It seems like once the glacial comps get rolling there’s actually no way to stop them. And if they get a frozen heart as well there’s actually no way to deal with them whatsoever.
My intention isn’t to complain, but to learn if there is a way to deal with a glacial comp. And if not, I wonder when we might see glacial getting toned down?
peacepagoda7 votes[{quoted}](name=Pierce The Veal,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=K1ZiV%%%,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-27T14:50:07.921+0000)
It seems like once the glacial comps get rolling there’s actually no way to stop them. And if they get a frozen heart as well there’s actually no way to deal with them whatsoever.
My intention isn’t to complain, but to learn if there is a way to deal with a glacial comp. And if not, I wonder when we might see glacial getting toned down?
Its overpowered, needs a nerf.
Pierce The Veal1 votesSounds about right.
Intocabille4 votesI hope nothing changes... it is so much fun just watching your whole team get slaughtered while they just stand there
Yes, salty much. Because it feels like you have to always build against glacial because someone is sure to have it, no avoiding it.
Pierce The Veal2 votesYeah. If you don’t build against glacial and if one person gets it you auto lose against them.
ƒ b3 votesYou sit there stunned permanently as your team gets melted without doing a single point of damage for the entire round
hrooza dota 3 votesglac comp in a nut shell is those 2 
, i won against them or lost with them by either killing ashe early or silencing/CC/killing sej before her spell cast .
imo they should release an item or change a current item into an anti CC item.
Pierce The Veal1 votes[{quoted}](name=hrooza dota ,realm=EUNE,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=K1ZiV%%%,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-07-03T11:27:14.500+0000)
glac comp in a nut shell is those 2
imo they should release an item or change a current item into an anti CC item.
Volibear is also an extremely strong champion. He procs glacial on many targets and does a lot of damage while being a tank.
hrooza dota 1 votesvoli need to many items to be viable imo, i never seen a voli do anything out side of 5+ items voli
Pierce The Veal1 votes[{quoted}](name=hrooza dota ,realm=EUNE,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=K1ZiV%%%,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-07-08T00:38:33.849+0000)
voli need to many items to be viable imo, i never seen a voli do anything out side of 5+ items voli
I’ve seen him chain stun multiple people without any items, but additionally when built with 2-3 complete items he can in theory destroy a team, considering he procs red buff, titanic hydra, and runaan’s hurricane on every bounce of his ult. I’d argue he’s very underrated and there’s a reason he’s consistently high ranked if not even occasionally S tier on various ranking charts. After giving ashe attack speed and maybe a shojin and giving sejuani as much mana as you can, he’s the best candidate for remaining items that don’t fall under these categories.
hrooza dota 1 votesi mean he need to be ranked up high and need a lot of luck to chain stun multi champs [as he lack an attack speed buff like ranger ashe]
him being the 3rd best glacial is not amazing thing imo since the other ones are either rare to get to 2 stars 
or just garbage out side of synergy giving 
i think he is fine as he is now , he can be nonsense but at least need investment , not this nonsense that need to be rank 2 only [you dont even need items on here most of the time, one ulti is enough] she should be the first to get nerfed of any champion imo
ChaosReyn1 votesStop speaking ill of the demon bear. >.>
ChaosReyn1 votesThey should change redemption to cleanse when it drops. Then it'd be worth making.
hrooza dota 1 votescleanse on it wont do much unless you time it perfectly with sej ulti , they will just stun your unit back up.
tho redemption need to deal damage like real game.
we need some sort of tenacity item tbh
Pierce The Veal1 votes[{quoted}](name=hrooza dota ,realm=EUNE,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=K1ZiV%%%,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-07-03T11:27:14.500+0000)
glac comp in a nut shell is those 2
imo they should release an item or change a current item into an anti CC item.
Braum giving 80 armor when paired with a leona as well as volibear being able to stun a whole team while Anivia is slowing attack speed by 50% at level 1. Aside from lissandra (who helps get elementalist early and cheap), all of the glacial units are incredibly useful.
hrooza dota 2 votesthey just got heavy buffed [and bruam thorn mail is a big deal now] but funny enough i still saw 1 full glac who got out pretty quickly so i still think that going ashe/sej into whatever synergy you are going is way better then full glaciel.
or simply 
full gun slingers for ultimate nightmare.
