Nashor get melted by Mountain drake

Kyunsei··9 votes·1,176 views

**TL : DR **Mountain drake really change too much the difficulty to take Baron Nashor.

And beforehand, I'll explain what are the number exactly. So, each mountain drake give you 10% true damage to nashor, drake and turrets.

Nashor have 120 armor and 70 MR, irreducible. 120 armor gives 54% damage reduction of physical damage 70 mr gives 41% damage reduction of magical damage

Now, what must also be noted is that the last target attacked by Baron Nashor deal 50% less damage to him. Which give 77% damage reduction if you deal physical damage, and 70% damage reduction for Magical damage.

Now, what is the value of mountain drake ?

  1. You are physical damage dealer, you don't tank nashor
  2. Physical, you tank nashor
  3. Magical, you don't tank
  4. Magical, you tank

  1. each mountain drake increase your damage by 21.7 %
  2. each mountain increase your damage by 43.4 %
  3. each mountain increase your damage by 16.9 %
  4. each mountain increase your damage by 33.3 %

So, few things to note

  • Having 3 mountains drake and soloing Nashor while being a physical damage dealer increase your damage to Nashor by 130% !
  • Magical damage dealer profit less from mountain drake than physical damage dealer.
  • Nashor with his high resistances is very influenced by true damage, compared to Turrets or Drakes.
  • Even if you are not tanking, the EHP of Nashor is really lowered by mountain drake, and by far more than 10% EHP per mountain drake.

In conclusion, I would say that mountain drake should not increase you damage by 10% true damage, but by 10% normal damage, equalizing this way magical and physical damage dealer, and making it less valuable specifically for Nashor.

16 Comments

Beerstein2 votes

It could be argued that this is why you should fight for the mountain drake, and that's part of what you earned by taking him. Also good info, I didn't realize how impactful it is. It'll probably play a large part on if I decide to rush baron with a team or not in the future, thanks. +1

Lord Phazanor 1 votes

This is a thought out post, with calculations that seem correct and a non-stupid reasoning.
What a shame it won't change anything. (I'm not being sarcastic)

Kyunsei1 votes

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This is a thought out post, with calculations that seem correct and a non-stupid reasoning.
What a shame it won't change anything. (I'm not being sarcastic)

It might change in the future

IvernBramblefoot1 votes

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It might change in the future

yeah i doubt that

Infernal Ironic1 votes

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This is a thought out post, with calculations that seem correct and a non-stupid reasoning.
What a shame it won't change anything. (I'm not being sarcastic)

  1. This is a post in which a person wants the most worthless drake nerfed
  2. What reasoning? So people should spend 30 seconds early game + control wards to kill a drake for nothing

Idk what elo the OP is but in high elo mountain drake is the least contested drake in a game

Logical suggestion would be suggesting a rework

Since mountain drake at its current state ll always be worthless unless we overbuff it to a point makes you 3 hit Baron

Mountain drake has lots of issues

  1. Its the only worthless dragon when behind
  2. It does nothing for fights
  3. Other dragons indirectly help at the same thing mountain is trying to do

Ocean makes sure you are full hp and mana before fight Air makes sure you harder to get picked off/engaged on while making your engage better (good engage is half a teamfight) Infernal drake has obvious teamfight impact. Its also overtuned drake but thats beside a point

Air drake helps you reach siege points faster which might aswell translate to more damage to objectives Ocean drake helps with sieges / staying in fight long which leads to more map pressure aka translates to more damage to stuff Infernal drake literaly helps you siege

Mountain drake is fking garbage drake and OP is suggesting a nerf XDDDDDDDD I know he means well but he should stay out of it

Also INB4 someone says air is the worst. IT USED TO BE AT VERY START BUT IT GOT BUFFED SINCE READ FKING PATCH NOTES PEASANTS

I would personaly rework it go give local gold + global experience (more gold if 18)

IvernBramblefoot2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Infernal Ironic,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=c3nzIuRi,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-01-25T14:09:01.041+0000)

  1. This is a post in which a person wants the most worthless drake nerfed

  2. What reasoning? So people should spend 30 seconds early game + control wards to kill a drake for nothing

Idk what elo the OP is but in high elo mountain drake is the least contested drake in a game

Logical suggestion would be suggesting a rework

Since mountain drake at its current state ll always be worthless unless we overbuff it to a point makes you 3 hit Baron

Mountain drake has lots of issues

  1. Its the only worthless dragon when behind

  2. It does nothing for fights

  3. Other dragons indirectly help at the same thing mountain is trying to do

Ocean makes sure you are full hp and mana before fight Air makes sure you harder to get picked off/engaged on while making your engage better (good engage is half a teamfight) Infernal drake has obvious teamfight impact. Its also overtuned drake but thats beside a point

Air drake helps you reach siege points faster which might aswell translate to more damage to objectives Ocean drake helps with sieges / staying in fight long which leads to more map pressure aka translates to more damage to stuff Infernal drake literaly helps you siege

Mountain drake is fking garbage drake and OP is suggesting a nerf XDDDDDDDD I know he means well but he should stay out of it

Also INB4 someone says air is the worst. IT USED TO BE AT VERY START BUT IT GOT BUFFED SINCE READ FKING PATCH NOTES PEASANTS

I would personaly rework it go give local gold + global experience (more gold if 18)

who cares what you think? you're not high elo. your last placement was platinum, that's not high elo, and as of right now you're not placed at all. so maybe you shouldn't talk. Maybe you should shut up. Just a thought, since you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Infernal Ironic1 votes

