Top Udyr Thoughts?

Woook3r·Dec 28, 2014·1 votes·965 views

Was just wondering about a top udyr.

Try and build tear then tanky. After that build essencereaver and manamune and keep muramana's toggle up for longer. Botrk. more tanky.

18 Comments

ChexMexDec 29, 20142 votes

IMO Q start is better for level 1 cheese, Q, wait a bit, auto for proc then Q auto again to get them 1/3 health

BudupopsDec 29, 20142 votes

watch trick2g

SachabotDec 28, 20141 votes

I'd rather not wait ten minutes for my powerspike on Udyr, thanks.

Woook3rDec 28, 20141 votes

why r first? wont you push the wave?

SachabotDec 29, 20141 votes

When did I say anything about R? I meant that stacking a tear is a pain and rather pointless here, there are better ways to build him.

Leti the YetiDec 29, 20141 votes

if ur not stance spamming, ur doing something wrong if you arent spammnig turtle and bear as you aggravate the enemy team, ur doing something wrong

SachabotDec 29, 20141 votes

Yeah, but that doesn't mean tear is a good idea on Udyr.

Edit: the tear/manamune/reaver build is for people who run out of mana. Even stance dancing, I rarely notice a mana issue on Udyr. And even then, he doesn't benefit from this the way Ez/Jayce/Ryze do.

Leti the YetiDec 29, 20141 votes

mp regen?

SachabotDec 29, 20141 votes

A moderate amount could be useful if you have a problem managing your mana, but that's not really Udyr's issue. He's balanced on his mana pretty well. I still wouldn't build tear over something like Frozen Heart, which also resolves any mana issues. I wouldn't rush FH either, for that matter.

Woook3rDec 29, 20141 votes

I replied to the wrong comment. Sorry.

SachabotDec 29, 20141 votes

Ah. Okay.

EndlessSorcererDec 28, 20141 votes

I'm not a fan of tear on Udyr. When I took him top, I typically used the following build, with some variations: Items: item 3111 or item 3047 , item 3078 , item 3110 , item 3065 , item 3153 or item 3172 , item 3143 or item 3102 Runes: MS Quints, Atk Spd Marks, Armor Seals, MR Glyphs Masteries: 21/0/9 or 0/21/9 or 21/9/0 or 9/21/0 Skill Order: R>W>E>Q Summoner Spells: Teleport and (Ghost or Flash)

I prefer Phoenix Stance on Udyr over Tiger Stance for a few reasons:

It is better at quickly pushing the wave, allowing you to proxy farm and split-push with ease
It keeps a passive counter so you don't have to keep reactivating it for damage
It is longer ranged which allows you to harass the enemy while last-hitting minions without using mana
Phoenix Stance deals more damage than Tiger Stance when you don't have items and it is AoE. Since I build Udyr primarily as a tank, Phoenix Stance lets me have more impact in teamfights and duels.
You get a burst of damage on your first AA after activating Phoenix Stance and on every third hit afterwards. You can queue up an Phoenix proc, AA, R, AA for a good burst of damage.

Woook3rDec 29, 20141 votes

Bear stance to avoid ganks from pushing wave?

EndlessSorcererDec 29, 20141 votes

I typically get a point in bear stance at level 2 or 4, depending on how the lane progresses. Typically, I have at least one ward out to warn me of ganks, so I can often just walk away without issue. If you like, you can easily alternate leveling bear stance and turtle stance, or max bear stance before Turtle.

I usually put one point in Tiger Stance early game and max it last. Typically, I get my first point in Tiger Stance when I plan to start pushing enemy towers.

I am mid not youDec 29, 20141 votes

For top udyr myself it depends on who i am playing against, lets say im against a Jax, i would probably start Q over R, why? Q hits faster than R does, Since Jax does alot of dammage in a small time i rather have 15 hits of (let say 80) than 12 of (lets say 90) If u are playing safe, and wanting to clear minion waves fast; i would upgrade R.

But IMO i like Udyr junlge more than Top since u can roam and still backdoor turrets.

ChexMexDec 29, 20141 votes

Jax is pretty weak early game though, I'd take Q on anyone who is easy to bully I.E riven, jax, mundo level 1

TerraeclipseDec 29, 20141 votes

Saturn,

Lots of people below are giving the advice that I'm about to say, so I hope we all help you. Trick2 plays Udyr top a lot. He's hilarious with it too... enemies have to fight to catch him.

In addition, there's a lot of builds out there, not one of them recommends tear on Udyr. Most people either start Trinity or Sunfire/Randuins first (based on their enemy), maybe Bork. No one really starts tear.

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EndlessSorcererDec 29, 20141 votes

Actually, Trick2G did start with Tear for quite a while. He typically got it on Phoenix Udyr top with summoner 12 summoner 6 so that he had the mana to let him splitpush and use abilities with ease. Later in the game, he would build it into Manamune for the on-hit and AD.

I think his explanation was that Tear of the Goddess acted as a pseudo-Sunfire Cape for Udyr since it let him use Phoenix Stance and Turtle Stance more often.