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I just can't play League anymore....

Ahristocats··306 votes·25,918 views

https://i.gyazo.com/b63d58f4037dc09ab1eae900037b5348.jpg i am profoundly shocked to what happened to the game i loved. It's no longer possible to enjoy league i am writting this in attempt to make people realise what happened to the game, in attempt to relax my feelings and the feelings of friends i have that are in the same situations. I played this game during s1,s2,s3,end of s6, and now the begining of s7 where the fun has been removed in every single of its aspect

1. Lethality Anyone remembering armor pen breaking the game in season 6? I ask because i don't, was it too strong on come champs? maybe, were you forced to play a lethality champ almost everywhere? i am a hundred percent sure that the answer was no, just to start with ADC where twitch jinx vayne ezreal cait were as much picked as jhin and varus. Lethality is disgusting, not just because of damage creep but because if you don't play a lethality champion you're going to get destroyed unless: -they don't snowball the early game with a miracle -your champion is insanely broken They have a thousand billion of movement speed out of combat making them snowballing so easily, they have so much damage, they have broken actives and their build path is so fcking busted, if you're playing TwistedFate against kha+talon you just can't counter them while having your core build, you can't build you core items item 3100 item 3285 while you need item 3157 to survive(hahahaha) and item 3135 to counter their insane amount of magic resistance

Why the fuck Top lane Talon has 52% win rate? a pick that handicappes your team by the lack of tanks, a pick that can't use his roaming if he goes toplane has 52% win rate? isn't this saying something? pick 5 carry team, don't give a fuck about tanks and win the game? seems legit man

2. Edge of the night Out of like everything i hate right now, this item is the source of at least 50% of my hate 3 or 4 edge of the night in the enemy team, what can possibly go wrong? give mr because why not doesn't have any drawback offensively the most bullshit idea i ever saw in my life, no removed item can compet against this design. A shield that you choose when to have unlike item 3102 , you can choose whenever you want to have a shield and then jump on an adc. Can you just imagine playing Thresh against this? because i can. Every single spells have between 0.5 and 0.75 sec windup but it's ok because not only you wasted your spell but you also wasted a fucking long time to break the shield when Talon Shaco Quinn Graves already removed your adc from the game an item preventing completly a player from playing is such a nice concept, it's so fun to play TF into this and having no word on what happens to you because of that stupid spellshield on mobile+burst champions

** 3**.Insane snowballing Tell me that i'm imagining this. Tell me that this point isn't true When in season 2 you had as much comebacks as snowballed and stomped games here let me give you an example: game that snowballed https://i.gyazo.com/b9111b94f262a698990a82fe89382445.png

game that was intense and had a comeback https://i.gyazo.com/d50366d2e331681fccecfc3e0d96f679.png

stop dreaming of comebacks now, because the only factor that is going to make you comeback is the enemy team being dumb as hell and not closing the game quickly OR playing very badly while being drunk "but rubick, what did league have before for comebacks" something called late game League of legends used to have this thing called late game, Late game no longer exists, laning phase ends at 8 min, towers drop too easily the game ends at 20 min

you had good late game champions, and bad late game champions it's extremely simple. renekton used to fall off, darius used to fall off, lee sin, gragas(full ap), leblanc talon and almost every mages, almost every bruisers (except those who had strong AA like olaf). Almost every champions who didn't fall off were hyper carries like gangplank and marksmen Riot made almost every champions not falling off in late game anymore, you have item 3071 giving % armor pen, renekton doesn't fall off anymore, he can combo an adc and delete him from the teamfight it's so fucking sad (i'll show later in a video)

But even if you reached late game? what happens? it happens that as an adc you don't have the time to do anything, teamfights are closed in 10 sec you couldn't do your no-limit DPS because mages could do an entire rotation and close the teamfight making them not falling off in late game

Do you know that thresh has 3 sec cd on his hook if his Q is rank 5 with 40% cdr? "but that means thresh is insane in late game and almost no support can outscale him!!!" Yeah, too bad teamfights end when he landed 2 hooks, making support malzahar as good as him in late game while bullying the lane against almost everyone

