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"There is so much ** that needs nerfs I can't believe they didn't nerf anything"

Ahristocats··64 votes·5,722 views

"but I say that every single patch"- Qtpie

https://youtu.be/7j7peqm63Fs?t=12

exactly how i feel

malzahar got a nerf on his ult after 1 year recently ardent took i don't know how many months to be fixed twitch was never nerfed alistar is like beyond any stupidity even above zoe or vayne but meddler thinks that he doesn't have a blitz lvl of impact

Snowballing is going to be fixed -5 gold on triumph

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

the only real thing that will get fixed in next patch is vayne ult nerf

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/grid/ https://i.gyazo.com/d299e709caf5a51f4c101a3460d7bee8.png

what the hell should you understand from balance when jhin is garbage, jinx is decent, and jinx gets a major buff+a major nerf revert??????????????

what the hell should you understand when brand gets his passive damage doubled because "lol dft got removed" and end up broken tier in this patch?

patch after patch everything i see is massive powercreeping brand becoming broken jinx will become broken nothing will be fixed except vayne Nasus has 53% win rate and 10% pick rate but it's fine better nerf blitzcrank and heimer

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Penns75 votes

Nasus has 53% win rate and 10% pick rate but it's fine better nerf blitzcrank and heimer

https://i.gyazo.com/eed590c1d3e5790eac379dd6518f882f.png :]

Oxyrotten13 votes

And that is exactly why he has received sooo many indirect buffs. Skin sales.

Fairyfleur4 votes

And I suppose the ten or so other champions who didn’t or aren’t getting buffs before their upcoming/recently sold skins just don’t exist?

Oxyrotten1 votes

There are six skins planned for release currently.

WW got a rework and several direct and indirect buffs. (Also fits holiday theme) Nasus got several indirect buffs, already mentioned. (Also fits holiday theme) Lux got several direct buffs.

Xayah got several direct buffs, also was released with less skins than standard. (Also fits holiday theme) Rakan got several direct buffs, also was released with less skins than standard. (Also fits holiday theme) Gragas got direct and indirect buffs.

Thanks for playing, try again. :)

Edit: Can't forget Jax, who received several direct buffs and indirect buffs.

Ahristocats4 votes

oh that's a funny game allow me to try it

where are ww direct buffs? and indirect buffs too i wonder about them where are lux direct buffs? where are xayah and rakan buffs?

all those champions got touched 8 months ago ww never got any nerfs or buffs since release gragas got buffed indirectly from tanks getting +15%attack speed buffs but he took attack speed runes so it didn't matter nothing changed additionally buffs or not gragas is one of the most underplayed champion in the game atm, and no buffs are planned for him

Oxyrotten2 votes

[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GtgsZ2e3,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-13T20:42:18.696+0000)

oh that's a funny game allow me to try it

where are ww direct buffs? and indirect buffs too i wonder about them where are lux direct buffs? where are xayah and rakan buffs?

all those champions got touched 8 months ago ww never got any nerfs or buffs since release gragas got buffed indirectly from tanks getting +15%attack speed buffs but he took attack speed runes so it didn't matter nothing changed additionally buffs or not gragas is one of the most underplayed champion in the game atm, and no buffs are planned for him

Come on man, I really need to google things for you? That's not how this game is played.

WW: buffed base AD, buffed base Armor, also received indirect buffs through nerf of bramble, and several indirect buffs through rework of masteries. Lux: buffed base HP, buffed scaling HP. Xayah: buffed base AD, buffed base Armor, buffed Q, buffed E. Rakan: buffed base AD, buffed Armor, buffed W, buffed R.

GGWP, sorry about your team.

Edit: I forgot Lux also got an R buff.

Ahristocats4 votes

lol you do realise the base stats buff of preseason is powercreeping because everyone gets buffed at the same time? which means nothing changes?

this game made my night thanks

Oxyrotten1 votes

But not everyone makes the same uses of the universal buffs (which aren't all universal).

Which means a lot changes.

Maybe practice bots before playing PVP?

Divewing5 votes

The argument was fine until you brought ww into it.

Stop grasping at straws

Oxyrotten1 votes

Are you seriously saying WW playrate, winrate, tier ranking, and viability hasn't increased since his rework and all of those statistics have not steadily rose with each patch that comes out?