Xhaiden2 votesHere, 6 glacial units (maximum bonus) - yet i finished in 5th place.
https://i.imgur.com/xu5tjQ5.png
WIthout 3rd tier upgrades or lucky drops - a comp of assassins can take most units down in 2 - 3 strikes. There's very little time for freezing the essential units - and even you manage to do that you need enough damage to take them down (or some of them will 1 shot you as soon as they unfreeze). The 6 glacial bonus looks nice on paper - but late game this proved to be a weak mix. It's better too have only 2 glacial paired with heavy damage dealers.
Pierce The Veal1 votesI mean the same goes for pretty much every composition. Having low tier units too long and too far into the game will cost you the game, regardless of tier.
There’s a difference between really getting glacial and forcing glacial comp for the sake of having glacial, and at the cost of unit tiers.
Xhaiden1 votes[{quoted}](name=Pierce The Veal,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=K1ZiV%%%,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2019-07-09T13:24:25.267+0000)
I mean the same goes for pretty much every composition. Having low tier units too long and too far into the game will cost you the game, regardless of tier.
There’s a difference between really getting glacial and forcing glacial comp for the sake of having glacial, and at the cost of unit tiers.
If you check above screenshot - the units of the one who finished 1st place - were almost the same tier as mine (one unit tier 3 + five units tier 2 + one unit tier 0 / while i had only four units tier 2 and two units tier 0 + tier 3). Tho, he went for Assassins + Phantom and i think he was also luckier in terms of drops.
Pierce The Veal1 votesIf you check above screenshot - the units of the one who finished 1st place - were almost the same tier as mine (one unit tier 3 + five units tier 2 + one unit tier 0 / while i had only four units tier 2 and two units tier 0 + tier 3). Tho, he went for Assassins + Phantom and i think he was also luckier in terms of drops.
Him having pyke (likely with shojins) and assassins plus phantom makes the difference. Your sejuani being level 1 must have also been a big hindrance, and without ranger or something to make your ashe faster you would have had a hard time.
It’s worth noting that everyone above you either had more level 3 units than you had or had more upgraded higher tier units while #1 and #3 notably had multiple synergies going for them.
It’s not that any completed glacial comp is OP, it’s that any completed glacial comp takes a somewhat disproportionately stronger comp to be defeated. Like I am willing to bet the JuliusCaesar guy would have had you beat if you had went for a different comp with otherwise similar tier and level champions
Anyways. I find that glacial comp is more op when you replace anivia and/or lissandra with frozen mallet rangers or something along those lines. Frozen mallet cho’gath, gnar, kindred, leona word notably well. Or you can opt to replace someone like braum for a third elementalist with a brand/kennen. If you opt for kennen you get more cc, but if you opt for brand you can also go for a partial synergy with either darkin spatula item or a final demon.
hrooza dota 1 votesimo its pretty bad to rush 6 glac, its better to get the best 2 first and then focus on whatever build you are going at
ex : 
and then go after 
if you want more glac
Xhaiden1 votes[{quoted}](name=hrooza dota ,realm=EUNE,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=K1ZiV%%%,comment-id=000b0001,timestamp=2019-07-14T04:20:09.558+0000)
imo its pretty bad to rush 6 glac, its better to get the best 2 first
ex :
It's almost impossible to rush 6 glacial (or at least very rare). That's possible only close to late game - and that's when 6 glacial prove to be kinda weak (compared to other champ mixes).
hrooza dota 1 votesya 6 glacial is pretty overrated
its better to just go 4 rangers 2 glaciel the attack speed on will perma CC the enemy team better then the 6 glaciel comps
Xhaiden1 votes[{quoted}](name=hrooza dota ,realm=EUNE,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=K1ZiV%%%,comment-id=000b000100000000,timestamp=2019-07-16T14:11:55.572+0000)
ya 6 glacial is pretty overrated
its better to just go 4 rangers 2 glaciel the attack speed on
Tried that. Lost to 6 x assassins and 3 void units. My range units died almost instantly. :|
hrooza dota 1 votesassassin void is one of the strongest comps too , you cant win all.
my experience with that comp was almost always 1st~3rd place [because sometimes you fight that assassin comp or 3 locket 6 sorc comp]
Bregan1 votesspreading out, burst damage, and taking out sej and ashe. if you're spread out, fewer people will be hit by stuns and stuff, or at least hopefully SOMEBODY is unstuck and still doing SOMETHING. i feel like i dont really see glacial teams that much, but when i do see them, the only time they are a problem is when im behind.
Pierce The Veal1 votesspreading out, burst damage, and taking out sej and ashe. if you're spread out, fewer people will be hit by stuns and stuff, or at least hopefully SOMEBODY is unstuck and still doing SOMETHING. i feel like i dont really see glacial teams that much, but when i do see them, the only time they are a problem is when im behind.
