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iainB8576 votes

I want a million dollars.

Upvote for that too.

gubigubi13 votes

Wait don't forget.

Upvote me if you want 2 million dollars.

Dr Poro29 votes

I don't need any refunds. I still have 1 refund left and I'll probably never use it. I think only people who spend money on RP should get refunds. For example: 1 refund for every 10k RP bought. I think if anyone deserves to get refunds, it's the big spenders because they buy a shitload of things and there's a way bigger chance that they regret something.

Chicken4dinner2 votes

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I don't need any refunds. I still have 1 refund left and I'll probably never use it. I think only people who spend money on RP should get refunds. For example: 1 refund for every 10k RP bought. I think if anyone deserves to get refunds, it's the big spenders because they buy a shitload of things and there's a way bigger chance that they regret something.

Also because they are supporting riot heaps anyway and all it is is swapping one purchase for another. Meaning the item they refunded remains un-bought, tada!

Dalthine7 votes

I've been around since before they implemented refunds and still have all three of them, but still feel like the "three in your lifetime" setup is silly at this point, considering how long it's been since the policy was first implemented. Maybe they don't necessarily need to make it 3 per season, but something like 3 at account creation with one refilled per season (max 3) would work out well too. It just feels silly that you're basically not given any new ones at all no matter how long you play despite continuing to purchase new content and that content still changing pretty often and at times drastically.

The sorts of people who are on boards have somewhat more of a shield from it because we tend to follow changes to the game and what new things are being worked on or changed, but a lot of the players don't follow what's being worked on and don't even read patch notes. They just log in after a patch one day and find out their newly bought champ was changed or their new skin looks horribly different.

DrNova12 votes

That's too much. You could basically keep recycling your money and they would make way less

Gorgannan32 votes

You're forgetting that you cannot refund anything you'd owned for more than 3 months.

Sukishoo2 votes

Then what is the point in wanting more?

Personally I used all 3 early on and have no regrets and don't really care to have more. I buy the content I want and love it. Of course we get some things we don't use often like if they came from Mystery Gifts but you couldn't return that anyway cause it's a gift XD

A Miss Fortune2 votes

People want more refunds so they can properly test out champions. Some champions look much more fun than they are to certain players or some people just might get bored of their champions after a few weeks.

Sukishoo4 votes

That's why a better thing to have would be a testing feature added, like in Heroes of the Storm for example you can select hero and say "Try" then it takes you to the testing battleground and allows you to get a feel for them before purchasing them. Or even over in SMITE:BOTG, you can pay in 100 favor (IP) to test out a God for like a week and then see if you like it to unlock it permanently.

Adding more Refunds on the other hand, is again kind of like someone else said, more so towards an abuse-able standpoint of people just unlocking something and then just putting it back after they are done with it (and yes, there is that time period on using them but still)

ThatToxicTroll11 votes

Waiter there is a %max hp true damage in my soup i want my money back!

Too Ton9 votes

I never spent a refund cause you shouldn't buy something you don't want.

Hawkefire32 votes

One Word: Reworks

Things that directly change the product that you paid for, and the result was not the same as what you had bought.

Daedalus8718 votes

An upvote and a bump for you.

But honestly, I'd settle for 1 per season.

PokladnicaZla7 votes

1 refund is enough.

toonpang6 votes

I'd even be happy with one refund per season.

Ternt5 votes

I think that you should get refunds based around not how much you spend, but how much you play. If you hit x amount of games in a ranked season, you should get x refunds back. This means more people would maybe grind that last month of the season to hit 1k games or 500 games to get 3/2 refunds. It would look something like this..