Who is grasping at straws now?

Johnaldinho10172 votes

So you have a problem with his rework then? I hate ww rework and realize I'm in the minority there but that's not a direct buff and he hasn't been buffed since. His increase in all of those things was caused by people having more time to learn him or to other champions falling in and out of meta that he can perform better against. So since his rework he's really had only indirect buffs which if your goal is to say that they buffed him for skin sales than why would they do it all indirectly through things like jungle meta changes. Thats such an invalid ideology and I'm not saying riot won't make buffs to sell skins but as far as ww goes saying he did is ignorant.

no to toxic20 votes

Another skinn for furry wankers. [zombie-brand-clap]

IvernBramblefoot7 votes

[{quoted}](name=no to toxic,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GtgsZ2e3,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2018-01-13T13:01:15.388+0000)

Another skinn for furry wankers. [zombie-brand-clap]

FURRY WANKERS! :D

ChiTenshi2 votes

Nah, we waiting for the next Ahri skin (giving it 2 patches til release)

NineTailedMystic1 votes

But Ahri isn't furry.

Terozu1 votes

...cant tell if trolling or just ignorant.

NineTailedMystic1 votes

Ears and tail(s) != furry. That's considered kemonomimi.

Terozu1 votes

Kemonomimi is a subclass of furry. If they have any animalistic features they're a furry.

NineTailedMystic3 votes

https://i.imgur.com/y7sxJel.gif?noredirect

Sure, bud. You think that.

Tomoe Gozen4 votes

It's very clear you don't understand what a furry is. And it's not anything with a fluffy tail(s)/ears.

Swarovsko20 votes

alistar is like beyond any stupidity even zoe or vayne but meddler thinks that he doesn't have a blitz lvl of impact

"you don't need to play the game to balance it", so what were you expecting? Actually good and competent gameplay designers? I stopped expecting competent designers a while ago and so should you. The balance team is only good at filling patch notes with words just to make it look like they're doing something.

Ahristocats23 votes

even hashinshin said that the patch notes were terrible but he gets memed on

now qt is next to say it

i wonder when the balance team will realise that there is a problem or they realised it and can't manage to fixe the issue

Swarovsko12 votes

They buffed Ornn's E when he was a living cancer top and everyone knew he needed nerfs, but the balance team still buffed him because they don't need to play the game to balance it. They considered buffs for Syndra and not for Viktor who has been in an awful state ever since they nerfed item 3116. Are not capable of seeing that Jinx doesn't need buffs but rather other adcs need nerfs Literally tried to make Janna interactive with a 18 cooldown on her shield, it sounds like a joke but it's reality (and as a Janna main I actually stopped being interactive lmao. I used to shield myself and auto/w now I can't do that because if I do they'll poke the shit out of my adc for the next 18 seconds "we won't nerf Twitch he's only good in soloQ" meanwhile they almost deleted Sona from the game by overnerfing the shit out of her and her masteries (ofc they had to nerf Sona and then LATER scorch, aery, manaflow band, kelpto and everything Sona is using, what a joke we're living right???) even tho she barely gets played in both soloq AND competitive and is garbage in both expect in soloq bronze elo where people barely know how to move their champions

I used to defend Riot with "they're humans they make mistakes they can't make perfect patch notes" but now... jesus christ they're simply incompetent.

NineTailedMystic3 votes

Because Hashinshin is a meme.

Daddy Ants12 votes

Jhin is garbage because tanks are relevant.

RainbowIcee11 votes

He's not garbage.. i think he's fairly balanced. I would hope they don't buff him, just nerf everything else.

Daddy Ants7 votes

{quoted}

He's not garbage.. i think he's fairly balanced. I would hope they don't buff him, just nerf everything else.

This meta just doesn't suit him.

He just doesn't have the kit to kill these big tanks.

He's not a tank killer and until tanks like Leona, Alistar, Maokai and Shen aren't meta Jhin won't thrive.

Numbers wise he's balanced, yes.

koshkyra9 votes

I thought j was the only one who thought nasus was fucking broken, i feel better now

WrÆth6 votes

what the hell should you understand from balance when jhin is garbage, jinx is decent, and jinx gets a major buff+a major nerf revert??????????????

