like this. Just make your argument logically, you dont have to attack me for no reason. I almost didn't reply because of that

PhifeJan 21, 20151 votes

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not a horrible build. Mostly because roa is pretty awesome now that grail sucks. full build something like..?

If it's something like that then by end game it's great, but your power points will come later in the game than with morello. you'll be giving up early strength (roa will take a while to be as strong as morello in AP and will never give you as much damage because of lack as CDR. HP is nice but not useful offensively). The first time you'll REALLY be strong with with roa+nashors, rather than being reasonably strong with just morello. Also, you're giving up a little late game ap- morello+rylai (or something) will give a little more ap than your build.

EDIT: Also it irritates me that people always post so aggressively when they propose stuff like this. Just make your argument logically, you dont have to attack me for no reason. I almost didn't reply because of that

everything except lucidity boots > sorcs.

I also dont care about overall AP if i dont have zhonyas / by a certain point. Rylai is useless with the aoe AA's... so why get it? health? i get that from roa.

DarkwindJan 21, 20151 votes

m, sorcs are probably a better choice. You can't overestimate how big a deal 15 flat pen is, and assuming you take 5% cdr masteries and get blue, you're wasting some of that cdr a decent bit of the time. but it's a toss up either way, cdr is definitely super strong on azir as well and not having to rely on blue to get near/at 40% has a good bit of value. i could see either choice

Either way, my other statements stand. I wasnt perfectly clear in that build regarding ap/rylai, what i mean was in this order: item 3165 item 3089 item 3157 item 3135 item 3116

by doing this build, you get more ap and the only real loss is a little bit of health (you do get the hp later).

But even if you do item 3165 item 3116 item 3089 item 3157 item 3135 , you'll get the zhonya at the same time as in your build. anyway, just pointing out that you have 2 items with sub-optimal AP as compared to only 1 with a morello based build

PhifeJan 21, 20151 votes

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m, sorcs are probably a better choice. You can't overestimate how big a deal 15 flat pen is, and assuming you take 5% cdr masteries and get blue, you're wasting some of that cdr a decent bit of the time. but it's a toss up either way, cdr is definitely super strong on azir as well and not having to rely on blue to get near/at 40% has a good bit of value. i could see either choice

Either way, my other statements stand. I wasnt perfectly clear in that build regarding ap/rylai, what i mean was in this order:

by doing this build, you get more ap and the only real loss is a little bit of health (you do get the hp later).

But even if you do , you'll get the zhonya at the same time as in your build. anyway, just pointing out that you have 2 items with sub-optimal AP as compared to only 1 with a morello based build

i just want to maximize the potential on azirs passive is all.. with morellos and sorcs you get 25% assuming u get 5% cdr masteries. you're missing out on 18.75% more AS... you dont need the flat mrpen if u have voidstaff.

DarkwindJan 21, 20153 votes

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you dont need the flat mrpen if u have voidstaff.

not remotely true. flat pen is always, ALWAYS strong. i refer you here: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_penetration take a look at the chart of magic pen a ways down the page. Flat magic pen is ALWAYS a significant addition to your dmg (regardless of their mr), and is super amazing strong against anyone with less than ~90 MR (most squishies will have this amount)

ZeroAnarchyJan 20, 20152 votes

You are saying it's gold effecient without it's passive, yet what about with its passive? It's still much better to go morello's because of the mana regen, RoA is not the greatest item to be getting on Azir. Actually what I've been seeing high elo players do is getting the Stinger only and actually just sitting on that and get other items first.

PhifeJan 20, 20151 votes

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You are saying it's gold effecient without it's passive, yet what about with its passive? It's still much better to go morello's because of the mana regen, RoA is not the greatest item to be getting on Azir. Actually what I've been seeing high elo players do is getting the Stinger only and actually just sitting on that and get other items first.

Morello isn't AS gold effiecent on azir because nashors gives as aswell as CDR + AP

ZeroAnarchyJan 20, 20151 votes

But it has a passive that doesn't benefit Azir at all which makes the item a huge bait. And not to mention Morello's is STILL cheaper than Nashors. It also gives mana regen which benefits Azir tremendously.

PhifeJan 20, 20151 votes

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But it has a passive that doesn't benefit Azir at all which makes the item a huge bait. And not to mention Morello's is STILL cheaper than Nashors. It also gives mana regen which benefits Azir tremendously.

azir benefits from auto attacks (atk speed), CDR and AP. Morellos gives 20 more ap and mana regen(which is useless late game.) why would i get that?

ZeroAnarchyJan 20, 20152 votes

Mana regen useless late game? Tell me that when you run oom in a major team fight. And the extra AP is actually very good, Azir's ratios are quite good.

PhifeJan 21, 20151 votes

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Mana regen useless late game? Tell me that when you run oom in a major team fight. And the extra AP is actually very good, Azir's ratios are quite good.

20 ap < 75% AS + 60 AP....

