Dear Riot, I think i'm going to stop playing Ranked solo queue for a while.

Phife··52 votes·5,407 views

Its pretty obvious that the majority of people I've played with in my past 6 years of league don't take solo queue as seriously as they should. Ive been to Diamond 3 and been as low as Silver 5. (never bronze though, phew). But i can say with full confidence there is no difference in the attitudes people approach the ranked environment with.

No matter what queue, no matter what MMR, NO MATTER WHAT RANK. People generally don't care about playing the game competitively and strategically in order to win the one game you're placed in. In the past couple months, I've been lucky to say the least to have gotten at least 1 person on my team who just can't find (excuse my language here) a single fuck.

I can play any other competitive / ranked game such as CounterStrike, WoW (pvp), guildwars, even world of tanks and people would still take the "ranked" environment 100x more seriously. If you don't think i'm being honest or you don't agree go ahead and tell me why i'm wrong below, But this is for Riot. Riot What have you done in this games lifespan to make people not take Solo queue seriously? You let people get away with really ridiculous stuff, such as trolling, afk'ing, feeding intentionally, and worst of all Not caring about the WIN.

Before i start to play any more ranked, I'd love to hear about Riots opinion on the matter, For me and i am 100% sure that there are a million other more cases like this where you just don't want to play the game anymore because it makes you feel angry and upset over the childish behavior exemplified through Solo queue.


Sincere Regards, Phife

P.S. I really enjoy playing league, and hope i can play solo queue one day. Its been a good 6 years. Welp, penis. I've recreated this thread in Gameplay and balance in hopes of gaining more traction than misc. Thanks for your time.

81 Comments

Phife20 votes

These are some of my quotes from other threads, They're all relative.

The fact that league of legends has been built to be a completely care free enviroment where "it doesn't matter its just a game" becomes the reason why I lose so many of my games.


In my honest opinion chat restrictions don't work, im always under them because i get grief reported most games, although i do admit to "flipping out" on some games, but its just a given with how much stress and anxiety the community gives me. I can't play a single game without a troll / feeder / afk person on my team. It feels like Riot wants me to deal with these people so i have a reason to be bald. What im trying to say, is that its not about putting restrictions on people for talking. I believe that if we had VoIP we'd be better off. But harsher and stricter bans / restrictions to BEING ABLE TO PLAY RANKED SOLO QUEUE should be in place before hand. If you go AFK and get reporeted, and found guilty. You should not be able to play ranked for at least a week, because that ruins games. If you get reported for Griefing you should be chat banned for X games, if you're reported for trolling, you should be put under "house arrest" where in the next 10 games you do something report worthy and found guilty you get a suspension. Things along these lines need to be put in place for Ranked, to become a Competitive queue, not just a normal queue with LP gains.


The action / plan is simple. Have you ever played CS:GO? Theres this new nifty "overwatch" system when you get reported X amount of times you get sent there for 'review' and anyone with your case file can watch over the WHOLE ENTIRE game and judge whether or not you're hacking, griefing, trolling, deranking, throwing...etc. A system much like this is NEEEDED for league, so instead of empty reports going in through the system and giving out chat bans within 10mins of the report, you'd actually need to be tried 'in court'. Note; that if you're tried through this system the votes need to be anonymous for you to be getting the ban / punishment! TL:DR Harsher punishments, trial by jury ruling

Rew7112 votes

As someone who does take Ranked seriously; when I hit level 30 and tried Ranked, I learned I knew nothing. I then spent a year practicing. That year went from 1 to 3 years. I'm about to start up Ranked this fall when it starts over, but now I find myself seeing Ranked (especially in Bronze where I'm at) as a toxic and troll infested place. I don't see myself even getting to Silver, I don't even see myself getting to Bronze 3.

Now, I'm going on a long shot here, but how do you punish someone, without punishments going out of hand? Why not instead we tone down punishments to this? Any report by a ally will give a automatic 10 minute wait once (max amount is 9 reports, reports from other matches may still stack). The more people that do it on the end of screen, the more times you must wait 10 minutes. Next, we benefit players for having to play with a troll or toxic player. For any AFK, you gain a bonus. In Normal mode, you gain a extra +20% IP for each AFK. For each AFK in Ranked, you gain +10% LP for a win or losses give –20% LP. If a player or other players were silenced by one player during a match, they get –10% IP and must wait 5 minutes before their next match, so the player that silenced them gets a chance to not play with them again.