Wait, hard pause. What the fuck? Where have you been for like, the past month. Jhin is SO much better than jinx right now, its not even comparable. Jhin finally got a fucking keystone that actually makes sense, and Jinx's only keystone got nerfed. Also, in a sudden impact/domination meta, pretty much none of the good masteries make sense right now on her. Jinx is just utter garbage.

However, on a side note, I do think that the buffs are a little too much.

But that doesn't mean that you can take a champion with a 15% pick rate in silver and compare that to one with a 9% pick rate in gold, and than try and justify one being more op because winrates.

Ahristocats6 votes

{quoted}

Wait, hard pause. What the fuck? Where have you been for like, the past month

the past month?

We're playing TODAY FRIEND, we're not playing in the past month Jinx has right now in 8.1 50% win rate 9% pick rate

and you want to buff her? meanwhile jhin has 46% win rate cait has 46% win rate ashe has 46% win rate

and your choice out of all adc is to buff a 50% win rate 9% pick rate champion [sg-lux-2]

LethalTempo Jhin5 votes

I am going to play devil's advocate here (I am a Jhin main, so take it with a grain of salt).

I believe Jinx needed something, but the stuff she is getting is propably way too much. Then again, the question is how much of that sentiment comes from Twitch/Tristana/Vayne strength.

Do I believe Jhin himself needs buffs? Not necessarily, but the problem is, Jhin is getting hammered with indirect nerfs since the start of the preseason

There are 2 ways how to fix this:

  1. Change his passive scalings -> Make him less reliant on stacking AD and give him more incentive to build crit item 3006 don't really have to feel like a dead purchase only usable if you are getting out of control.

  2. Tiny cooldown/base damage buffs, I would look for cooldown buffs rather than damage (because sooner or later, lethality will be broken again, and Jhin got nerfed to the ground with the Riot special last season).

Craft Zeppelin4 votes

Jinx is balanced at 50% winrate. She does not need anything. Jhin is in need of buffs because he legit doesn't have a keystone. He just has meteor because of how the sorcery tree has flat AD and how he is inconsistant using electrocute. Even that meteor usually gets blocked by a tank.

It is getting beyond the matter of just some mediocre number twiddling. Because the advantage of having a operational keystone and not is a big problem. Give back his ult slows, or ratios on W. Drastic measures needs to be taken at this point.

Thefrostyviking3 votes

Wait on which page and for which elo does Ashe have a 46% winrate?

OP.GG states that she is just over 49% with a respectable 6,6% pickrate-

So while not amazing she should not be bad either? [sg-zephyr]

And it seems like Riot want another hypercarry meta, Vayne,twitch and kog are the top 3 of OP.GG x)

And with jinx being buffed the Quadrality of the lategame carries in the same patch will be complete.

Then they just need to buff the living daylights out of Yasuo,tryndamere, Kayle,ryze, yi and maybe kindred so they can call it a hypercarry meta x)

WrÆth5 votes

She has a fucking 50% winrate BECAUSE she has a 9% pickrate. Of course if you have a low pick rate (9 is quite low for an adc) than your winrate is going to be exaggerated.
Also this 9% pick rate statistic in incorrect. According to op.gg her pickrate is 5.36%, which, by the way, is the second lowest out of 16 ADCs, only second to Draven. And you are actually trying to justify her being strong. Are you joking?

Also on op.gg, her winrate is sitting at a low 49%. This should not be the case, especially with such a low pick rate. This suggests that even people who regularly play her and specialize at her are having trouble making her work.

Meanwhile JHIN HAS THE THIRD HIGHEST PICKRATE OUT OF ANY ADC. It's undeniable that he is at least decent, especially if he is being picked more than 13 other Adcs including tristana, xayah, kalista, miss fortune, and, the board's most favorite champion to bitch about, twitch. His laning phase right now is ridiculously oppressive with picks like Leona, Alistar, Blitzcrank, and Thresh being popular, on top of the base ad and damage he gains with comet. In a meta where it's one shot or get one shot, a champion that can make picks from range and 100-0 squishies is of course going to be strong. He works so well with lethality, and with games ending before 30 minutes regularly, champions never have a chance to out damage his never ending spike of lethality.

I'm not saying he's broken, but to say that an adc with the THIRD HIGHEST PICK RATE is weaker than one with the second lowest is fucking ludicrous.

