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So riot is already fucking up this gamemode

Marshbouy··73 votes·15,307 views

Instead of guaranteeing item drops from creep waves and narrowing the item gap between players, they are...

giving you extra gold if you didn't get any items.

who the fuck asked for this.

38 Comments

NTrumpWeTrust27 votes

Riot doesn't seem to understand that getting items is not some pog moment you need to keep hidden from players or it loses how pog it is to get an item. Getting items makes the game fun, and, more importantly, playable. Not getting them makes the game so incredibly stressful and boring. It's not fun having to lose on purpose and hope the carousel rounds aren't trash because you got no items or a negatron cloak and someone else got an IE and a hydra. Put a max on the number of items that can drop so people aren't getting 4-5 and guarantee at least 1 ITEM every pve round, how is this difficult to grasp?

There are some games I'm getting no to very few items so my mindset becomes: "Well, ill just practice for ranked and try and get top 4 because at least then I can climb" Playing not to lose is a very different experience than playing to win. It dampens the enjoyment of the game quite a bit when I know there's no way in hell I'm getting anything higher than 4. I have a feeling the main reason this strat is working for me is because other people don't have that same mindset. Once we're in ranked and there's 4-5 players who are getting fucked by item RNG per game, it just becomes a snooze fest stop-the-bleeding-until-someone-else-dies.

Fix it.

Bregan18 votes

seriously, stop asking for the wrong thing. this "at least 1 item from every pve round" doesnt fix anything. when you allow for other people to still get more than one, but you "at least got one", you didnt actually fix anything. you need to rally for "same item count every round", period. obviously the rng of WHAT item you get is to be expected and fine. the problem is when the COUNT is different. it doesnt matter if the count is different by 4 items or by 1, its a problem. it doesnt matter if one match gives you 3 items from minions and another match gives you 1, the ONLY thing that matters is that every player in a match gets the same COUNT of items.

please rally for the correct fix so that we can all speak with one voice, instead of splitting the vote to "solutions" that dont actually fix anything.

FluffyMcMuffins9 votes

I think Riot is actually just trolling us with this game mode at this point. Having everyone get the same number of items is so obviously the only viable solution to this problem I just can't imagine they don't see it. There's simply no way that their balance team isn't considering that solution. They must just be choosing not to implement it as a method of trolling.

CHODES AND LOADS16 votes

fuck this game mode, seriously. them listening about item RNG was basically the last (only) bastion. the fact that they kept in this trash item rng seals the awful frustration points of the mode. it is one of those games thats fun when youre wide eyed and new to it, and dont understand the cornerstones of the strategy well enough. once you figure the game out well enough to start winning, but get hamstringed by the game facefucking you with zero item drops while some asshole is sitting on two full items worth sitting on his bench before first draft, it is enough to just alt f4.

can you still win when your opponent has double your items?

yeah. i guess. technically. does it feel like youre the fucking protagonist of final destination trying to defy a fate that is actively trying to doom him? yes. its fucking garbage.

dota underlords exists. it has the bonus of being available on my phone as well. i'll just play that.

also props for adding TF to TFT, so we can have more fucking rng nested into the russian stacking doll of RNG that is this absolute waste of potential.

Ephixus5 votes

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fuck this game mode, seriously. them listening about item RNG was basically the last (only) bastion. the fact that they kept in this trash item rng seals the awful frustration points of the mode. it is one of those games thats fun when youre wide eyed and new to it, and dont understand the cornerstones of the strategy well enough. once you figure the game out well enough to start winning, but get hamstringed by the game facefucking you with zero item drops while some asshole is sitting on two full items worth sitting on his bench before first draft, it is enough to just alt f4.

can you still win when your opponent has double your items?

yeah. i guess. technically. does it feel like youre the fucking protagonist of final destination trying to defy a fate that is actively trying to doom him? yes. its fucking garbage.

dota underlords exists. it has the bonus of being available on my phone as well. i'll just play that.

also props for adding TF to TFT, so we can have more fucking rng nested into the russian stacking doll of RNG that is this absolute waste of potential.

That's why I stopped playing TFT after 10 games of miserable rolling dices to get something useful.

Hahaha imagine ranked games for this overbugged game mode :^)

JuiceBoxP2 votes

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Hahaha imagine ranked games for this overbugged game mode :^)

Lol, you're saying this as though ranked SR is not a coin toss of who gets less mentally unstable 8 year olds in their team.

DUDE BRO15 votes

1 extra gold.

I played a game last night where the guy in first place (who already had 8 completed items while I had 4) got 3 item drops off dragon. I didn't know it was possible to get more than 1 item off a monster. But I got 0 and he got 3.