4.short teamfights Do you have any idea how this shit removes the fun of the game in any aspects? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOc09vzfbJk You played 45 min in a game, you worked 45 min to have? 5 sec of fun? ? ? With renekton killing varus in 2 sec, Renekton who used to be tanky as hell in late game while doing almost no damage is now dropping in 2 sec while killing someone in 2 sec

https://youtu.be/6T7ZaamsPuk?t=2938 THIS is what a late game teamfight is supposed to be you have to choose your target carefully, you have to NOT suicide like vayne did when they had an assassin(fizz)

all of this no longer matters, you pick whoever you want and kill him in 2 sec do you need a brain anymore? you don't you just need 2 hooks of thresh and let your team doing the insane effect of damage creep

how THE FUCK DID THIS HAPPEN? this was a dota2 thing, this was NOT league when you had people telling league players to play dota in 2012 they would answer immediatly "not fun when everyone gets oneshot" yet dota2 has now 1 min duration teamfights.... this is why riot never buffed every champions, they feared powercreep and morello himself said it

5."But Rubick, season 2 was also imbalanced there were kassawin X Y Z" Season 2 wasn't perfect but i'm pretty sure it had less issues than now. While it had overpowered champions as always like urgot jayce and release Diana(rofl) one can argue that it had less overpowered champions than now. there were enough ban for you to enjoy the game

Champions aside it had issues that riot took care effectiveley, i'm thinking of oracle elixir that was so bullshit, and the tier 1 boots that were needed at level1, and Marksmen itemization that had a very low diversity Some gameplays were extremely boring, and "no-skill" watching old gangplank pressing E then rightclicked and pressed Q made you see that, same with old vladimir's E and yorick But what's the point of fixing yorick if 5 months later you release Camille ? what's the point of making gangplank fun to play when Malzahar is transformed into one of the worst gameplay ever that removed all the fun of playing him?

this is why i'm attached to season 2, because i don't see improvement when we did worse things than the good solutions we brought And this is partially due to items, items made everything items had strategy involved aside marksmen, tons of aura that made high elo players seperated from low elo players

WOTA gave a stackable AURA of AP+spellvamp, was it too op? no, was it op on vlad? yes. it made supports building if it fit well with their comp because of its low cost Stark gave a stackable AURA of lifesteal+reduced armor of enemies, was it too op? was only built in late season 2 on supports Frozen heart had a decent aura of attack speed reduction that was later nerfed, and the item stats+cost was ruined

aren't you getting that those items were core for long duration teamfight? And defense, defense actually allowed you to have long duration teamfights

https://youtu.be/WlXo-67JYyk?t=2471 300 armor 200 mr warwick, managed to tank a lot of damage for his team with just 2400 hp but still died in the end by gangplank WITHOUT last whisper

https://youtu.be/WlXo-67JYyk?t=2587

full tank mundo manages to tank an entire burst of xerath+warwick+nocturne+ashe, still died WITHOUT item 3123item 3165 if it were in 2017 he would have died in 0.5 sec against Warwick Ashe Nocturne Xerath

Why the fuck did you nerf armor? hp? mr? did anyone see someone achieving 200 mr except those **** assassins/lethality abuser? why did you remove wota aura? stark aura? atma? force of nature?

https://i.gyazo.com/3e9cbfd6de8f28eec0f9cb866f6a5fda.png "tanks shouldn't tank in late game"-xypherous flexible items you say, it's indeed flexible friend with item 3068 item 3065 built on every tanks to do billion of damage in mid game while falling in late game because of retarded tankiness system

i don't know what to say, i can only hope that league return to what it was: -strategy -fun let's wait tank update...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FCKdtM_zOk

334 Comments

Ethan Allen72 votes

And the real kicker is that riot will not make any massive changes until at least the spring split is over. So that means we're stuck with this crap for at least 2 months

Korijenkins41 votes

I actually feel like they don't do enough changes in individual patches. Idk about you but where theres 134 champs or however many there are, changing 11 in a patch feels fruitless. Especially when many of the changes that are done are so small they're effectively insignificant.

