So deep terror nami was removed from the arbiter program...

Marshbouy·Jul 8, 2016·163 votes·7,406 views

for saying this

The moderators and Riot have very little vested interest in the state of the boards, so reducing that kind of behavior is unlikely to happen in the near future.

There was more to the quote but this was clearly the offending statement. The issue is, THIS IS TRUE. DTN was the only one who seemed to ever moderate. I have spent a lot of time on the boards, i rarely see "the curator" and i don't even know the names of other mods.

Congrats RIOT's mod program. You removed the only mod people cared about. I would curse you out right now but that is far too "unprofessional". DTN was more of a help to players then the curator and others have, and ever will be.

EDIT:DTN was not a mod, but an arbiter. Sorry for the confusion.

116 Comments

DeadlyStalkerJul 8, 201620 votes

To be honest Deep terror Nami wasn't very professional at all. I have seen him trolling popular threads before, i remember there was 1 were he got like 55 down votes.

Its always nice to hear the whole story and not just 1 side.

MarshbouyJul 8, 20165 votes

link?

Laqutis BotJul 19, 20163 votes

I don't even get on the boards often but I have seen his posts a few times being passive aggressive and mocking people.

Cenobite AzazielJul 8, 201618 votes

The guy got bagged for telling the truth.

The boards isn't a place to talk about balance. It is literally a place to vent frustration. Riot isn't a single entity, making it impossible to give player feedback, only present in patch notes. That's why red generally show up to goof instead of pointing relevant things. Silence is gold for riot. See soloq radio silence for months =].

RoodToobJul 8, 201616 votes

I just want to point out, DTN was not a mod. He was an Arbiter.

That just means he was a volunteer for Riot to help explain things to other players. He had no actual control over anything, jus someone Riot identified as a knowledgable member of the community that you could ask questions to

OleandervineJul 8, 201615 votes

"Moderation is pretty lax when they aren't directly breaking the universal rules. Just being annoying isn't one of those rules, so trolls (or just persistent upset and misguided players) can carry on for years and nothing will be done about it. The moderators and Riot have very little vested interest in the state of the boards, so reducing that kind of behavior is unlikely to happen in the near future"

I've highlighted the portion of his statement that is most likely the actual cause of his removal from the program, and not, in fact, the portion listed above. Nami was removed because of passive-aggression towards players on the boards, and implying that the player in question was annoying, and possibly a troll, is no condoned because arbiters are intended to be neutral parties that quote the rules, not pass judgement on players. His statements about moderator enforcement had nothing to do with his removal, so please add all context instead of the bits that you want to use to champion a personal cause.

MarshbouyJul 8, 20165 votes

yeah and the curator went into my account history and used a temp ban i got to demonize me in an argument.

OleandervineJul 8, 201611 votes

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yeah and the curator went into my account history and used a temp ban i got to demonize me in an argument.

That's beside the point and irrelevant to the reason Nami was actually removed. Nami was removed due to not being neutral towards a player on the Behavior boards. Your experiences with curators has no bearing on why Nami was dismissed from the program.

MarshbouyJul 8, 20167 votes

yes it does. it shows that the arbiter and mod system is stupid and biased.

OleandervineJul 8, 201612 votes

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yes it does. it shows that the arbiter and mod system is stupid and biased.

The reason Nami was dismissed is because he was being biased.

XonraJul 8, 20164 votes

{quoted}

"Moderation is pretty lax when they aren't directly breaking the universal rules. Just being annoying isn't one of those rules, so trolls (or just persistent upset and misguided players) can carry on for years and nothing will be done about it. The moderators and Riot have very little vested interest in the state of the boards, so reducing that kind of behavior is unlikely to happen in the near future"

I've highlighted the portion of his statement that is most likely the actual cause of his removal from the program, and not, in fact, the portion listed above. Nami was removed because of passive-aggression towards players on the boards, and implying that the player in question was annoying, and possibly a troll, is no condoned because arbiters are intended to be neutral parties that quote the rules, not pass judgement on players. His statements about moderator enforcement had nothing to do with his removal, so please add all context instead of the bits that you want to use to champion a personal cause.

"arbiters are intended to be neutral parties" Which they have never been at any point, ever because they have always been that level of passive aggressive, and I've seen them be trolly their fair share AFTER they were an arbiter. They basically have no room to talk, which makes this whole situation funny to me.

Angry MonsterJul 8, 20163 votes

that quote is out of context cause nami was reply to this post.

Question, at what point do mods have to look at a user and say you should not be allowed to post here. I am not sure if ###### is a troll or truly misguided, but he refuses to listen and learn. He thinks that he is always right and is constantly down voted and is a know problem child of the boards.

I am all for dissenting thoughts but ##### might as well be a flat earther. Nothing he says ever has evidence and when people try to help him he gets abusive with them.