I can't wait for the patch so I can get 1 gold off dragon while the guy with double everyones items gets 3 more!

Marshbouy5 votes

no fucking way

Vah Medoh7 votes

Prepare yourself for the Rankeds on this pure RNG game mode!

I'm so sorry for those aram players that will never get one...

Marshbouy1 votes

I was only OK with ranked given the change to items. Not sure if I'm going to bother anymore.

Vah Medoh1 votes

Not going to play it any more.

I have only played 3 games.

First two, I only got like 2 or 3 drops in all the matches. Who have thought I would end last.

Last game, I had the RNG luck by my side, and could get some items, and champs! But after so many rounds, I only found 2 Ashe! Not a single third Ashe came up, even re-rolling the champs on the store.

This game mode is so disgusting.

Marshbouy1 votes

I've played a lot of games but got pretty sick of how it is "oh, you got a bunch of items? winstreak to end! Oh, you didn't get any items? loss streak until hopefully your economy is built up enough that you have enough power to get back in the game!"

Janakin5 votes

giving you extra gold

giving you a negligible amount of gold

We Are Venom3364 votes

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giving you extra gold

giving you a negligible amount of gold

^ i dont mind not getting items but when i get 1 or 2 fucking gold every pve for the first 3 minion waves while ppl are getting full 2 full item components with that and the gd champ rolls i pretty muich wont win or even place 4th or higher.....

i got 1 gold off the first fucking minion 7 times this morning 2g off the 2nd wave..... WHOOPIE FUCKING DO i get 3g to buy a stupid champ i cant play cuz im only lvl 3 n can only place 3 ppl on the board.....

Tahminatrix 4 votes

Simple solution

Play twisted treelines instead, make riot think players are having more fun with a gamemode they barely touched, troll them back as hard as they are trolling us.

Rhai3 votes

Problem is, then you'd have to subject yourself to Twisted Treeline, which is arguably a fate worse than death.

Mordrdraugl3 votes

How about not playing TFT at all? I played few games when it came out, decided it's dumb RNG and did not play since, today I checked if it got any better and since it's not, screw this mode. On the positive side, thanks to TFT I discovered Dota Underlords. Way more fun at this point. ;)

Tahminatrix 2 votes

I cant argue with that.

hoganftw4 votes

Getting that one gold feels like absolute shit.

Naalith4 votes

Yeah, I've basically been turned off the gamemode because out of the 20 or so games I've played, all but 2 of them I literally just get no items. When I do get items they are of lower quality, I can't make Guinsoo's or other powerhouses and instead have to rely on garbage can items that are in no way balanced to try and survive to top 4. It hasn't been that fun, it's entirely luck based and I get super unlucky in games with heavy rng elements.

ICanSeeUrPixelz4 votes

Yeah, the game is already RNG enough with mystery items. Getting a fucking chain vest while someone gets a BF sword already puts a huge gap between the two players. The only thing worse is not getting anything. A chance to get RNG items is putting double the RNG the game should have.

CTDM golem4 votes

i just played a game where i got 1 gold from first wave . 2 from the second and 5 from the third . i had to go up against people with a tier 2 rageblade rapidfire canon vayne meanwhile i just got gold . this is so mutch worse then before . it would have been good if i was able to use that 8 extra gold but i only got champs that were useless in my comp.

Shmeeve3 votes

everyone who has bad luck with getting items.

Marshbouy28 votes

People have been asking for the item gap to be closed, not to get gold at the end of a creep wave because you didn't get any items.

It's not that hard to implement - riot has already shown that they can do it - but they are too focused on keeping RNG in the gamemode to give bad players a larger chance of winning.

0megon4 votes

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everyone who has bad luck with getting items.

The original idea was they will guarantee you one item per PvE round, but later they changed it to this ,,item,gold or exp" drop guaranteed. RIOT should decide if this is supposed to be fun mode or if they actually want to make it competetive mode. They made ranked, but then they make statements like ,,we want to keep the game heavy RNG so you can have stories to tell to your friends about the huge item drops". I do not think it is really possible to have both.

njrk973 votes

Honestly the ONLY justification i can see for this is to obscure stuff, like everyone asked for it, it was a easy fix, the only reason i can see for not doing it is because if people get more items they might actually realize that there is like 5 good items to use and the rest are basically junk. The more Cracks Riot can hide in the gamemode, the more they can con people into playing it.

Karn Bishop3 votes

The amount of gold it gives is a downright insult as well, here's one gold to make up for not having 1-2 rageblades, oh boy 1 gold with that i'll be able to do.... NOTHING.

Critical Adam3 votes

Getting an item is worth like 20g so why do I get just 1-4 gold to compromise for that... Ridiculous Riot

Jennifer4203 votes

me: are you REALLY surprised. i mean for real are you REALLY SURPRISED AT THIS POINT???