Hammermancer13 votes

i get where youre coming from, but if they tweak one champ that affects 3, which affects another 3

Earl Eulrich13 votes

dunno, all the present problems had pretty much already been there S6 and Riot deceided to make S7 just more of that crap instead of trying to fix it - so i´m really not confident S8 will suddenly make them realise the game once had been about strategy and mechanics, not just the later part...and that´s what drew people to the game to begin with.

Kirius Dark7 votes

Edge of Night was not there in S6 which is a major problem that invalidates entire champions while letting others do whatever they want without having to make a risk/reward decision

Nameless Voice4 votes

One thing that I especially dislike about the direction of League is the shift away from strategy to place more emphasis on mechanical skill.

Yes, that's a personal preference for sure, but I got into League from playing strategy games like Starcraft 2. One of the things that initially drew me to it was that it was focused more on controlling your one character well, rather than on pointless APM. (As a comparison, SC2 has a lot of mechanics where the interface is intentionally left awkward so that it requires more APM to play effectively. It intentionally uses APM as one of the primary skill factors instead of strategy.)

Sure, there's always been a bit of mechanical skill required (last-hitting, for example), but I felt League had the two in a better balance in early seasons, whereas now it focuses too much on the mechanical to the point where fast button-mashing can often negate strategic play.

Bronze II Yasuo 22 votes

I get dumping a huge patch on pros might be stressful but who said being a pro player was going to be easy? Riot said they don't like making these big changes because it'll disrupt players which is a low key lie because of LCS because even Regi talked about patch timing.

But the question is, is Riot really going to let the live game go to shit just to sell out for a couple of hundred pros? This game has had a snowballing issue since 5.22 and the fact Riot sees no issue is completely dumbfounded heck I even remeber during last years mid season update they said they were fine with the games state. Lmao what a joke. Guess they really don't seem to care as much for live server and will do anything to make LCS even better.

MrWasjig5 votes

But the question is, is Riot really going to let the live game go to shit just to sell out for a couple of hundred pros?

Yes, and they've been doing it for a significant amount of time now.

SwiftKitten8844 votes

i read the whole thing... and i agree

Spoofghoul31 votes

I fully agree i had much more fun in seasons 3/4/5

season 6 was bad

and riot just made everything even worse in season 7

apparently they don't like their jobs and are trying their hardest to make everyone quit the game, its the only logical explanation i have for the situation

Freljord Emperor18 votes

for me, everythings went downhill after the juggernaut patch at the end of s5. i remember reading these huge bulllshit number like "darius gain +200 ad" and i thought "wtf are they doing? "

Theorchero16 votes

Honesty...

this is because Riot REFUSES to admit they fucked up, and they NEVER REVERT CHANGES.

EVER.

IF Riot would man the fuck up and start changing what needs to be changed and if they fucked up, say oops and revert, then we wouldn't keep having these problems where they try to change other shit to undo what they changed to begin with. This is why league is so fucked right now.

6Sfool15 votes

I agree. I want to play league right now but I'd rather watch paint dry than subject myself to the terrible reality of this patch (and this season). Every rework they do excites me, but every new champ is broken af. Every solution they have has massive drawbacks that they could have easily forseen and fixed, but instead ignore. The game is getting worse, and polishing it will not fix the core problems of these recent metas.

LatetotheRace15 votes

Honestly I'm infuriated with the balancing team. I said at the beginning of the season they were just going to bow down to the casuals and make "exciting" "fast-paced" gameplay the featured aspect of this alleged long-run strategic and thought out game. Nope, we're smite now... greaaaaat. They should have known better than trying to copy a copy of themselves. but nah, ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY CASUAL!!!! FFS riot, I'm just about at my wit's end here.

Raoul14 votes

I wanted to downvote when I read the title, then I read the text and decided to upvote, because you are right.