I find glacial teams coming back from behind and just wrecking other teams through sheer stun locks. Lots of people don’t realize that volibear, for example, is op and has his ult actually chain the on hit glacial proc to multiple units. Braum makes it harder to kill their units “fast” as you say. And the fact that they can add a single unit for their 7th unit to instantly get another synergy (brawler/ranger/knight/ guardian/elementalist) makes their team comp all the more variable and hard to deal with. Add on the fact that giant’s belt is not really a good item otherwise, making the best use of it a 6th glacial unit, and you have a nightmare on your hands. Glacial teams seem to have the most build variety out of all the other teams. This is not to say they are unbeatable, but if they get some attack speed they become a lot more oppressive than other team comps. There is no way to block the cc chain as you can stun people even when attacks “miss,” making t take a lot more effort and luck to beat this comp than other comps.
Bregan1 votesstunning even when attacks miss seriously needs to go. THATS something that needs to change for sure.
Titanium701 votesBeefy Frontline - High DPS backline is what works for me best.
Glacial has massive DMG issues which is why a Cho or your own Seju can tank for ages. Them positioned in a way their Seju/Ashe Ult doesnt reach your DPS Champs and you've got a free win.
(And let's be honest here - outside of a 3 Item Voli - Glacial6 has not single decent Champ outside the ones I mentioned. It's Seju, Ashe + some minions!)
Pierce The Veal1 votesBeefy Frontline - High DPS backline is what works for me best.
Glacial has massive DMG issues which is why a Cho or your own Seju can tank for ages. Them positioned in a way their Seju/Ashe Ult doesnt reach your DPS Champs and you've got a free win.
(And let's be honest here - outside of a 3 Item Voli - Glacial6 has not single decent Champ outside the ones I mentioned. It's Seju, Ashe + some minions!)
But this neglects that frozen mallet easily makes up for these weak champions, which builds out a giants belt that is otherwise not that useful aside from morello’s and maybe titanic hydra and spatula, which isn’t that hard to get. This also neglects that this comp is already strong at 2 units, and basically becomes ridiculous at 6 units where every other auto stuns (and ashe will have an easy time stacking guinsoo’s in such a drawn out round). The only somewhat weak units in glacial are lissandra and braum, neither of which actually that weak. Add in a single unit with glacial and you also have elementalist, ranger, guardian, brawler, knight (which is admittedly meh). Something I see often is glacial kindred with a mordekaiser on top of 5 other glacial champions, getting phantom, ranger, glacial, and knight bonuses in play. While it is true that the damage that this team has is not much compared to other comps, the reality is the damage isn’t actually that much worse than other comps, meaning a full glacial team, given similar items, usually beats most other full x team compositions, especially if they are able to lock down key units from building mana. Remember that the draven and other units are at least as walled by the glacial team as the glacial team is walled by the blademaster/imperial/whatever team. Blocking mana restoration is huge. Meat shields that never get to use their abilities can end up pretty useless.
Titanium701 votesBy the time you have this dream comp you made up there I can get Level 2s of Swain Karthus and/or Aurelion as well in Shape/Sorcs. Or Imperial/Sorcs with a Kata deleting you entire backline within seconds - given the frontline Tanks long enough for her to charge her mana bar, which is usually the case since even Glacial-Ranger need time to ramp up. And so does Glacial-Ele.
Glacial has ZERO burst. No matter how hard you try. And that opens up so much space you can use against them.
Pierce The Veal1 votesSo what you mean to tell me is a whole glacial comp isn’t going to interrupt your karthus, aurelion, or katarina?
Glacial ranger needs to land 1, maybe 2 autos to stun lock you. And it’s funny that you pretend glacial doesn’t get items. Not to mention glacial ranger is easy to get.
I’m saying this as a guy who consistently goes sorc and wins, glacial is far easier to accomplish and is far more flexible.
I don’t understand where or what your burst concept is of. If it’s damage, then glacial has plenty of it, though maybe not as much as sorc or blademaster.
For a team to burst a glacial team, firstly they need to charge up enough mana to use their ultimates while there are 6 champions on the enemy team that have a 45% chance to stun on *every auto attack,” while having aoe stuns and lots of lockdown ultimates. All it takes to shut down sorc even harder is a dragon fang/hush or a couple demons. All it takes to shut down blademaster is sword breaker (especially on volibear who cna proc it on multiple targets.) A morellonomican/red buff (latter for volibear) on a champion with aoe ultimates will negate much of the noble bonus. Swordbreaker and phantom dancer will also shut down assassin comps hard. Thornmail helps as well. What item do you build to deal with glacial? What strategy can you take?