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who cares what you think? you're not high elo. your last placement was platinum, that's not high elo, and as of right now you're not placed at all. so maybe you shouldn't talk. Maybe you should shut up. Just a thought, since you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Gotta love this whiteknights constantly saying to me BUT YOUR CHALLENGER DOESNT MATTER Each elo has right to an opinion.. Yes you heard it right I am challenger

My main account is Poske and it is banned from boards for another week because I made a sexist thread against leader of balance team or something which is a girl

I am ex challenger. Peeked 450 LP. Preaseason master. Current Diamond 3. Ex #1 Le blanc world. Best Yasuo ADC world and peeked top 10-20 world with around 6-7 other champions

I am easly the highest Elo board user so Maybe you all should take a notebook and write some stuff

LESSON 1. Nerfing the most garbage drake is probably a bad idea LESSON 2. Each elo opinion matters. LESSON 3. Highest possible placement is Platinum LESSON 4. Even In low Elo mountain is the most garbage drake. Difference is you people actually take it one of the reasons you are low elo

Galacius2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Infernal Ironic,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=c3nzIuRi,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2018-01-25T14:50:46.404+0000)

Gotta love this whiteknights constantly saying to me BUT YOUR CHALLENGER DOESNT MATTER Each elo has right to an opinion.. Yes you heard it right I am challenger

My main account is Poske and it is banned from boards for another week because I made a sexist thread against leader of balance team or something which is a girl

I am ex challenger. Peeked 450 LP. Preaseason master. Current Diamond 3. Ex #1 Le blanc world. Best Yasuo ADC world and peeked top 10-20 world with around 6-7 other champions

I am easly the highest Elo board user so Maybe you all should take a notebook and write some stuff

LESSON 1. Nerfing the most garbage drake is probably a bad idea LESSON 2. Each elo opinion matters. LESSON 3. Highest possible placement is Platinum LESSON 4. Even In low Elo mountain is the most garbage drake. Difference is you people actually take it one of the reasons you are low elo

Hey there,

We don't care if you're bronze or challenger and we'd appreciate it if you treat other players/posters with respect. Please knock off the passive-aggressive posts. Thank you.

Lord Phazanor 2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Infernal Ironic,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=c3nzIuRi,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-01-25T14:09:01.041+0000)

  1. This is a post in which a person wants the most worthless drake nerfed

  2. What reasoning? So people should spend 30 seconds early game + control wards to kill a drake for nothing

Idk what elo the OP is but in high elo mountain drake is the least contested drake in a game

Logical suggestion would be suggesting a rework

Since mountain drake at its current state ll always be worthless unless we overbuff it to a point makes you 3 hit Baron

Mountain drake has lots of issues

  1. Its the only worthless dragon when behind

  2. It does nothing for fights

  3. Other dragons indirectly help at the same thing mountain is trying to do

Ocean makes sure you are full hp and mana before fight Air makes sure you harder to get picked off/engaged on while making your engage better (good engage is half a teamfight) Infernal drake has obvious teamfight impact. Its also overtuned drake but thats beside a point

Air drake helps you reach siege points faster which might aswell translate to more damage to objectives Ocean drake helps with sieges / staying in fight long which leads to more map pressure aka translates to more damage to stuff Infernal drake literaly helps you siege

Mountain drake is fking garbage drake and OP is suggesting a nerf XDDDDDDDD I know he means well but he should stay out of it

Also INB4 someone says air is the worst. IT USED TO BE AT VERY START BUT IT GOT BUFFED SINCE READ FKING PATCH NOTES PEASANTS

I would personaly rework it go give local gold + global experience (more gold if 18)

It's still the worst unless you're talking competitive scene. But I'd rather let the downvotes speak for themselves.

Infernal Ironic1 votes

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It's still the worst unless you're talking competitive scene. But I'd rather let the downvotes speak for themselves.

If Riot did a thing I said you would see upvotes on the same subject with same wording

Lord Phazanor 1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Infernal Ironic,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=c3nzIuRi,comment-id=0000000100010000,timestamp=2018-01-25T18:55:42.925+0000)

If Riot did a thing I said you would see upvotes on the same subject with same wording

But they didn't. And never will. The same way they never will do what OP said. I don't see what point are you trying to prove.

Infernal Ironic1 votes

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But they didn't. And never will. The same way they never will do what OP said. I don't see what point are you trying to prove.

So everyone should abandon boards because Riot doesnt care? I mean... Its nto that I disagree

I just wanted to point out that eventho OP post is well written its bad idea

Lord Phazanor 1 votes

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So everyone should abandon boards because Riot doesnt care? I mean... Its nto that I disagree

I just wanted to point out that eventho OP post is well written its bad idea

You forgot to add "IMHO" or something like that.

YoloSweg4201 votes

You mean mountain drake actually does something? Oh the horror!

Ahri Body Pillow1 votes

Isn't the entire point of mountain drake to be able to clear objectives faster? Why is this a bad thing?

Kyunsei1 votes

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Isn't the entire point of mountain drake to be able to clear objectives faster? Why is this a bad thing?

It isn't a bad thing. It just feel that it's random number. First, why would it deal more damage to Nashor and less to turret ? Second, why would it benefit less magic damage dealer ?

Don't tell me Riot thought of that, they just thought that true damage is cool and they put it in. Actually Mountain intuitively tells you it's great for neutral objective and turret, but it's especially great for Nashor.

TL : DR basically Mountain Drake is highly tied to Nashor and I don't think that was the point of this drake originally.

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