Phife5 votes

because This game has a vast sea of players that expand over the millions, it wont do any justice to put an extended queue time on their ranked matches because its quite possible that they're only gonna play 1 match, and it so happens to be they don't care about that one match. "Its just a game, i want to have fun"....

Thats why in my opinion harsher punishments involve not being able to play for a week (not just "play X amount of normal draft")

Rew7112 votes

True, but it also means that someone who might be innocent would get a harsher punishment. This, in itself, will more likely hurt majority of new players and maybe even a few old players. I know that you need to remain serious in a Ranked match, but there are instances where you may need to do something. I remember a tale of a man that had to do something important and leave a Ranked match. He told his teammates and everything while also telling about it here on the Boards. You need to know that, though there are trolls, there is that half that will be severely punished for things like; wifi being turned off (due to friends, family, or storms), emergencies, and lagging.

Phife4 votes

Sorry, but commiting to a ranked queue means the next hour of your life should be 100% free. That goes for young old and really old people. I do not care if something came up. Leave but you will be reported.

If you had to go to the hospital for your kids or something then tell that to your teamates before leaving and hopefully they wont report you, otherwise its a joke how much people are able to get away with...

Sammystorm1 votes

Afk'ing is literally almost 100% low priority queue. You get hit for as little as one leave. You want to start banning people for 1 leave?

Phife1 votes

banning? not for 1 afk. Suspension, yes. but gradually if there's a repeated occurrence of the same person leaving RANKED games or afking. Its time to lock the account and make him think about what he / shes done.

Sammystorm1 votes

I don't comprehend how you can possible put someone leaving a game and someone being a horrible person as equal. Also leaver buster is harsh as is. You may think it is not enough but it is already harsher then the system we have in place for people being ass hats. On top of that suggesting that your game is more important then whatever the reason I am leaving for is dumb. Yes people leaving for melacious intents should be banned but should someone who doesn't connect really be suspended? What about the person that has a emergency? What about the person that doesn't want to play with a team full of ass holes? What you are saying is that the guy who leaves for a emergency is just as awful as the person proactively trying to be a jerk. On top of that you are saying that your time is just straight up more valuable then my time which is just not true.

Nameless Voice2 votes

Actually, (s)he's not saying his/her time is more valuable than your time. (S)he's saying that the time of 9 (or even 4) other players is much more valuable than any one player's time.

Sammystorm1 votes

Even if that was the intent, I am not sure it was, my point still stands. What makes their time more valuable then mine? The fact that their are 9 people doesn't change the fact that what is being suggested that if a person leaves for any reason, valid or not, they get hit with more sever punishments then anything else in the game. How does that solve anything?

Nameless Voice1 votes

Uh, if you assume that all people are equal and everyone's time is worth the same, then of course 4-9 peoples' time is worth more than one person's time.

I personally think people shouldn't be punished for occasionally leaving due to legitimate reasons, but certainly wouldn't count "because the rest of the team are wasting my valuable time" as a legitimate reason.

Phife1 votes

The thing is, you should always be able to rebuttal a Report, and Riot doesn't have that in place either. But if someone has a genuine reason to leave im not angry at that specific person, its all the other people who pretend to have reasons to leave.

Or

The people who just say "fk this gtg"...etc Whats the point of playing ranked when you don't know if you have the time to spare?

Phife1 votes

What im trying to say, is that no matter how you look at it, if you leave a game because "oops ran out of time gtg" you're an ass hat, theres no if's ands or but's.

You queued up, and signed an unwritten document and everyone has basically agreed to play for the next hour~ until that Ranked Competitive game finishes. If you don't finish that game you'll be subjected to a report and furthermore, suspension of ranked competitive activity and Time based Bans

Sammystorm1 votes

Almost no one leaves because they ran out of time. Yes it does make you an ass hat if you do that. Most people leave because of emergency situations, internet issues, or people being dicks. Everyone who plays this game agreed to not be an asshole. Yet people can get away with borderline verbal abuse but you want to propose even harsher afk penalties. People leaving isn't even that big of a problem. Look through your match history and see how many people afk. Now go back through your match history and remember how many games you had where people were not ass holes. The number of ass holes i much much greater then the number of people leaving.