And this nonsense about “dream comps” lol. 7-8 champions is the natural late game. Having 3+ synergies at 8 champions with one being a full 6 unit synergy is pretty damn strong. If you’re stuck at 6 units you’re doing something wrong.
And I don’t know why you think a 6 sorc comp, a comp with multiple highly contested units: aurelion sol, lulu, morgana, kassadin, is easier to get than a comp where nobody really contests anything. The only champs I have seen people interested in taking where sejuani and ashe, and usually both were because they are the one guy going glacial in the first place. Oh yeah, the karthus on the sorc team is gonna carry so hard, as long as no one sneezes for 5 seconds he can get off one ult that’ll hit 4 targets, or maybe 7 if you manage to get a level 2 that early as you claim, considering it isn’t even possible for him to appear in rolls before level 6.
Oh yes, I forgot, what was sorc comp’s 2 unit and 4 unit bonuses again? Are they comparable to to 25% on hit to freeze and 35% on hit to freeze? Oh wait, I forgot, their buff is 35 AP to everyone... at 3 units. Now your champions deal 35% more damage on their ult if they get to that is! Anyone can start a glacial comp with 2 champions, meaning it’s easy to pivot into or out of glacial if one wants or needs to! And 4 glacials is plenty if you’re feeling like going for a different partial synergy as well.
TL;DR: A) glacial is easy to build into B) glacial requires no commitment and is easy to pivot into and pivot out of. C) glacial teams still build items so it’s not like your fully equipped teams are going to be facing itemless glacial teams. D) end game 7-8 champion teams are the norm, and glacial gets several very strong side synergies if it wants, which usually require only 1 champion. E) the cc with such a team is so huge that there’s no reason why you can’t just add on a no synergy damage dealer as 7th or 8th champ, or perhaps as early as 5th champ considering 4 glacials is when it starts to get consistent. F) Glacial has a tanky team composition while also having high cc, they can stall for a long time. After you somehow manage to hit them enough to get mana, you still won’t be able to burst anything except maybe an ashe or anivia, if your team is smart enough to target them/the glacial dude is dumb enough to misposition them. G) Glacial stalls long enough to make items, effects, and champions that need time to stack take effect, like guinsoo’s (which makes you permastun harder) and gnar (massive extra damage and massive chain cc).
Titanium701 votesYou still don't get my point of Glacials missing DMG. And the consequences that arise from it.
You can put a Cho/Seju (Knights shut down Rangers entirely) right in front of a Glacial team give it what ever defensive lying around and make him Tank for ages. He will stand there soaking up all the DMG and all the freezes because of how fighting and target selection in this game works.
Glacial in no way shape or form can get past such a Tank or two before the opposing team is able to charge up their manabars! They can't kill the Tank and redirect their focus on the Kata before she gets her Ult.
Knowing this all you need now is a Team with very powerfull Ults and guess what - that's exactly what I'm running on a regular base resulting in me having ZERO issues with glacial.
If the Rangers or the Brand or the 3 Item Voli dies Glacial has NO win condition WHAT SO EVER.
Please tell me - how would a Glacial Comp interrupt a 3rd row Champion ala Karthus or Aurelion? How? This guys have problems freezing the second row!
BTW: Sorc6 is a terrible build that runs too many rare/contested Champions and that gets countered by so many comps/Items mostly because they dont have any actual frontline. Sorc3 or less (with a Yuumi) is SO MUCH BETTER. Have a Morgana an Aurelion/Karthus and a Yuumi or an Ahri if you go for Wild and proceed with a Team capeable of using the Sorc Buff such as Swain/Cho/Kata/Brand
Pierce The Veal1 votesYeah I agree about sorc 6 being pretty terrible. If the enemy team has an aurelion shyvana you lose very handily, and you automatically lose to dragon unless you invested in your kassadin. Plus, when I mention a comp I am speaking of the general champions it has plus maybe 1-2 spatula’d champions.
Nonetheless, it’s not hard to get through a cho’gath or any tanky for that matter. A morello’s/red buff makes relatively short work of most front lines.
In addition, sejuani can and does consistently ult most of the enemy team. I have never seen a glacial team have issues freezing a second row.