Candoodle14 votes

For me the jungle diversity this season has also just been so dumb

every single balanced change they've made have made the only viable junglers more viable while making the ones who struggled less so

and it all began as a dumb af attempt to balance ivern after trying to give the camps more identity with the krugs raptor fiasco

want to play a tank jungler? hahahahahaha have fun trying to clear the camps with more small creeps on krugs and raptors while riot also removes gromp poison buff. Was ok for a while when raptor were worth peanuts since you could just flat out ignore that camp the first few clears but now it's either pick a assassin with good clear jung or watch as you get out farmed AND out ganked.

GigglesO13 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Sona x Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dydXjv21,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-02-22T12:43:35.824+0000)

Why the fuck did you nerf armor? hp? mr? did anyone see someone achieving 200 mr except those **** assassins/lethality abuser? why did you remove wota aura? stark aura? atma? force of nature?

But bro, how would you enjoy the game without getting one shot killed, and 20 minute games?

TBH I remember a time where the attitude of the game was never surrender, never give up. There was almost always a chance at a comeback if you turtled. Now, sometimes I can't even flash to the other side of my tower before I die from full health....

Ahristocats12 votes

look at the videos of season 2 imagine playing in those games and controlling champions like nocturne warwick corki ect.. in their respective game

you won't oneshot anyone and yet you will have so much fun, at least i would because you outplay people you have to choose your targets, but positioning well (though corki W was too much forgiving) all of this made you realise that you were playing so well which brought satisfaction

unlike where i played thresh, landed 2 hooks died for my team and teamfight ended in 10 sec

this is how my mind is working right now

GigglesO10 votes

I know, cause I've been here since season 1... I miss actually being tanky with mundo. You could chase down a vayne, not kill her, but chase her down if you had enough tank stats. Now, I dare not even look at vayne.

TheSingularity8 votes

That second part bought back fond memories.

I used to be like that. Surrender? YOU WON'T TAKE ME ALIVE!!!!!!!! As i split pushed endlessly with 5 fully stacked bloodthirsters on mah kog maw. At that stage only ap yi or kassadin could stop me. All the while my buds broken af fiora ult stalled the push for days. 4v5's weren't even an issue cos we were all so god dam bad at this game XD but that's what made it fun.

Good times.

But now..... if they have kill+tower lead at 10 min I just give up. It isn't up to skill or decision making. It's up to you out stat checking the enemy team of 4 lethality champs.

TyrekGoldenspear12 votes

Dang dude, sorry you feel this way.

Hope things will improve.

Lakega12 votes

I've been saying this since Season 3, when they started nerfing towers, removing late game, and saying "Turtling is a bad mechanic and punishes good teams"... uwot?!

Every change you've described, I've said it's a bad move, and I get jumped on by the community calling me a scrub.

So pretty much.. I told you so..

Riot couldn't balance a brick on flat ground.

Korijenkins11 votes

You're master tier and I'm not. However I did play this game as far back as season 3 and I can say without a doubt that it feels much more fast paced. I'm not going to go to in depth as to what I mean by that but I will say that the game has reached a point where even a misstep of a few units of distance for a millisecond can cost you your life. My biggest real complaint is that the traditional adcs have been abandoned in favor of attack damage mages.

ZT Xperimentor11 votes

More or less spot on sadly. Why wait 10 minutes in queue when the games are decided in 5? How do you expect to have exciting gameplay when teamfights are over in a few seconds? What hallucinogenic drug are they on, thinking the game can be balanced with increasingly exaggerated changes?

GigglesO8 votes

Had a game that was 2/10 by the 5 last night.... and that was a low kill game...

Teslyn11 votes

yup not getting my end of season reward this year. Due to lack of caring about rank.

FalconPawwwwnch11 votes

Season 2 was still the best competitive time of LoL in terms of playing the game bc every class was viable except a few assassins

That should really speak volumes

WiegrafOfValor10 votes

Thank you for saying everything I wanted to say.

