Like, I can be 11/1/15, carrying like crazy and people will get all bent out of shape if I buy a second Zhonyas on Fiddles. Like, my bad that their ad carry is the only person on the team with more than 3 kills and none of them are building mag resist. I carried you to victory, just shut up and let me do it please :D.
EndlessSorcerer2 votesZhonya's is still gold efficient even without the active and I wouldn't fault you for buying two of them, but it is rarely the best option in any situation.
I would probably have recommended using that 3000 gold to purchase a Void Staff and a Chain Vest (which could later be built into Randuin's Omen). You get slightly less AP, but you have the same armor and 35% magic penetration. This would probably have scaled better later in the game and prevent them from building magic resistance against you.
Nucleophilic atk1 votesWell, I didn't buy a void because they had mag resist and it was already late game. so, couldnt buy void and best xD
TheHobbits1 votesFear of the unknown is what makes us human, but when people break the meta, they get angry because they dont understand.
I sold my hydra and bought an executioners calling versing mundo, singed and voli. My team said "its such a wasted slot. Just buy a GA" I then shut down their regen and we won
Drukyul3 votesI sold my hydra and bought an executioners calling versing mundo, singed and voli. My team said "its such a wasted slot. Just buy a GA"
The problem here is that your mages weren't willing to buy a Morellonomicon. Exec should never need to be bought because the mages should be taking care of it.
BlackMambo001 votesThe biggest problem is that alot of people think there is a "right way" and a "wrong way" to build for every situation. I Played AP Xin for a long while because it was fun to spam dashes that allowed me to two shot the carries and tear through tanks building armor. Got alot of flack for it because it is not, technically, the "best" way to build xin. The people who whine the most are usually not pleasant to begin with though.
Chaotic Reks1 votesMundo does what he pleases... you're not mundo
Klax002saur1 votesAs a general rule you do not build items that have useless stats for your champion no matter how good they are.
For example, you would not build Frozen Heart on Riven, even though the 100 armor, 20% CDR, and attack speed slowing aura are great stats, the 400 mana is completely useless. Therefore 1/4 of the item is useless to you and not worth the amount of gold it takes. Randuins Omen is a better choice.
Building 2 Zhonya's leaves you with a completely useless stat. It's a waste of gold because it's not worth the 3k you paid to build it. If you need armor THAT badly, build a Guardian Angel or a Thornmail honestly.
That being said, if you are Fiddlesticks and their ADC is killing you, just fear her and kill her instead. If you are carrying it is up to you to deal with the enemy teams carry. Do not engage unless you can kill them first, or at least incapacitate them during the fight.
EndlessSorcerer1 votesHonestly, Frozen Heart is probably a bad example for this, as it is cost efficient even without mana.
Sometimes, you can justify buying items with useless stats because they still synergize with you very well or suit the situation. As examples, Liandry's Torment on Mundo (who was one tiny AP ration), Nashor's Tooth on Azir (when his solders don't apply the on-hit effect), and Wit's End on Irelia (when the magic resistance reduction only affects her E).
Klax002saur1 votesHonestly, Frozen Heart is probably a bad example for this, as it is cost efficient even without mana.
Sometimes, you can justify buying items with useless stats because they still synergize with you very well or suit the situation. As examples, Liandry's Torment on Mundo (who was one tiny AP ration), Nashor's Tooth on Azir (when his solders don't apply the on-hit effect), and Wit's End on Irelia (when the magic resistance reduction only affects her E).
You should always ask yourself WHY you are building an item. The answer should never be "well because it's good" or "because i need that one stat." You need to maximize your potential in the game to be the biggest threat possible.
I would NEVER buy liandry's on mundo. There is pretty much no reason to ever do that. You are a bigger threat by having HP/MR/Armor from an item rather than the slim dps buff.
Nashor's on Azir is viable imo and infact i do build it on him, but the damage on hit is not completely useless. It's just not used as much.
As for the irelia Wit's end thing, i don't understand your point. You can use it on her, but no way in hell should you build it against her. Unless you are magic damage auto attack dependant (like warwick?) BOTRK would be a million times better than the minor MR debuff you'd bring to the fight.
EndlessSorcerer1 votesThe purpose of my initial reply was to provide another perspective on your claim that "as a general rule you do not build items that have useless stats for your champion no matter how good they are." I tried to do this by providing exceptions to such a rule, where champions benefit enough from an item to overlook some near useless characteristics.
Liandry's Torment isn't core on Mundo, but it constantly procs from your W and does double damage when they are slowed by your Q. The health and magic penetration helps too. Situational, but it worked for an example.
I never said to take Wit's End against Irelia, and I'm not quite sure how you came to that conclusion. My point was that Irelia doesn't really do enough magic damage to deserve buying Magic Resist Reduction, but she benefits enough from the attack speed, on-hit damage and MR on Wit's End to buy it anyways.
I never said that Nashor's Tooth wasn't viable on Azir. My point was that he doesn't usually make use of the on-hit damage on Nashor's Tooth, but he still benefits enough from its other stats to warrent purchasing it.
Klax002saur1 votesThe purpose of my initial reply was to provide another perspective on your claim that "as a general rule you do not build items that have useless stats for your champion no matter how good they are." I tried to do this by providing exceptions to such a rule, where champions benefit enough from an item to overlook some near useless characteristics.
Liandry's Torment isn't core on Mundo, but it constantly procs from your W and does double damage when they are slowed by your Q. The health and magic penetration helps too. Situational, but it worked for an example.
I never said to take Wit's End against Irelia, and I'm not quite sure how you came to that conclusion. My point was that Irelia doesn't really do enough magic damage to deserve buying Magic Resist Reduction, but she benefits enough from the attack speed, on-hit damage and MR on Wit's End to buy it anyways.
I never said that Nashor's Tooth wasn't viable on Azir. My point was that he doesn't usually make use of the on-hit damage on Nashor's Tooth, but he still benefits enough from its other stats to warrent purchasing it.
A "general rule" is a rule that can have exceptions. I wrote it that way intentionally. You need to build your character to optimal performance as i previously stated. Wasted stats are wasted gold. Your 16000 Gold build could be more like a 13000 Gold build due to wasted stats. This is not from me btw, this is advice from diamond+ streamers. Take what you will.
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Just an fyi, Mundo's Q procs liandrys. It has no wasted stats, But as previously stated, not generally a good idea.
I said i didn't understand your point on irelia. Wit's end is arguably good on her because there are NO wasted stats. Wit's end STEALS magic resistance, it doesn't just remove it from your opponent, it gives it to you. If you're facing an entire team of AP champs, go for it. You need to build to counter your opponents.
I never said you said that. I said I think it's viable on him meaning I think it's a good item, It for the most part has no wasted stats. You can still auto attack and deal damage with it if you run out of soldiers or are out of range.
You need to read and really understand what i'm saying. You've responded in ways that indicate you completely overlooked parts of what i said. (I only ever mentioned I like the idea of Nashor's on Azir, I said previously Wit's End on irelia isn't a terrible idea, and I never said liandrys was core on mundo.) I try to cover all possiblities in one response so don't miss anything.