Level 3 Veigar needs to be tweaked I think

Stephenizgod·Jul 20, 2019·1 votes·1,087 views

I did not realize lvl 3 Veigar could 1 shot level 3 units with his ult. I had a poppy with Warmogs and the Dragon claw or whatever and he 1 shot her with his ult. Every time he ulted one of my units died (with the exception of my Lucian which was weird...), and it was impossible to kill him because of his Gnar and Lulu which basically negated any attempt at hitting the Veig. As far as I know, not many champions are capable of just erasing a champion every few seconds, so this was pretty shocking. Even knowing he could do that, there was nothing I could have done. It was too late to spec into something that could hit him reliably (I was Noble Knight Gunslinger).

Until it gets addressed, what are somethings I could have done here? I tried to go for Guardian at the last second because it was flooding me with Leona and Braum, but it didn't help. I guess an Aurelion or Varus would have been good if I could get a level 2? I'm not sure how to handle level 3 Veigar.

9 Comments

PorglitJul 20, 20191 votes

Your intuition about long range spells is good. Aurelion, Varus, Karthus, MF, or something like that. It always helps to have Sorc as well, but no guarantees on that.

This is more a weakness that I've found with the hard frontwall of a Noble Knight combo; They're amazing at staying alive, but they can't make their way to tbe backline carries.

StephenizgodJul 20, 20191 votes

MISS FORTUNE!!!! AAAAAAH I forgot she existed!!!! Noooo she would have filled out my comp with Gunslinger and has the long range aoe damage. Wow im dumb, that would have been the difference i think, if i could have rolled for MF i could have won.

I think next time I will go Noble Knights Sorc and get A Sol, or i could go for Varus but i think A sol is better.

hrooza dota Jul 20, 20191 votes

veiger insta kill all lower stars units so a 3 star veiger will one shot any 2 stars unit, the reason your lucian was not killed is most likely because he is 3 stars and the rest are not.

also nobles/guardians are no match to magic damage as they give armor not mr so they are hyper weak to any magic damage, and your comp was pretty heavy defense wise but garbo offense wise that veiger can ult multi times.

StephenizgodJul 20, 20191 votes

My poppy was level 3, my Darius was level 3, my Morde was level 3. You are right he didnt 1-shot them, but he did enough damage they died instantly. Every time he ulted, one of my units died. I realize now its because Lucian was in the back that he didn't die immediately.

Yea Noble Knights was probably not the best comp against him, although i was 1st and had 60+ Health on him until it was just me vs him. I agree with no damage, but I think even more damage wouldn't have helped. He focused heavy on defense too he just had his Veigar which was obviously destroying my team. I think long range damage would have been helpful though, like a Varus or A Sol. My lucian and trist dished out a shit ton of damage, just not on Veigar.

hrooza dota Jul 20, 20191 votes

then they stacked heavy ap into him or had a shrink item on one of their units since poppy with dragon touth will be extremely hard to kill with magic damage , if they had the ap then its like how AurelionSol can two shot whole team or Akali one shoting things every half second [i throw her in a non assassin comp and she steal dealt the most damage lmao].

tbh how much hp in late game dont matter much if the other person comp hard counter yours.

StephenizgodJul 20, 20191 votes

oh i forgot about that item, it could have been that then. Seems the opponent was getting very lucky with it though if it was that one item. I mean he had Guinsoo and I think Rabadon on his Veigar + 6 sorc.

hrooza dota Jul 20, 20191 votes

thats a lot of buffs on veiger, he would deal 2k+ damage with those on 3 stars units

Panthaz89Jul 20, 20191 votes

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My poppy was level 3, my Darius was level 3, my Morde was level 3. You are right he didnt 1-shot them, but he did enough damage they died instantly. Every time he ulted, one of my units died. I realize now its because Lucian was in the back that he didn't die immediately.

Yea Noble Knights was probably not the best comp against him, although i was 1st and had 60+ Health on him until it was just me vs him. I agree with no damage, but I think even more damage wouldn't have helped. He focused heavy on defense too he just had his Veigar which was obviously destroying my team. I think long range damage would have been helpful though, like a Varus or A Sol. My lucian and trist dished out a shit ton of damage, just not on Veigar.

His base dmg isn't high on his ability they had to shrunk by a cursed blade in order for Veigar to gib them which might have been on a tristana near him or on him directly the only other possibility is if he had 3 deathcaps or something but even then a lot of other sorcerors are way deadlier with that because Veigar only hits one unit.

StephenizgodJul 21, 20191 votes

I just confirmed today that level 3 Veigar will randomly 1-shot level 3's with his ult. I had a Veigar and no item that shrinks and I 1 shot their level 3 A sol and level 3 Lulu. it didn't do it everytime but when it did, I won immediately.