BlownHeadGasket2 votes

This game modes idea is fun, infact its super fun. The problem is its buggy as all heck, champs just sit there in fights, you will keep fighting the same player over and over regardless of the others in game. Trist with a bf sword will die to a trist without one, and etc.... Riot clearly is not thinking about the player base if they release ranked without fixing the critical bug issues first. The AI is so stupid Riot should fire the ones responsible for its failure. Level 2 and people are running around with gold vaynes? The drops are horrible! The is no balance in this at all, its simply luck based with 10% skill. It's imperative they add more champs to the pool, simply because everyone has googled the best comps and that's all you see now. This is simply nowhere near ready for ranked. Personally after playing and winning many matches RIOT IS FULL OF CRAP WITH THE MMR RATINGS THEY HAVE PUBLISHED! But what's new the owners Porsche has a fresh coat of wax on it.

Backstard2 votes

PAY TO WIN trash game from a MONEY MILKING company... Paying customers get boosted while the rest gets trolled by Riot for not paying up. Don't waste your time

Rıots Bad Client1 votes

I dont really like this... But its better than nothing. I hope they allow to eliminate the RNG in items.

So in the first round of minions a person gets 4 items the other person gets gold. And during Golems, the Person who got 4 items will less likely get items, and the person who got the gold will get an item or more.

HelpfulYordle1 votes

Wish I could up vote this 1000x

Janna Me Fiddle1 votes

Okay, gonna play devils' advocate here as someone that regularly top 4's even with the "here have 1 gold and nothing else" drops

Gold is by far the most important commodity in the mode.

No Gold = No Exp push = No Units = No Rerolls = No growth.

The first thing you need to note and make sure to repeat it to yourself "placing top 4 means winning", you are awarded LP for top 4, you lose it for bottom 4.

So one player is on a roll, good items, good win streak, etc. No Biggie, just accept you aren't getting first place and play for second, if you get frustrated/angry every time you don't place first, then this mode isn't for you.

Heck my last game I got dumpstered by someone running the recently uncovered Volibear cheese, he had tons of items, I didn't. Did I complain? No because as far as I was concerned, I had a rough early game, built carefully, invested carefully and finished second, because that's what I was playing for. I built to beat everyone else, I knew there was no way to beat him, only minimize loss damage against him.

It's called Team Fight Tactics I understand the frustration with the 1g drop, I really do, but that 1g can be the difference between a very early interest bonus, or early pirates that can snowball your economy or just getting beat into a heartbreaking 5th place finish because you had no way to recover.

Arpeggio112 votes

Quite frankly, the devils' advocacy isn't really worth all that much. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of us are well aware at this point that top 4 is a win.

It's just not fun to struggle when it feels like everything is rolling against you. The mode itself is not that fun. Quite frankly, it shouldn't have a ranked mode with how it is right now.

Janna Me Fiddle1 votes

Fun is subjective. There appears to be a lot of people having fun, the boards are an echo chamber of discontent these days, so "Vast Majority" is a selective statement too.

Given that its the number one streamed game for the 2nd straight week, has a particularly active Reddit and a busy Social media hashtag. I'd say evidence points to the contrary.

Not to mention, if the discontent was that heavy, wouldn't we be seeing hundreds of upvotes on this thread by now?

Now, I'm not saying the mode is perfect, not by a longshot, there's still major issues with balancing (Cursed Blade Gunslingers and Volibear comps come to mind) there's bugs that need rectifying (Raptors giving nothing, not even gold sometimes) and the Gold amount compensation for no item could do with tweaking upwards to better emphasize the economy advantage you're granted, but this attitude of "It's a failure because I don't like it" is completely and utterly wrong, there's plenty of evidence that it's wrong and it needs to stop.

Marshbouy2 votes

So one player is on a roll, good items, good win streak, etc. No Biggie, just accept you aren't getting first place and play for second, if you get frustrated/angry every time you don't place first, then this mode isn't for you.

No one is saying "why can't i get first every round?????????"

People are saying "why is there a system in the game that can leave me at a massive disadvantage and I have no control over it?"

If you're not going to properly represent people's arguments, don't even bother replying to them.

Sure that "1g" could mean the difference between larger powerspikes, but it could also mean absolutely nothing. 1g when you're already at 10 gold isn't going to do anything. The "1g" that is given is essentially a chance that maybe, just maybe something could happen that would give you a slight advantage.

Any item drop is useful, regardless of the item type. Sure some items aren't quite as good as others, but they are all extremely powerful. Limiting those sets many people up for failure. That shouldn't happen.

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