Phife1 votes

Except the whole point is leniency, if you think one persons problems in life trump over 9 other people you're sadly mistaken. Also I could care less about what you left for, the fact that you leave means you have something better to do, and power to the person who has something better to do! But, we're all still playing while you left and for that reason the person should be suspended or time banned. (1 day, 3 days, a week, 2 weeks...etc) because if its just once, who cares "i'll just take a break for a day on league". But, if the same person is leaving games day after day or more than 1 time in a week, its not just a coincidence, something else is at play here._ "I'll just leave this game, Riots not going to do anything to me. what'll they do? take my acc away?? hah"_ - Every person who leaves intentionally.

TL;DR, There should be no acceptations, if you leave you should get punished. And if it truly was an emergency and wont happen again a minor time off the game (ie. 1 day) wont kill you.

Phife1 votes

Thats exactly it.

Biffolo2 votes

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True, but it also means that someone who might be innocent would get a harsher punishment. This, in itself, will more likely hurt majority of new players and maybe even a few old players. I know that you need to remain serious in a Ranked match, but there are instances where you may need to do something. I remember a tale of a man that had to do something important and leave a Ranked match. He told his teammates and everything while also telling about it here on the Boards. You need to know that, though there are trolls, there is that half that will be severely punished for things like; wifi being turned off (due to friends, family, or storms), emergencies, and lagging.

Frankly, I don't care if your firstborn is dying. If you leave, i want to see you punished. It's a choice you made, deal with the results.

Rueian3 votes

Well i mean, it depends on if they leave without saying anything. If they apologize and give you guys a heads up. Better than saying nothing or "its just a game"

Biffolo3 votes

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Well i mean, it depends on if they leave without saying anything. If they apologize and give you guys a heads up. Better than saying nothing or "its just a game"

It's better, but still warrants punishment. The rules state that if you leave, for ANY reason you will be punished. And that is something riot should stick to with an iron fist.

Sammystorm1 votes

If Riot goes any harder on people leaving games I am leaving there game for good. Who are you, Riot, or anyone to tell me that this game is more important then other things in my life.

Also what the hell is the obsession with people leaving. People like you can literally not care about other people and just generally be an asshole and not get punished. Yet at the same time demand that other people get banned or massive restrictions for something that is a hell of a lot more minor then what you have done in this thread. You want to be an ass on the internet? You should deal with the results.

Biffolo2 votes

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If Riot goes any harder on people leaving games I am leaving there game for good. Who are you, Riot, or anyone to tell me that this game is more important then other things in my life.

Also what the hell is the obsession with people leaving. People like you can literally not care about other people and just generally be an asshole and not get punished. Yet at the same time demand that other people get banned or massive restrictions for something that is a hell of a lot more minor then what you have done in this thread. You want to be an ass on the internet? You should deal with the results.

First off, I don't have to care about other people, so long as I'm not a dick to them in game. Second off, you agreed to these rules when you clicked accept about having read and understanding the summoners code. You should know what you got yourself into when you accepted that, and should play accordingly. Honestly, at the end of the day, whatever problems you have don't affect me. You agreed to it, fucking stick with it.

Sammystorm1 votes

Well Riot has stated on several occasions that some lee way needs to be given for emergencies and such. They narrowed the lee way but still have it their. So what Rules exactly am I suppose to be following? Yours or Riots?

Biffolo1 votes

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Well Riot has stated on several occasions that some lee way needs to be given for emergencies and such. They narrowed the lee way but still have it their. So what Rules exactly am I suppose to be following? Yours or Riots?

The summoners code. I disagree with there being any lee way allowed on riots end, but it's their game. What I'm saying is that they should stick to what was initially said to the fucking letter.

Phife1 votes

See, this is exactly why I cant stand this game. I dont care if you're the CEO of fucking google but if you join a game expect to finish it or ill find your ass and take you out to dinner and make you pay the bill!

You think you can just join a game and disturb 9 other people without consequence

Chaotic Reks5 votes

what we need is the Tribunal back, it's been gone for almost a year and there is no excuse as to why it's not back up already.

Phife5 votes

I think its been far more than a year... hasn't it?