RoA gives me enough mana to last for A LONG TIME.

asktiksJan 20, 20152 votes

ill tell you why its a noob trap item

your enemy will NEVER remain in range of your soldiers AA for more than one or two AA , if they do you are playing with downright horrible players that cant understand the basic principle of don't stand on the fire

so all that attack speed? usless for the most part, id rather get the same CDR, some mana regen wich azir needs, and more ap to take advantage of his excellent ap ratios , than get one more AA in after I reposition soldiers, you want more ap so your Q with 3 soldiers out hit slike a truck, then one AA from each soldier instantly , your attack speed does not matter in that scenario , making the entire attack speed stat on the item pretty much wasted on practical game terms

unless your team is stacking slows, ap >cdr>AS is the stat priority , mana regen is pretty much a given for any mana user right now , u need to forget about seeing Azir as a champ "solely based of autoatacks" because in practice , that's where the least amount of his dps comes from if you think about it...excellent if you are laning with someone with long snares though, like swain or morgana , then you can get a few aa in if you guys are in sync

PhifeJan 21, 20151 votes

There is no point in getting morellos> nashors if the only difference is 20 ap. twenty ability power isn't going to make or break your build, but not having he correct amount of utility is.

asktiksJan 21, 20152 votes

/facepalm

good job ignoring the WHOLE point and focusing on 20 more ap...

the point was that , 90 percent of the time the attack speed stat is wasted since it does NOTHING to scale your shield, or your ult, or your Q damage

in practice NO ONE is going to stand still for you to get more than 2 autoatacks in, most times you just get one after Q , so again , attack speed is doing nothing for you on those cases

that's why its better getting morellos , not because "it has 20 more ap only"
it has 20 more ap, cd, mana regen all stats that you ALWAYS use no matter the situation

what utility nashors give you?
do you slow people? add a healing debuff to targets? reduces their armor?

no , nashors doesn't give you "utility" actually morellos does , combine it with lyandris and you got yourself a nice dot on every target you hit , THAT is adding utility, having more AAs in is not "utility"

you asked why it was a better choice, I explained it , cant do anything if you chose to ignore logic though build what you find fun , just don't expect people to agree with ya when even pros don't build it, ever., theres a reason for that

PhifeJan 21, 20151 votes

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/facepalm

good job ignoring the WHOLE point and focusing on 20 more ap...

the point was that , 90 percent of the time the attack speed stat is wasted since it does NOTHING to scale your shield, or your ult, or your Q damage

in practice NO ONE is going to stand still for you to get more than 2 autoatacks in, most times you just get one after Q , so again , attack speed is doing nothing for you on those cases

that's why its better getting morellos , not because "it has 20 more ap only"
it has 20 more ap, cd, mana regen all stats that you ALWAYS use no matter the situation

what utility nashors give you?
do you slow people? add a healing debuff to targets? reduces their armor?

no , nashors doesn't give you "utility" actually morellos does , combine it with lyandris and you got yourself a nice dot on every target you hit , THAT is adding utility, having more AAs in is not "utility"

you asked why it was a better choice, I explained it , cant do anything if you chose to ignore logic though build what you find fun , just don't expect people to agree with ya when even pros don't build it, ever., theres a reason for that

i wont get liandries and wont get morellonomicon either because i know how to play azir, and its not a matter of people wanting to sit on my W, its me having them forced to stay next to my w longer. like i said im not going to trade down 75% ap for 20 ap. no thanks.

And the greivous wounds applied on morellos isn't something you use to calculate utility. You sound like an ignorant person who watches someone stream and blindly follows. Im explaining to you that YOU CAN SACRIFICE 20 AP FOR MORE AS

PhifeJan 20, 20151 votes

where are all the azir pros?

BeatzBoyFTWJan 21, 20151 votes

W doesn't proc Nashor's passive.
Unlike an actual ADC, he has no sustain. Doubt you'll be staying to AA that long til you get your ass bursted by bs assassins.
Most Ap mainers prefers higher AP than having AA clarity, as in mid laners tend to build stuff that can burst down enemy champs as well, instead of having to purchase items that makes his attacks look pretty with such low power profit.

PhifeJan 21, 20151 votes

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W doesn't proc Nashor's passive.

Unlike an actual ADC, he has no sustain. Doubt you'll be staying to AA that long til you get your ass bursted by bs assassins.

Most Ap mainers prefers higher AP than having AA clarity, as in mid laners tend to build stuff that can burst down enemy champs as well, instead of having to purchase items that makes his attacks look pretty with such low power profit.

i end up with over 600 ap, 620 ap isnt going to make a difference in someone dying to my burst. Like i clearly stated, Azir doesn't need nashors passive for it to be good.

coppinslingerJan 21, 20151 votes

My current favorite build on Azir -

item 1076 x2 item 3165 Rush item 3020 2nd item item 3101 3rd item - leave as is and upgrade to Nashor's tooth last item.

If you take 5% CDR runes and 5% CDR masteries, this is probably the cheapest way to get max CDR (+ some much needed attack speed), while still getting a good amount of AP and magic pen. Probably the best mid-game power-spike build on Azir.

Inspired by Faker-senpai

DarkwindJan 23, 20151 votes

just tried out the build in a normal game: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/50523218 anyway, it was pretty fun, i think i would have snowballed more effectively with a different build. when ahead though, that build is super effective and quite safe. when behind it seems really risky.