And if we are actually going to start bitching about Jinx, I'd honestly rather go back to twitch. At least fucking jinx actually takes a while to scale. Jesus...

Never ceases to amaze me what happens when you take all of the low elo community and put them in one forum.

Also, when I said past month, I mean like, the past 30 days in which the meta has been more aggressive (when jhin became powerful and jinx weak). May have been farther back, but I'm too lazy to check. If it helps you sleep at night, 2 months.

The steam life3 votes

9% isnt low my guy

WrÆth2 votes

It is when you realize that there are only 16 viable adcs and she has the second lowest out of all of them.

LethalTempo Jhin5 votes

Jhin finally got a fucking keystone that actually makes sense

Like what? Fucking Comet, that is not even reliable for Jhin (you are only guaranteed the proc from rooting or hitting ult)? The only reason Jhin takes Comet is that the minor runes in Sorcery tree are still good worth taking. Jhin is one of the most indirectly nerfed champions in this preseason (just think about, first Aery, then Celerity, then Scorch, Manaflow Band, Coup de Grace, Sorcery tree AD). There is another nerf to Coup de Grace btw.

Jhin fell from top 5 ADC (that wasn't because Jhin innately was strong, it was runes that he used were very strong and synergy with the meta supports (but that doesnt say much when alistar/leona synergise with basically everyone), 2 oddball supports Jhin worked very well with were MF and Xerath) to a troll pick in basically 3 patches.

Even befour Relic meta started at the start of the year, Jhin was around 47% in plat+ and dia+.

He was even supposed to get buffed shortly after preseason started, but then keSPA cup happened (like I dislike that thought process, but I understand it).

Jinzo Torrance5 votes

Brand broken? 51% WR, 6%PR both declining = broken tier?

Ahristocats12 votes

he has 54% win rate mid lane

also his total %pick rate is 9%

Jinzo Torrance3 votes

Which sites shows a 54% winrate AND a 9% pickrate?

Ahristocats4 votes

i said TOTAL % pick rate not midlane pick rate

http://champion.gg/champion/Brand/Middle

brand became so oppressive, i can't wait for you to play against him

just because he had 48% win rate he needed buffs? give me a break let's buff ornn because he has 48% win rate too

chipndip16 votes

[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GtgsZ2e3,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2018-01-13T14:33:15.661+0000)

he has 54% win rate mid lane

also his total %pick rate is 9%

He actually doesn't on Lolalytics...

I NEED HEALlNG5 votes

Heimer well deserved that fucking nerf and you know it. don't forget about leona

GayFluffyUnicorn4 votes

It's legit insane how people try to defend that champ. Was playing urgot in a normal into a bronze 2 heimer. Obviously i lost. 4 AAs to kill one of his turrets or a Q and two AAs to kill ONE turret. Until my CDs are up he puts up another two turrets. While i try to kill him getting creepblocked and being stuck in this f ucking lane he just walks around and i die. Worst part is his ult turret slowing.

Craft Zeppelin4 votes

The pantheon class zero-counterplay toplaner. I seriously agree so.

The only reason why he was not nerfed was because of "population". Like do you think I give a damn about that lmao

Jinx Hunter5 votes

Looks like the mods are deleting Rubrick's stuff again. They sure love to pick on him.

Ahristocats7 votes

correction: i'm deleting my own stuff to avoid having problems with them

Acheron164 votes

Because a couple of reasons:

  • Balance team is a bunch of monkeys balancing, sometimes they get shit right, most often they don't
  • Jinx is insanely popular and they want her to be played in pro games; as of right now, she's too level gated, becoming a win-more champ (not saying this is correct or anything, just stating their reasons)
  • Jhin despite also being extremely level gated (he's very realiant on abilities and attack speed per level) doesn't get such favouritism, despite clearly being the fairest marksman in the game.
GayFluffyUnicorn5 votes

Sometimes the balance team remembers me of that one south park episode about family guy that a dolphin just pushes three balls randomly to choose the jokes coming up in the next episode. That's how i imagine balance team. They throw a coin buff/nerf and a randomly throw balls with champ names on it into a machine and whatever comes out happens.

EinarUlfar2 votes

The sad fact is the balance team doesn't want an indefinitely balanced game.

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