Ternt5 votes

Yeh, this is how I feel constantly. I want to make it to Gold because I have only been playing about 9 months, and people told me getting to Gold was insanely hard for my first season with no MOBA experience; but I consistently get trolls or people who want to try new stuff they saw in the LCS or on Stream. I've seen multiple Varus mid who do nothing but feed because, holy shit, they've played the champ ONCE EVER. I just feel like people in Ranked pick champs based on what they THINK will work, but when you have played a champ once or twice ever, it's not a "counter-pick", it's a troll pick. I've made posts about this before, saying how people need to quit thinking a counter-pick will win them the game based on what the pro's play. I'd take you on a champ you're actually good with over a pure counter-pick you don't know how to play.

I main a position, and when I say I main something, that means you can play multiple champs with different utility fluently and benefit your team. And aside from that, you understand what your role is when it comes to everything from laning to farming to team fights. When somebody tells me they main a role, then have absurdly low win rates and KDA's, it's hard to believe that they truly main anything. Playing a position you want to and actually being good at that position are completely different things. I played countless normals before taking ranked on because I didn't want to be a burden to my team, and then I finally got up to par with my champs and go into ranked expecting the same thing only to find people going 1/16. I carried myself out of Bronze, but Silver is just as bad, if not worse, than Bronze was. I've gone up and down from Silver V to IV since getting into Silver. It's frustrating, and I also have been thinking about not playing ranked anymore because of how poor the community truly is in ranked.

I had a game last night where I went like 12/0/11, and at about 10 minutes, top was losing by 2 kills and mid had died once. Bot lane was neutral still, their farm was pretty consistent, so I decided to try and balance the top and mid lanes out. Go top and give the kill to my top laner, then gank mid and get him a kill, then go back top and get myself a kill. At this point, the ADC had just died for the first time and proceeded to say, "Fucking shit jungler, no ganks and now I am losing, gg." To me, I think most people THINK they know how to play positions, but can hardly play the role they think they're good with. On the surface, League is a basic game, but there is so much underlying information that is existing that many people just don't know or understand. If I let my top laner alone and focus on the person whining, my top laner, who was already behind to start, continues to fall behind. Then we have a mid laner who is trying to redeem his death and continues dying. Then we have 2 lanes that are super fed because YOU wanted me to constantly gank since you clearly weren't good enough to hold the lane. As a jungler, it's not my entire focus to just steamroll and get assloads of kills, because that does nothing for the TEAM if I die. In a game that is 5v5, you need to assist the people who need it and exploit the errors made by the other team. Most of my kills came from poor position on their part (The enemy jungler continually trying to invade), and them pushing too far into the turrets. It's just insanely annoying when in a lane that was never ganked, as soon as they die from playing poorly, it's ANYBODY elses fault but their own.

TL;DR: Honestly, most people just don't understand that game enough. And coming from somebody who has only been around 9 months, I watched many videos and tried learning how to play the role I enjoy most, better. Failure in ranked comes down to terrible itemization, lack of skill and WHINING because somebody is better than you. I'm not claiming I am amazing or deserve Diamond, but I certainly understand my position a lot better than many people I play with.

Sammystorm1 votes

It doesn't actually look like you main anything. Your ranked champions is a huge amount of everything. Including champions with 30+ games and negative win rates.

Ternt1 votes

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It doesn't actually look like you main anything. Your ranked champions is a huge amount of everything. Including champions with 30+ games and negative win rates.

Lol.. You're right. My goal is after 3 years is to main a champ and have a 2.88 KDA and 54% win rate. Thanks for enlightening me.

Sammystorm1 votes

Not even sure what this post has to do with anything. You were complaining about people not maining champs and not taking ranked seriously then you proceed to have really awful win rates on champs and keep playing them and then also play like half of all the champs.

Ternt1 votes

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Not even sure what this post has to do with anything. You were complaining about people not maining champs and not taking ranked seriously then you proceed to have really awful win rates on champs and keep playing them and then also play like half of all the champs.

Lol.. Because you always get your best position every game right? And you sit there throwing numbers when yours are piss poor after 3 years of playing the same main. If you play a champ consistently, you should be able to do decently well 9/10 games, regardless of outcome. Some games cannot be carried. For playing in Bronze and Silver my first season, I'd say 60%'s are pretty damn good. But how do you justify barely winning 50% in Gold lol.