Can't the boards just say enough is enough at some point? Or does he just get to have a mega-phone to spout his wild conspiracy theories? I think most sane people would agree that their is no debating with ##### and he is just fueling blatant false propaganda, cause no one stops him.

Nami was responding to me calling a player troll. I was not naming and shaming since it was in ##### thread that he OPed and was being him self.

I would link you to orginal thread but since nami removal the thread has been deleted. I edited out the name of the troll

Jesus is SaviorJul 8, 201612 votes

That wasn't all he did.

MarshbouyJul 8, 20168 votes

ok?

Jesus is SaviorJul 8, 201618 votes

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ok?

It was the final nail in the coffin. He was generally unprofessional towards other players. A lot.

I was one of them.

MarshbouyJul 8, 20168 votes

so is the curator? He was a nice dude to me.

Jesus is SaviorJul 8, 201615 votes

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so is the curator? He was a nice dude to me.

TheCurator is an actual moderator. He's allowed to call people out because "the rules" are his job. If he says you're breaking the rules, then you're breaking them - it's not an opinion.

MarshbouyJul 8, 201616 votes

yes, but he also went into my profile and pulled up a recent ban i had gotten (for calling someone who was clearly trolling, a troll) and used it to insult me.

LarryJul 8, 20167 votes

did you tell your mommy about it

MarshbouyJul 8, 201640 votes

nice faulted logic. DTN gets removed for being rude, passive aggressive, and "unprofessional". i bring up a time in which the curator was all of those and you act like a child.

zSkeletoRzJul 8, 20168 votes

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nice faulted logic. DTN gets removed for being rude, passive aggressive, and "unprofessional". i bring up a time in which the curator was all of those and you act like a child.

Don't expect any better from the small children who still play this game.

The only point for Riot to make the changes they've made this season, was to appeal to a younger crowd, who aren't intellectually capable of comprehending their own stupidity. Which is why this game has no serious players. Just kids, wasting their time and unfortunately our time as well. Or am I the only one who has noticed that this game is purely about dragging out matches and pissing off other people?

The games I used to play where everyone had 20 kills and 10-15 deaths in an ARAM, action packed matches where people played seriously, are now nothing more than 20 minute AFK fests. There are almost as many bots playing this game as there are people.

Riot only wants your money, they do not care about you as a customer.

XonraJul 8, 201611 votes

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Don't expect any better from the small children who still play this game.

The only point for Riot to make the changes they've made this season, was to appeal to a younger crowd, who aren't intellectually capable of comprehending their own stupidity. Which is why this game has no serious players. Just kids, wasting their time and unfortunately our time as well. Or am I the only one who has noticed that this game is purely about dragging out matches and pissing off other people?

The games I used to play where everyone had 20 kills and 10-15 deaths in an ARAM, action packed matches where people played seriously, are now nothing more than 20 minute AFK fests. There are almost as many bots playing this game as there are people.

Riot only wants your money, they do not care about you as a customer.

You went off the rails pretty hard with that rant.

Not sure this is the thread for this all over the place rant.

zSkeletoRzJul 8, 20166 votes

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You went off the rails pretty hard with that rant.

Not sure this is the thread for this all over the place rant.

Off the rails? Every point I made is valid to both this thread and his game in general.

The player base is gone and Riot does not care about anything but money.

Which is the purpose of them attempting to appeal to a younger crowd, to prevent this game from dying.

XonraJul 8, 20166 votes

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Off the rails? Every point I made is valid to both this thread and his game in general.

The player base is gone and Riot does not care about anything but money.

Which is the purpose of them attempting to appeal to a younger crowd, to prevent this game from dying.

Your point has nothing to do with the thread. You just started ranting about children, then about riot wanting all your money and some other nonesense. What does that have to do with an ex-arbiter of the boards being passive aggressive and being removed from the program for doing so?

So yeah, you just went off in left field, and continue to do so.

zSkeletoRzJul 8, 20164 votes

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Your point has nothing to do with the thread. You just started ranting about children, then about riot wanting all your money and some other nonesense. What does that have to do with an ex-arbiter of the boards being passive aggressive and being removed from the program for doing so?

So yeah, you just went off in left field, and continue to do so.

I can see it will be pointless to attempt to further discuss this with you, since your only issue is to attack Nami and kiss Riots ass.

XonraJul 8, 20169 votes

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I can see it will be pointless to attempt to further discuss this with you, since your only issue is to attack Nami and kiss Riots ass.

I guess to you "being truthful" is "attacking someone", and telling you that you are ranting about random stuff that has nothing to do with the thread topic is "kissing Riot's ass".

K buddy. You just...keep being logical pat pats and walks away

LarryJul 9, 20161 votes

The way you said that "he pulled up a recent ban and used to insult me" reminds me the way we used to report someone to the teachers in kindergarden, it was a troll comment i did there, i have no interest on what happened to that guy nor if he was unprofessional. Mods did what they thought was right, you and i and no1 else can change that.