Taliyahc9 votes

Petition to put Dr sona x rubick on the riot balancing team, game might actually not suck for once

Ahristocats9 votes

If it actually happened, i would do anything to get back old teamfights which means: -removing/reworking masteries to stop damage creep -getting old itemization back(except some exceptions like marksmen)

overall combining old itemization with the new gameplays of riot like darius gangplank vladimir sion ect... (except malzahar) would be a dream

kolpy998 votes

I played literally the day the game came out of beta and personally I feel the game is at it's best right now. I'm sure you're writing this post after some bad game where you got stomped, well guess what, that happens. The majority of my games still last 50 min+ with comebacks swinging nearly every game. Yes, the game has changed, I'm sorry you can't play 2011 LoL, but if you're playing today and still expecting that then that's your fault.

EDIT: Yes lethality is broken, Riot is looking into it. It's not something they can just hotfix, it's something they have to test and work on.

Ahristocats9 votes

{quoted}

I played literally the day the game came out of beta and personally I feel the game is at it's best right now.

then tell me why? i wrote this entire thread showing concrete examples of the problems versus what was the game before

{quoted}

I'm sure you're writing this post after some bad game where you got stomped,

I wasn't stomped, but not only i got demoted from 300 lp master to diamond 1 i don't hide it but i also played pointless games that brought me no fun, i legit spammed soloq and had not a single fun out of it

then i tried to understand why and when i looked at the replays i understood why when i remembered how the game was

{quoted}

The majority of my games still last 50 min+ with comebacks swinging nearly every game.

Riot's website (i don't remember the name) showed the average duration of a game is 28 min in master

{quoted}

Yes, the game has changed, I'm sorry you can't play 2011 LoL, but if you're playing today and still expecting that then that's your fault.

i can't play 2012 LOL i could in 2013 else i would have stopped

i don't want to play 2012 LOL, i want to play a fun LOL, and 2017 LOL isn't fun

{quoted}

EDIT: Yes lethality is broken, Riot is looking into it. It's not something they can just hotfix, it's something they have to test and work on.

I figured it yes, i hope they remove edge of the night and it isn't subjective because other items were removed for things that weren't worse than this

Count Zubat8 votes

I played the game from mid season 4, the season I enjoyed the most was season 5, up until patch 5.16 (Juggernaut Update), it was a great season. Quite a lot of metas went through and none of them made me wanna stop playing league. The best moment of season 5 for me was 2-3 last patches before 5.16, from then on, it just went downhill. I pretty much stopped playing league at the end of season 6, it hasn't been fun playing league for me since then, I thought it can't go even worse, and from what I see, it actually went, GJ Rito for fucking up your own game.

Neru848 votes

The fact that you cant play your favorite champion without getting flamed it sucks

BALDG1VEN BOOMER7 votes

[All] Fnatic Cyanide (Dr Mundo) WHO IS THE **** WHO KEEPS TAKING MY RED [All] Fnatic Cyanide (Dr Mundo) pussies

Classic

MinaZer06 votes

tankiness ISNT supposed to trump damage, ever, if it were, there would be teams of solely tank champions and the games would be decided in champion select, currently however I can agree that tanks do lack what tanks are supposed to do and be.

I didn't bother reading the rest of it because all it was is opinionated regurgitated garb that I've seen over and over again addressing basically nothing.

Things evolve and adapt over time, you're complaining about change.

Also don't start a thread with "I just can't play league anymore", then end with "lets wait tank update", you sound like an addicted creaton.

Ahristocats25 votes

[{quoted}](name=ILittle IMonster,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dydXjv21,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-02-22T13:08:13.675+0000)

tankiness ISNT supposed to trump damage, ever, if it were, there would be teams of solely tank champions and the games would be decided in champion select, currently however I can agree that tanks do lack what tanks are supposed to do and be.

and why not sherlock? tankiness was behind damage in season 2, but that didn't make bruisers dying in less than one second, that made them resistant and usefull

and they didn't replace ADCS

[{quoted}](name=ILittle IMonster,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dydXjv21,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-02-22T13:08:13.675+0000) I didn't bother reading the rest of it because all it was is opinionated regurgitated garb that I've seen over and over again addressing basically nothing.

you said so, you must be right

[{quoted}](name=ILittle IMonster,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dydXjv21,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-02-22T13:08:13.675+0000) Things evolve and adapt over time, you're complaining about change.

things evolve, and sometimes it just remove the fun of the game

[{quoted}](name=ILittle IMonster,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dydXjv21,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-02-22T13:08:13.675+0000) Also don't start a thread with "I just can't play league anymore",

i start a thread with whatever i want

[{quoted}](name=ILittle IMonster,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dydXjv21,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-02-22T13:08:13.675+0000) then end with "lets wait tank update", you sound like an addicted creaton.

dafuq?