Not to mention cho’gath is actually somewhat squishier than sejuani until rank 3 at which point he is slightly tankier. Sejuani has less hp than cho’gath, sure, but cho’gath only has 20 base armor and mr while sejuani has 35 armor and 25 mr.
You act as if your team comp will just take out the backline without glacial being able to do anything. That’s a load of nonsense, as if a glacial team can’t itemize to kill your team comp faster just like yours can. Not to mention, with almost any glacial comp, the rangers, usually ashe, have guinsoo’s. Whatever does that mean, you say? That means that she is attacking and therefore proccing glacial and ulting WAAAAAY faster over time.
And I think you are blessedly ignorant of what happens if a glacial team can get some frozen hearts/sword breakers/hush/demons/kassadin. A varus as the second ranger + another demon will burn your mana and leave you unable to regain mana at all because you are stunned and what little you manage to gain is lost to demons. A sword breaker just makes it so you’re unable to auto even when you’re not frozen. Hush makes it so you cannot cast your spells even when not stunned. Just because you’ve faced many mediocre glacial comps with stupid placement and stupid item builds doesn’t mean every glacial player is dumb enough to let you do as you wish.
I mentioned that A) glacial has significant benefits at 2, 4, and 6 units but is flexible enough that stopping at 4 is plenty. B) glacial can and does flexibly run many other units in its comp, the only ones that are hard to incorporate are demons, gunslingers, and rangers. Cho’gath and gnar are pretty common in glacial teams from what I have seen. So are kayle and kindred.
What’s even funnier is when you say glacial is very lacking in damage. Anivia, a commonly underrated unit, deals 700 / 950 / 1200 damage over 8 seconds in a huge area while slowing attack speed by 50% / 70% / 90%. But what’s most important here is that she essentially procs morello on many targets while also making them attack slower which makes it harder to “tank long enough to gain main” because it takes them 2/3.3/10 times as long to auto attack. And she can and does have multiple ults out at once pretty consistently.
It’s silly because you’re just drawing a strawman. “Your comp will lose once its main units are killed.” As if there are comps that won’t lose if you magically kill of their core units like you are suggesting other comps have a way of doing.
Titanium701 votesI actually think it's exactly the other way around - and I think the current meta prooves my point:
Glacial tends to stomp any bad teamcomp and is strong against stupid forms of hyperrolling (where you lack levels and get outnumbered).
Glacial looses to the actual strong Comps. WIld/Shape, Void/Assassin, Different Iterations of Imperial and Sorcs.
And no it's not a strawman pointing out a lack of winconditions. If you have one or two DPS Champs and 100% rely on them being untouched for the entirety of the fight your comp is very inconsistend! The Comps I mentioned above don't have this issue AT ALL. They dont care if one or two important units are cought in a hail of CC!
Considering Anivia - would be an amazing Champion - if her AI would not be Iron4, consistently throwing the ult into nowhere if you dont give her like 4 tears to make her Ult instantly! So instead of one the best she's easily one the worst T5 units in the game... (The only thing that saves her are her traits of Glacial/Ele)
Pierce The Veal1 votesI’ve had terrible experiences playing against anivias with their ais throwing down her ult onto my carries despite the tanks being in front of her. But it does feel like pretty much every unit has bad ai anyway.
Okay I feel like you haven’t exactly gotten what I’m saying. I’m saying that the glacial buff is what’s really strong. Forcefully going for 6 glacials is awful, but getting 2 or 4 is plenty powerful while also building into many other synergies simultaneously. In fact, you don’t even need to get glacial champions, simply getting two spatulas gets you the lowest glacial buff, which on something like wild or blademaster is very dumb.
It feels like aside from maybe nobles, going for any rank 6 buff with just the pre-existing classes is bad. But using spatulas you can get multiple partial synergies and maybe a 6 unit synergy while also having many partial synergies. The issue with glacial is that it is so strong at every level of the synergy. If you have 2 giants belts and 2 spatulas getting 2 frozen mallets is way better than getting a warmogs and a force of nature.
Titanium701 votesSs that's another story! And hints to another problem! Ranger (and Gunslingers as well) are completely busted with On-Hit Itemization.
It doesn't need to be glacial - stack a few CC-Items/Red-Buff/Demon on them and you get the exact same effect.
Glacial still is fine overall. Sure you can run 2 or 4 for an occasional CC but you'll never ever freeze more than two units with it!
Pierce The Veal1 votesYeah, the demon buffs have amplified the issue. Partial demon glacial ranger with elementalist is the most horrifying atrocity I have had to face and between having to waste time killing the elemental, having your mana reset, having glacial proc on you, and having ranger buff killing you fast, there’s little you can do if someone completes that comp (or even just the demon glacial ranger tbh).
