Zyra's untargetable plants winning her the round is BS

Heckin Support·Jan 2, 2020·35 votes·11,517 views

I just lost a match because even though I wiped his board, the Zyra spawned plants right before she died and my team just had to stand there and die. Feelsbadman.

19 Comments

WoonStruckJan 2, 202017 votes

Tbh spawns should disappear when the champ dies.

Elite4RunnerJan 2, 20206 votes

At least hers

DuskDaUmbreonJan 2, 20203 votes

Why hers in particular, though?

That'd be inconsistent with every summoner except possibly Azir, and his summons are reliant on his attacks.

Either all summoners would have to be changed to follow that behavior, or none of them should be changed.

ThegreatxiuJan 2, 20204 votes

If "Either ALL summoners would have to be changed to follow that behavior, or NONE of them should be changed." is true shouldn't that apply to all aspects of summons. Malz, Zed, Annie all have target-able summons but Azir and Zyra don't. That's a major inconsistency.

InspiringMilkJan 3, 20201 votes

And azir's soldiers do nothing after he dies.

Heckin SupportJan 2, 20204 votes

That would honestly suck for a lot of the summoners. Her's should at least since they don't have health bars and are untargetable.

DuskDaUmbreonJan 2, 20202 votes

Maybe a better solution would be giving hers health bars when they're the only things alive? Changing her to be inconsistent with all other summoners would be...well...inconsistent.

ModThe DjinnJan 2, 20204 votes

At that point, why not go even simpler? Zyra plants are not units. If they're the only thing left on the board, they wither and die. Seems better than randomly giving them healthbars SOME of the time, but still lets them contribute if she died early.

JavelinJoeJan 3, 20201 votes

Hers are time/shot based, where every other summon is health based. Giving them also a health bar is a huge nerf.

Sire HippingtonJan 2, 20205 votes

Imo either summons should die when the last champ dies, ot other delayed effect like brand/sivir bounces should also finish their thing befor the round ends. Same right for everyone.

In any case, i think you should not win rounds with no champion on the board. If zyras plants and co get the counter ace, it should be a draw so neither playeir takes damage.

Economic MigrantJan 2, 20206 votes

Watching a brand ult or neeko bomb hit and do nothing because they died feels awful. I'd rather not eat the damage for all the champs that skill should have just killed.

SyndràJan 2, 20205 votes

I've lost an entire game because of this bs, opponent managed to come back with 1 hp it felt like such a robbery.

The whole set 2 is just bs altogether I just stopped playing it and just afk games for the pass progress. It's way too frustrating and I feel pre-hextech set 1 was way more enjoyable.

Doesn't matter how much they've nerfed the plant damage, as long as they stay alive after she dies while being untargetable and buggy; she will always be an issue and it will always feel unfair to lose because of it

Sirfetchd21Jan 2, 20203 votes

You know what's even worse? Ending the fight in a Zyra vs Zyra duel. It doesn't matter who killed each other first, the only deciding factor is who managed to get plants up last. Complete bs if I ever saw it

Kei143Jan 2, 20202 votes

I would also want them to not count Zyra's damage if she does win the round.

themachampJan 2, 20201 votes

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I just lost a match because even though I wiped his board, the Zyra spawned plants right before she died and my team just had to stand there and die. Feelsbadman.

Summoners are just bad design in general imo. The only one i think is fair and balanced is annie and tibbers ( minus the stupid interaction by making her a mage with 2x cast buff). If you spawn a bunch of lil minions like malzahar the AA champs suck when they attack them while getting hit by the enemy's actual champions. While zyra has the opposite problem of there being nothing you can do against them( her plants) but not having your AA based champions distracted.

ToolmakerJan 2, 20201 votes

The summons have a duration+max attacks, so it is adequate imo.

They should consider allowing ults to cast faster. It kind of sucks when an ult can't go off because the unit dies during the cast time.

Hedge WitchJan 2, 20201 votes

People still play tft?

PhearBunnyJan 3, 20201 votes

Why does only Zyra bother you? There are over 5 champions who are notorius for this. Lucian Yorick Annie Zyra i guess theres only 4, but of them Zyra comes off to me as the least impactful.

If shes maged and itemized she can be scary but shes still just a Zyra.