Sammystorm3 votes

I justify it as me being at a level where I am not significantly ahead of the people I am playing against. I also didn't make the claims you did. I was just calling you out on the hypocrisy of your statement when you don't follow what you claim that others should do. I have not made any such claim.

brad4 votes

riot cant make people care about this game as much as you do, and them writing in this thread isnt going to do that either

Phife3 votes

harsher punishments will do.

Sammystorm1 votes

No they won't. It just adds harsher cases and nothing else.

chipndip14 votes

Those whole community is two-faced and backwards. I wouldn't even wipe my ass with it. I'd get infected with something nasty.

Then Riot comes out and acts like LoL's community is worth something, when it's actually downright evil. The Lord of Flies probably makes kids play this game while he watches for amusement.

Saianna3 votes

My ARAM MMR or w/e you can call it is somewhere for Gold 2. And i'm +/- keeping on that level.

In Ranked i got into silver 2 i think. Ok i know nothing fancy, but more than half of my games were lost because "oh who cares it's just silver" attitude. I've tried my best, while some random guy somewhere in EU decided to give his best to throw the game.

After like 20-30 rankeds i've decided to stop this farce. It was not fun It was simply pain to play trough every game watching how others ruin my time while laughing their asses off.

Would I get higher division? Dunno, really. I believe my skill is somewhere in gold level, but that's just my personal, biased thought.

I still remember my last ranked game where my duo friend (from forum), TF mid, decided to throw the game because "nah he doesn't feel like playing. And then he was surprised/butthurt why i thanked him for cooperaton so far and removed him frm friend list.

No more rankeds.. Like... Ever. Again.


PS I hate wireless keyboard. It's sooooo troll'y

LordGeovanni3 votes

I dont think going afk is unpunished having to wait 20 mins before you can play a match for 5 matches is highly annoying and if you keep afking during that time you get bannned. these games have limited the times i play to 1-2 per day not even wanting to go through it most days so i dont. personally i fall there more often than i would like to due to some times my family not careing that im on the game though they seemsed to get the idea of games that cant be paused and played with people after 2 years. and are much more forgiving for it than they were 4 years ago or more when i started so my afk's and d/c's are down from that point of view. then i have unreliable utilities I found out about testing the internet speed in the past few years and now i know that you cant play lol with less than 1. mb/s download speed so i now gauge the hours i cant play witch is from 4-11 pm and i work from 7am-3pm so i usually can only play from 12 - fall asleep (3-4) its rare to have play able speed before 11. i find my self kicked into low priority about 2 twice every two months around the time where family disturbing me and unreliable internet speeds and a noticeable amount of black outs when i play hopefully the back up battery i bought for my internet and computer cuts down on the black out part. riot has its own problems that factor in too. and its looks very stupid what people always calling intentional feeding that is hardly ever the cause the same way when the enemy makes a mistake and you get a kill and start to snowball other people can do that and when they get a kill of you or an ally they can start to snow ball the most sure way to counter this is to help your ally. you can always brag about winning your lane and having kills but its still a team game of 5 v 5 at the end of the day. Lastly i dont take any one who gives up on ranked seriously. Surrendering should be removed from ranked games. I hate surrendering on normals but even more so on ranked. people pick late game champions and get mad when they dont snow ball but i have seen so many come backs done so beautifully. i have rarely seen surrendering until about a year ago surrendering used to get turned down 1/4 now its often some one on either side surrendering 4/1 at 20 mins. i have been in games where we lost one tower and we took 5 of the enemies outer and inner towers and some one wanted to surrender just because it was about that time(20 mins). idk what type of community this is that want to start a game but doesnt care enough to finish the game.

q O y O p3 votes

Ranked Solo Queue current requirements:

  • Level 30
  • 16 Champions

The simple fact is that Ranked shouldn't be "GIVEN" to you at level 30. You should have to EARN the right to play ranked.

Here are what the requirements should be:

  • Level 30
  • 16 Mastered Champions
  • Ranked 5s Team with 10 games played.
  • No more than 30 days inactivity.

This will aid in keeping "casuals" out of the queue. Sure you can still meet these requirements and troll/afk/whatever, but it will be much less likely.

Phife1 votes

Thank lord you are my savior!

why isn't this already implemented??

q O y O p1 votes

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Thank lord you are my savior!

why isn't this already implemented??