The SoulforgedJul 9, 20161 votes

If you can, I'd like to see a link to that. Would be nice to put something like that where people would start circlejerking against moderation ;)

Troll for TrumpJul 9, 20161 votes

The thing is, he has to actually SAY what's allowed and not allowed, he's not just an enforcer, but the person in charge of everything.

ElikainJul 9, 20164 votes

TheCurator never did such a thing. You probably complained about your unfair ban and he pulled it in front of himself to see if it was really true. Then he explained the exact reason why you've gotten banned, with no sugarcoating.

If it is like you say it is, you owe us a link to that or it's just your word against his.

The SoulforgedJul 9, 20161 votes

You're wrong! We should make the ap unique you pancake.

Edit: inb4 ban.

General Esdeath Jul 8, 20169 votes

There was more than one arbiter? Since when?

KoggyStyleJul 8, 20167 votes

But i liked DTN they dident sugar coat things and play nice.

MarshbouyJul 8, 20167 votes

he didn't. He told the truth but thats against the arbiters code of or something.

XonraJul 8, 20169 votes

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he didn't. He told the truth but thats against the arbiters code of or something.

Your bias is just becoming more and more clear as the thread goes on lol

We get it, you like DTN. Doesn't mean they didn't deserve to be removed from arbiter all the same (probably before this incident to be quite honest, just no one was looking close enough to notice).

ModAttysu The PoroJul 8, 201610 votes

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But i liked DTN they dident sugar coat things and play nice.

The problem wasn't because he was honest, it was how he said the facts/his opinion, and it wasn't proper to speak that way to the community. An Arbiters job is to be able to;

See if the post is being toxic, or generally just an upset player
Assess how you can help/if you can help/what the issue they're having is
Give a solution.

DTN would say things to generally upset people as if they were toxic, and would be passive-aggressive, which wasn't proper. I love DTN, they're my friend, but that's just facts tbh.

Still love you though fam <3

KoggyStyleJul 8, 20162 votes

well stated, have a goodone!

Thnx for 300GJul 9, 20161 votes

aLawfulFalafelJul 8, 20164 votes

well, sometimes i liked DTN and sometimes i didn't, we all have different opinions on things but i think DTN generally had a good way with words to get his or her opinion across.

what really upsets me is this is the only person i really get any sort of reply from, my only sense of connection with response to riot and it's cut. we like having a voice and if there is no acknowledgement then we may as well be talking to the walls, or floor(board)s which feels bad man.

invisiblecat1Jul 8, 20164 votes

Someone speaks the truth and Riot removes them for it What's new?

InivtesPreezeJul 8, 20164 votes

Riot and the boards are a blazing dumpster fire.

This surprises me literally zero percent that they fired one of the good ones.

FantasySniperJul 9, 20164 votes

Wait, we had an Arbiter program?

Since when?

I haven't even seen a mod in forever...

ModCaptainMårvelousJul 8, 20163 votes

There's a lot to unpack because this wasn't a single step out of line. According to players and others (I don't look too deeply) DTN was passive-aggressive and made other players upset, angry or otherwise. So there's that.

Along with that, true or not, would someone working with a company throw them under the bus like that? If I'm working at Blizzard and say "Yeah Blizzard has no idea what they're doing with the game right now. Basically a poorly balanced time", true or not they won't want me around. Why would you EVER want someone representing the company defacing it? It's why things like whistleblower exist although I'm comparing extremes.

Is what DTN true? I'd say so. I've been in the boards since 2013 or so and I've actively tried to get them to update or edit things. (We're STILL in the beta, look at the top. Jfc) But you can't expect to say that stuff when you're one of the players representing Riot and the boards community, as sucky as it might be.

ArakadiaJul 8, 20162 votes

I can't say I've ever seen DTN passive aggressive. Maybe I just dont read much of their comments.

ModCaptainMårvelousJul 8, 20164 votes

I can't say I did either but, if it was brought up in the post, it meant it happened at least once. And you don't want someone representing your company, your game, and your community doing things like that.

Grand ElevenJul 8, 20162 votes

The entire point to the reddit clone-job was to make the boards more self moderating via the vote up/down and thus need less oversight. Basically the old boards needed to be rebuilt and they said "Reddit is awesome ... lets do that" and hoped this would make moderation easier.

So enjoy logging into boards and seeing the top 20 memes instead of any actual conversation

GelmousJul 9, 20161 votes

what the hell is Arbiter?

DarkRitualJul 10, 20162 votes

It's basically a player who is recognized as helpful on the boards. As far as I am aware, they have no actual power to close/delete threads or anything, but have the ability to get Riot's attention moreso than the average user.

It's a position of basically no power, but more of recognition for being helpful towards other players on here.

GelmousJul 10, 20161 votes

Thank you