Just played 3 fiora games in ranked at ~plat elo

She isn't buffed yet men the buff is coming next patch :P the current version you are playing/playing against is pre buff, she's going to be even stronger

Outrageous

Backing off to reset the passive is short enough that you don't miss Cs, and Fiora can't win trades without hitting her passive.

I'm not talking about escaping, because Fiora is good at sticking. Just don't get in range in the first place. Yi is worse, since he can close a large gap. Trynd can slow you from range. All Fiora has is close range sticking potential.

Trynd is just dumb, everyone agrees. You can win 1v1 against Fiora if you outplay her, and it's the same thing with Vayne. If you let them dance around you, they will win with true damage, no matter who you are. If you can outplay them, you win.

I can agree with the Riposte comment. That can be hard. Riposte has a difficult timing too though, so that's a mental mind game.

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I haven't decided if she's OP or not yet but I just want to argue for the sake of arguing (bouncing ideas, ya know?)

1. In lane it means losing CS/exp while backing off (or not being in range for 15 seconds) which leads to her cs advantage anyway. Considering she seems to scale so well, that's not a good thing to do either.

2. As a tank, easy to escape. As a squishy, that short moment of engage is all she needs for the glass cannon build. From personal experience, bruisers I see often build FM, so good luck in getting away from those.

3. Tryndamere syndrome. Broken or not, that would put her in the same spot as him.

4. If it was that easy to do, Sivir would be useless. You're predicting her and she is predicting you. Most people fire CC as soon as they're in range and it's off cd though, so it's quite easy to predict on her part, as well as certain predictable combos from some assassin type champs (if you're a Kayle main, this bit is ezpz).

5. Her ult gives her 4, and those are what count most of the time in an all-in. The lane poke one we already discussed in #1. Her movespeed and dash often makes it hard to avoid unless it's directly behind you.

6. Interesting point. I concede to that one. However, I also noted that some Fioras don't even need to finish the vitals to kill someone especially if they're glass cannon.

7. A melee sharing the same weakness of majority of the other melees out there, very surprising? However, a point to note is that they do have their strong points to compensate: If they DO manage to get to you, you're gonna take a lot more damage than you can actually give them. 1 wrong step is all it takes to lose an initial lead in a ranged vs melee.

1. the time is short enough that you don't need to lose cs, when playing fiora I often step back to reset unfavourable vitals (if you get close to other melee early they'll kill you)

2. most ranged autohits outrange her dash, as melee you can punish her for getting/staying close in lane. Out of lane it overlaps with 3) some champions are naturally good duelists. Contrary to tryndamere you can actually kill her/burst her down (dump everything at once and she'll w, be smart about it). It won't put her in the same spot as she has utility for teamfights, doesn't become unkillable and isn't as random (earlylane crits).

3. covered in 2)

4. Well, this is skillbased and mindgames, in teamfights you can usually bait out w and might need to throw a second cc, in a 1v1 it's compensated for by being fairly hard to time, both players have input and have a chance to fail. If you just fire cc whenever that's on you.

5. if she 1v1's then back off when she ults (not always easy to do, else she'd be useless). if she manages to hit all 4 vitals in a teamfight you were probably out of position or your team hates you.

6. not surprising, but still a weakness. If melee wouldn't have some sort of advantage over ranged champs in melee range they'd be underpowered. Failing can cause you to lose fights, which isn't surprising. The need to be in melee range makes hitting skillshots earlier, but this is basically the ranged vs melee interactions.

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You know what they say.

No one farms in lane with a Rumble.

LMAO she was worlds better with her old ulti and her win rates reflect that next plz

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you can block every single spell cast at you over .75 seconds of time.... and if its any form of hard CC you stun aoe in a line....

It only stuns the first champ hit.

She used to be able to dodge most all damage for nearly 5 seconds before, so .75 is a nerf in my eyes.

How does that make her broken though, it cc's her for the duration, it's her only defensive skill and doesn't last that long. It's a bit like a spellshield.

It has a greater base than jannas ult. let that sink in