At 1,000 Ranked matches : 3 refunds At 500 Ranked matches : 2 refunds At 250 Ranked matches : 1 refund

For Normals players

At 2,000 Normal matches : 3 refunds At 1,000 Normal matches : 2 refunds At 500 Normal matches : 1 refund

At 1,500 Normal Wins : 3 refunds At 750 Normal Wins : 2 refunds At 375 Normal Wins : 1 refund

These values would be PER SEASON, and would not accumulate over a longer period of time. Some people refuse to play Ranked, but love playing League and could accumulate thousands of Normal matches. I myself have played 681 Ranked matches this season as I post this, and will continue to rise as the season comes to an end. But I have seen people will well over 1,000 matches this season on my journey through Ranked, and believe that this system makes it so that regardless of skill level or rank, you will be guaranteed some sort of reward. If you play the game a lot, you should get rewards too, and for casual players who despise ranked, they would feel like they have something to work towards as well.

The pay off for Riot is the fact that you have people dedicating time and playing League of Legends just so they can reuse RP they felt they wasted when they were new (or drunk, it happens). I know I bought Dragonslayer Pantheon when I was new because I thought I liked Pantheon. But as I developed into my particular role throughout my first season, I really didn't see myself using that champion or skin at all. And if I could get my 1350 RP back, I would use it towards either Mystery Gifts for friends or buying a skin for a champion I actually play. This system could only work if you could not refund gifted skins, as it would be a broken mechanic in the system. Getting an 1820RP skin for 490RP then refunding it would make it absurdly flawed and abused, so any skin received as a gift would under no circumstances be able to be refunded.

Let me know what you think of this.

AbyssionKnight2 votes

The issue I have with this is that you're punishing people who don't play the game a lot. For example, I know lots of people who have played this game since season 1 who don't even have 2k wins total. These people are dedicated players of this game who have been supporting Riot since early on, yet in your system they aren't rewarded for their loyalty at all, simply because they can't afford to invest thousands of hours a year into the game.

I think a more reasonable approach would be to make refunds based on the amount of purchases you've made. So if for example every 40k IP worth of content you purchase you get a new refund, then regardless of how much you play, you'll get the same amount of refunds as anyone else who has invested as much RP or IP into the game as you have.

Riot still makes profits, they encourage more purchases, and still drain IP and RP out of the economy, while making players feel like they're being rewarded for their loyalty.

There are probably some flaws to this system, but on a basic level I think it's at least superior to a per games played model in terms of player equality.

Flaming Muskrat5 votes

3 may be too much, however 1 refund per season would be perfect. A lot of summoners, myself included, blew our refunds way back when we first started on cheap champions because we didn't know any better. Thread updooted for rito's approval.

Rainbow Wasp4 votes

700 upvotes, wow. Rito is like "what thread I don't see anything" LeeSin

Vellich0r4 votes

bump for justice!!! Garen

zeathoros3 votes

As a business why would they do this? If they allowed 3 refunds per season that would mean that they would make substantially less money. Say you only bought 3 1350 rp skins each season and you get 1380 rp for $10. So times 3 that would essentially cost them $30 per summoner per season. And multiply that by every player that would do that and you have a lot of potential money being lost. A player's champ preference can change all the time, so you could simply refund a skin for a champ you don't play anymore, and get one for your new champ. Where as without the refund, you will most likely buy the skin anyways.

The Amygdala3 votes

Having a refund is a courtesy from their part, they don't even have to do that. RIOT is a business, they'd lose money if they kept refunding your bad buying decisions every season.

Azure Hamster3 votes

I've never felt the need for a refund in this game.

K543 votes

3 refunds seems a little excessive. I own every champ, a lot of skins, but I wouldn't rewind any of them. I mainly only cycle through about 20 - 30 chamois regularly, but I just prefer having those other options. It's champs I never use at all that I end up with in ARAM, then actually end up being effective with them when certain ranked matches call for them. Specifically when I'm last pick.

Now I save money waiting for new skins, or gifting newly level 30 players who impress me with their gameplay.