I believe it's because more people actually play Ranked games than Normal games. The "chance" of gaining LP (carried or not) and somehow making it to the "show" (most pros are picked from the Ranked Solo Q list for teams) is what brings in a lot of players. I could be wrong, but either way, it's not good sportsmanship on Riot's part.

Primaquarius1 votes

I need 16 tier 5 champions to play ranked? Actually, I can live with that if I can stop getting paired with monkeys

Keevalroy2 votes

I played long enough to be comfortable in the middle of gold. I have the guaranteed Victorious skin, so as far as I'm concerned, that's good enough for me. I'll just stick to Teambuilder until next season...or if ranked TB comes before the end of Season 5 I might go for plat - but that's a big _might. _

Virgin Ray2 votes

The only thing I will do is complete my provisionals and hope for silver+. Now that Riot disabled decaying rank pts I can idle on rank as long as a want. I might climb in I get placed in Bronze.

aaronconlin2 votes

The Tribunal needs to come back, and there needs to be harsher punishments for people griefing others. The point of a game is to have fun, playing ranked is to win, and have fun doing it. People who ruin the fun for others should be punished, plain and simple.

Salt Miner 49 Er2 votes

I stopped playing Ranked as soon as Team Builder came out because honestly I was tired of people judging my player skill on something as arbitrary as the Ranked Ladder as if anybody except the people in Challenger and the higher rungs of Diamond matter.

Phife3 votes

Thats not what this thread is about though, its about taking ranked MORE seriously.

Phife2 votes

bump

Baby Ghoul2 votes

I've noticed people in general are apathetic towards Riot's punishment system. They expect little to no punishment for their actions, and I frequently see people say something like, "Report me. It won't do a thing." And sure enough, I go to look them up again and they're doing the same old troll stuff. Even in ranked.

It makes me really nervous to start playing ranked as a newer player. I've watched my friends play this game for years. They're in gold and platinum. I have only just started to pick it up myself a year ago. I'm wary about playing ranked for the exact reason you've mentioned. I don't think enough people take it seriously in this game, and I see too many problems to think I'll have an enjoyable time playing.

I'm starting to finish off a nice playable champion pool with runes, and I can do every role comfortably except for Jungler. I'm aware I'll rarely get the role I want, but I can play support well and have many champions for it. I'm also at the point where I understand the game, but I still make silly mistakes from time to time, usually in 4v5s where the margin of error is tight. I know champion matchups, synergy, what to build when, champion abilities etc. all pretty well by now. I may have a few surprises here and there. However in the past few weeks I've felt that maybe I can start preparing myself for ranked.

It's just unfortunate because I don't think I'm someone that can reliably carry a game yet. When a teammate is trolling or going AFK, I'm more likely to go down hard with them. I know that's very common in ranked, especially this summer. Not many of my games are consistent enough to give me a signal that it's time to climb. I either completely dominate the game, or I do really mediocre. Ending up in bronze or silver 5 really wouldn't change anything for me, and climbing higher would be nice for rewards, but you'd still have that overall problem of ranked not being taken very seriously.

My league friends who started playing around the same time as me have, and they've ended up in silver, so I am seriously considering just waiting until next season because I don't know if I'd even have enough time to climb in this ranked atmosphere. I hope Riot does eventually notice this because it is a larger problem that I don't see in many other games I play, or at least not as much.

Smoleyoaks2 votes

i don't think anyone is saying a Ranked League Game is more important than an emergency or whatever reason people have for afking. But importance is not the point. If I'm playing soccer and decide to leave at 35 minutes because [insert any reason, importance notwithstanding] I still lose the game and it's likely my teammates (i.e. the league community who reported you) won't want me starting (i.e. playing ranked) again. I'm all for actually suspending/banning people from ranked play if they don't show the appropriate respect. I don't think this could be handled in anyway but case by case by actual people.

Point is to stop arguing the point of importance of your reason for leaving. It is irrelevant if you leave because you suddenly decide watching butterflies is more fun or if your father has a heart attack and you have to rush him to the hospital. If you leave a ranked game there should be an actual consequence. I kind of feel internet/technical issues should have a more lenient penalty if it can be proved but I don't know enough about anything to know if that's possible.

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