Best princess EU16 votes

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Akairishu6 votes

This man is a hero. I'm so sick of this season and is not even half of it. All these items changes are just annoying the fuck out of me. I'm a Riven main and yeah of course lethality is good on Riven but I 100% dislike it. Recently I played her against a guy that just went Riven and he build lethality the first thing he said is "why you got colossus are you stupid? lethality is so broken" It pissed me off so much I didnt build any lethality item on that game cause I couldnt I had to build in a different way in order to be able to do something. I carried that game so hard with my none lethality build and it was very satisfying. Honestly just by removing edge of night everything would be fixed. (sorry for my english)

Dominick Destine6 votes

I tend to agree.

S6 was MUCH worse only because Dynamic Queue ruined the game, so S6 is the worst season.... however, we now have solo queue and what is ruining the game runs even deeper. I still don't think it's as bad as S6 because putting a 5-man organized team against 1-1-1-1-1 unknowns was a whole new level of bullshit.... but now it's more palpable and consistent, as if they wanted to ruin the game in retaliation for our victory in recovering solo queue.

Basically Riot needs to bring back Morello because Meddler and his team are actively ruining the game.

MaeDoSan5 votes

Just want LOL to be what it was before , fun to play

Dracocrash5 votes

remember when we had the spellvamp jungle item, and every jungler including BRAND JUNGLE, was viable.

Candoodle7 votes

now it's pick assassin with good clear or watch as you get outfarmed and out ganked

I haven't seen a single non assassin jungler this season the krugs/raptor changes combined with the subsequent balancing fiesta around their xp and gold to balance ivern (instead of just adjusting the champ himself) has fucked over the jungle for so many champs

Ivar The Pwnless4 votes

The problem is that they forced the meta into teamfighting only. Back in season 2 you could splitpush turrets while facetanking them...NOPE...not anymore...we are going to force you to teamfight over and over....which kind of defeats the purpose of SOLO QUEUE to begin with. And the worse part...LCS forcing all this on us is even more boring to watch when there is a meta...because we've always gotten to see the same picks and bans game after game. Every season those picks change, WOW GJ!

DorkunedAuras4 votes

Ok Rubick. If you're leaving this game, LEAVE. We don't need yet another over dramatic post about how League is shit now by some player, who goes on to keep playing it, like a hypocrite. If you really are going to say "I can't play league anymore", THEN STOP.

I'm gonna get downvoted to hell, because I know you're the patron saint of the incredibly ignorant gameplay boards and all their saltstorms. But for fuck's sake, don't be another one of those peope who says "fuck this game, oh brb my queue just popped".

Llehctim3 votes

Isn't this guy an actual studying doctor? Yet he puts this much focus on a video game? Bit disturbing

2Charmnot2Charm2 votes

stop dreaming of comebacks now, because the only factor that is going to make you comeback is the enemy team being dumb as hell and not closing the game quickly OR playing very badly while being drunk

Hasn't that always been the case? You don't make come backs by doing nothing, you make come backs by abusing any mistakes the enemy team makes [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Ahristocats11 votes

Nop, turtling and waiting late game

watch the M5 vs CLG EU if you don't believe me and they didn't do any mistakes

SlaktarTasken21 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Sona x Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dydXjv21,comment-id=00280000,timestamp=2017-02-22T18:00:52.279+0000)

Nop, turtling and waiting late game

watch the M5 vs CLG EU if you don't believe me and they didn't do any mistakes

The irony of Riot balancing for LCS, the riskier they make the game, the more conservatively and safe pro's play. I've seen this tendency for years and am amazed that Riot still doesn't see it.

AMYS GRAVE8 votes

Holy shit this ^

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