Crowe Stalker3 votes

No matter whether you think it should be Three Refunds per Season or Three at Creation with One per Season or even '1 Refund for X amount of RP' I think we all have to agree, the ability to have more refunds than the Initial Three would be something the entire community would be very thankful for.

Dio ßrando3 votes

For the fairness, only 1 refund a season. I think 3 is actually way too much.

jDiosama2 votes

lol, Riot doesn't even care, and silly yearly threads like this won't change that

Chicken4dinner4 votes

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lol, Riot doesn't even care, and silly yearly threads like this won't change that

Riot always cares, the community made this game possible and is the thing that is keeping it going.

I'm not saying that they have to care but most rioters started off playing the game before they moved to riot

Shut up Ordis2 votes

What about 1 refund every new season, regardless of rank or # of wins or games? Refund of only RP or IP, not real life money.

Lhostalis2 votes

I think it should be 3 refunds a season... Every month is just excessive.

Sluiceway2 votes

I upvoted, but I want to add this as a condition: in general, it is a good idea to wait for a free week and try before you buy (since LoL does not have a test mode). On the other hand, the refunds should be for RP as well as IP purchases and have no time limit on them in case of a ill-informed and poorly executed rework (Soraka, for example, which I would refund the IP I bought her with and the RP I spent on the Celestine skin, which I would happily use two of my three refunds to accomplish - this also could serve as a more reliable feeback tool than the boards: if they see a spike in refunds for a reworked champ, they may reconsider).

Ahri Body Pillow2 votes

When I was new I refunded Jinx once and Taric twice.

Rito pls help me

Soulstorm102 votes

This post in a nutshell:

"Riot please give me another chance because I fucked up and I'm incapable of realising my actions have consequences"

VAJAYJAYSTANK2 votes

or how bout they made a champion/skin shitty and i no longer like it

ihaveapotion1 votes

Sion for instance. I own 3 skins of him and i dont like what he is now, i cant play him for shit and dont want to. So i pretty much lost all the money i put into him.

VAJAYJAYSTANK2 votes

thats a legit reason

GigglingAngel2 votes

It's not gonna happen.

League of Potato2 votes

I'd even be content with just 1 refund per season

Doctor Lee2 votes

I agree on this matter. I don't see what's so taboo about having a few strikes at the chance of refund, it's not like they're losing money, it's just giving another chance to somebody who didn't feel satisfied about a skin or champion. It's also unfortunate for me because as a newbie (and other newbies that made the same harsh mistake) I refunded an IP champion (forgot the specific) and they were pretty much all IP refunds. They can also lower the time period to exempt refunds (90 days to 30 or 45?), I wouldn't mind a single bit for a 1 month seems like enough to determine if I like a champion/skin or not.

Embertine2 votes

I would be okay if we could either purchase refunds, (riot would still get something out of it) or if we could get free refunds annually.

Im Andru2 votes

purchase refunds

Literally what's the point

Shirei Spirit2 votes

1 a season is good. they can stack up. I feel like three per season is too much.

UltraFireFX2 votes

I agree with this because at the end of the Day, it's not sending money to your bank account, you're still going to need to spend it on League of Legends...

pE4CbxDPQO2 votes

Second highest upvoted NONRIOT RESPONSE thread on the boards. What is higher? The exact same thread.

Huncho Houdiní2 votes

I think this should be put into action because of the fact that when people first start the game, they foolishly waste their refunds like a lot of us have done.

Everelda2 votes

you guys try this every season i think by now riot wont do it

RebirthAngel2 votes

3 refunds per season is waaay to much. IF they plan on doing anything, thye should have 3 initial refunds, with 1 refund fill every season, up to a max of 3.

Banana 18 Bro2 votes

2 years after, Riot hasn't implemented this. Make this thread has 30,200 upvotes instead.

AmazingMorf2 votes

For goodness sake i was cho gath top ap-tank and i had illaoi against me that ult destroyed me.Nerf her please or just make it not to heal her when she hits you with a tentacle

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