I’d add on gunslingers but gunslingers do need more than one spatula item to get a glacial comp really going. Nonetheless if you managed to make it happen it would be busted. If there’s any consolation, if your champ surpasses some “cap” of attack speed, it stops doing damage despite attacking.
Kazymandias1 votesBeefy Frontline - High DPS backline is what works for me best.
Isn't that true against almost any comp?
gonna flex on u1 votesIt'd be nice to see some sort of anti cc effect introduced like 
either as an item or a synergy.
Pierce The Veal1 votesIt'd be nice to see some sort of anti cc effect introduced like
Yeah it would be nice indeed. Right now champions that can spam hard cc are the most broken champions, aside from Draven, Asol, and Swain who just have ridiculous damage output.
Though perhaps nerfing/changing spear of shojin would really mitigate the ridiculousness of cc chaining teams.
Xhaiden1 votesIt's true that Glacial comp can be quite efficient - tho, TFT is mainly about "Luck for drops - be it items or champions". I've won some games with Glacial in the mix - but i've lost far more. Even more than that - i have 100% loss rate with 6 Glacials (all 6 seem pretty weak late game - compared to other champion builds). I kept loosing late game vs heavy range comps. Tho- ("range" not "ranger" - since there were only 2 rangers ( and 3rd tier with 3 major items on them) paired with 
and 
- while 
, 
and 
- were tanking in front. Basically 2 range (25% change to double attack speed)/ 4 Demons (60% mana burn) / 3 Shapeshifters (100% bonus maximum health). Other times i lost vs something similar paired with 2 Dragons (
+ aka Immune to magic damage).
Pika Fox1 votesKill the ashe/anni asap via blitz or assassins depending on positioning, and adjust as needed. Theyre likely low on HP because glacial is a late game comp.
Assassins can one shot even the frontline, so you can get lucky a few times and win
Pierce The Veal1 votesSolid strategy. What happens if they make sure their ashe cannot be jumped/decide to put double shojin on sejuani, making her the center of their team? What if they put their sejuani/braum in the back (in the blitz scenario). Phantom dancer, sword breaker, hush, rapidfire cannon, (makes carries not leave their corner, making them incredibly hard to stun via something like pyke). Those strategies all depend on the glacial team doing nothing to counteract them unfortunately.
Pika Fox1 votes[{quoted}](name=Pierce The Veal,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=K1ZiV%%%,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2019-07-09T03:21:56.269+0000)
Solid strategy. What happens if they make sure their ashe cannot be jumped/decide to put double shojin on sejuani, making her the center of their team? What if they put their sejuani/braum in the back (in the blitz scenario). Phantom dancer, sword breaker, hush, rapidfire cannon, (makes carries not leave their corner, making them incredibly hard to stun via something like pyke). Those strategies all depend on the glacial team doing nothing to counteract them unfortunately.
Pyke will always dash to the farthest unit, so blitz pulling someone across the map will auto force pyke to start traversing the entire map with his ability, which will stun most of the board in a corner setup.
Xhaiden1 votesDon't know if i'm simply unlucky - but i find Glacial units really hard to upgrades (the droops seem really rare compared to other units - like Vayne or most brawlers and wild units). Sometimes i make it till late game - and my Ashe is still tier 1, while the other units are barley tier 2.
jONEZZZ13371 votesImo they should change seju ult/spell to the same as ingame. 1 target immediatly frozen solid, others slowed (AS slow for example).. Would still make it hella strong but not as OP as it is now?
Pierce The Veal1 votesImo they should change seju ult/spell to the same as ingame. 1 target immediatly frozen solid, others slowed (AS slow for example).. Would still make it hella strong but not as OP as it is now?
Yeah perhaps. But Riot has made it clear by buffing half the glacial roster that they really, truly do not care that glacial is as strong as it is.
ZeroSixTeen1 votes6 Glacial basically is better than having you opponent dc from the game. It does not matter what they have or what they do. Permanently taking all of their champion out of play is always gonna be better than anything else you can do. it does not matter how many 3 stars you have, not how good items you have, not what bonuses you have. None of it matters because you have to attack in order to win and 6 glacial permanently disables all attacks.
Pierce The Veal1 votesThis was all accurate but I have only played 2-3 games of the new tft, so idk if anything changed. I don’t care enough to find out, however, as I’ve long since uninstalled (came back for some urf, tried new tft, back to not playing again).
