Can't wait for the balance shitfest caused by new runes.
It's going to be worth it in the end, but for some time on the boards it's going to be pure chaos.
It's going to be worth it in the end, but for some time on the boards it's going to be pure chaos.
I'm quite sure that there would be some retardly broken rune that 90% of players will use, like the Thunderlord mastery when it appeared.
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I Imagine it might be that new "Overheal" mastery on
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Who knows tbh, Pre-Season is a time where everyone get's fucked in some way or another, I just hope I'm proven wrong.
well we dont know how many "keystone" runes there are. though that overheal would feel REALLY good on nasus. make it harder to poke him out of lane. especially since i love to run warlords on him
well first marksmen will be less mandatory
can you explain why? haven't watched the video yet
adcs are plaging the botlane because they don't care about having less xp as long as they have their 80 ad point and click no cost ranged poke they will destroy all classes except few design exceptions, why? because it takes too much time to get xp and get lvl 3 or 4
if runes are removed they're about to lose a lot of attack speed/ad, you could get from 8 to 15 ad/ from 8 to 15% bonus attack speed with runes depending on what you chose If a melee went botlane, all he had was +9 armor which is like +1.4% damage reduction and won't do shit against adc poke
if runes are removed, and you pick a hyper carry that doesn't care about xp like let's say
surviving the laning phase with his sustain+
might be possible
we have to see what will replace runes
The thing is, there will definitely be new runes that give huge buffs to marksman. They aren't leaving the bot lane any time soon.
yeah it will depend on what they give to them the berseker thing is fine imo as it doesn't help to poke
they said runes will give less free stats so maybe they won't get ad at lvl 1
idk wait/see
Idk why you're getting downvoted for wanting more champ diversity
Bot is the ONLY position that has only one class viable to play.
People down vote him by instinct.
He has this arrogantish attitude and his opinions are super unpopular. Also most people here are low elo so they act like Rank doesn't matter at all too.
Rank is no excuse to act like a douche though
I didn't say it was a reason to act like a douche.
Not by instinct. I personally dovote him for being an elitist asshole who ignores everyone he does not agree with and calls everyone else trash.
His Ego is bigger than Riot HQ's combined.
I think he's getting downvoted less for wanting more diversity and more because he's suggesting that this is somehow going to be the silver bullet change that finally blows open diversity in the bot lane and from what I can tell, that simply isn't going to be the case.
Essentially, as it sits most likely, he is wrong. Hence the downvotes. ADCs are good for more than just laning poke, because even when early-game ADCs weren't en vogue it was just filled with late-game ADCs instead who didn't worry as much if they had the benefit of those runes because they were banking on later on in the game anyway. You'd have to change more than just runes to finally kick ADCs out of bot lane or make them no longer seem mandatory.
I hope bot lane gets more diversity too, but I doubt this change is going to be the one that does it and I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
I can tell, that simply isn't going to be the case.
i told you that it depends on what they're going to get instead of runes
ADCs are good for more than just laning poke
it doesn't matter what they're good at, other classes are also good at doing things but the reasons they don't go bot is because they can't lane against adcs in 2v2
if they could you would see strats with them bot+adcs somewhere else as some of them can go top mid jungle
because even when early-game ADCs weren't en vogue it was just filled with late-game ADCs instead
and you think that those late game adcs, will lose against a melee in 2v2 botlane?
like please think about it again
Lets not have ADCs go mid or top, thanks.
I'm having PTSD related flashbacks to corki + kog mid...
In the second post he exaggorates with Marksmen early game, especially since he said they have the upper hand over all classes. I watch several "ex-semi-pros" of high elo and don't see any radical amount of Marksmen taking over other lanes, which would prove that they are as broken against all classes as he claims them to be, as by destroying the opponent they would disallow them to have enough exp and gold to express their other advantage over marksmen - last time this happened was in the cursed preseason we all remember, but it's long ago. Might have some people triggered.
As for the first post, I suppose some people very hard-core disagree it is a good idea for Marksmen not to come bot. I don't know about high elo, but in low elo it usually seems like (and ends up by the player's contribution like) trolling If you pick Marksman anywhere else because their lane opponents seem to always get the upperhand sooner or later. So maybe some people are scared this would hurt Markmen harder than they deserve and got triggered.
As for the third post, don't really know, maybe trigger+snowball effect.
i said 2v2, other lanes are not 2v2
that's a bit silly what you did there
I read all three comments two more times and can't find any mentoin of 2v2 except for implicating it by naming botlane, even there you focus on ADC stats and ADC poking only, not pointing to how Supports affect it in any way.
Maybe point me to exact line where you say 2v2 lane and also possibly to what point is this response to.
EDIT: Okay I think I get it now - you meant that they destroy other classes in botlane as in 2v2. You forgot to put one important "there" in the second sentence, but even then I still can't find any mentoin of how exactly Support make ADCs so unbeatable and can't help equally other classes.
aren't you supposed to be high elo or something or am I confusing names? don't you know that marksmen are picked for their sieging skills and unmatched ability to take down turrets quickly? Tryndamere ain't gonna siege turrets any time soon haha
don't you know that marksmen are picked for their sieging skills
you can siege with any ranged champions it will take more time as they don't have the attack speed of adcs but you can do it
i know that because i played a lot of adc darius
and even if they have this sieging ability, why played bot specially? why can't one pick lucian mid and take a melee botlane? lucian would be able to insanely siege well? because no one can win against an other adc bot if they don't have an adc, they will get outpoked hard with a costless ranged point and click high damage poke
Tryndamere ain't gonna siege turrets any time soon haha
tryndamere can splitpush bring 2 or 3 people bot/top and make his team able to siege easily
The meta is the way it is because mages benefit more from experience while marksmen benefit more from gold, thus a mage is better in a solo lane while a marksman does just fine in a duo lane.
Not only that, but most marskmen get sh!t on by mages, if you are not playing Caitlyn or not playing a counterpick, you'll have a bad time, mages are some of the strongest lane bullies ever.
Tryndamere is never gonna be played in a duo lane, he works just fine in a solo lane, he is a capable and fairly safe duelist, unlike most marksmen.
Not to mention the first turret gold is still a thing
And all melee adc are still sh!t teamfighters
I don't know why you think anything will change, but you are in for some disappointment haha.
Note I say that, but that's for competitive play only and high mmr I guess kinda. In yolo queue you can play anyone anywhere, it doesn't really matter.
The meta is the way it is because mages benefit more from experience while marksmen benefit more from gold,
i don't care about mages there are enough hypercarries in this game that aren't marksmen and aren't played bot
Not only that, but most marskmen get sh!t on by mages, if you are not playing Caitlyn or not playing a counterpick, you'll have a bad time, mages are some of the strongest lane bullies ever.
Lol is this real? Mages can't do shit before lvl 3 and will get absolutly anhilated by adcs poke+their ranged support
Tryndamere is never gonna be played in a duo lane, he works just fine in a solo lane, he is a capable and fairly safe duelist, unlike most marksmen.
he will be played in duo lane if he wouldn't be trashed in duo lane
Not to mention the first turret gold is still a thing
so?
And all melee adc are still sh!t teamfighters
if you don't know how to play them yes they are if you know how to play yasuo trynd fiora aatrox jax darius morde and i pass the endless list no they aren't
I don't know why you think anything will change, but you are in for some disappointment haha.
because now i can lane against them? as darius anyway unless they get buffed through new runes
high mmr I guess
i wonder why adc darius made me going to master tier then
Meh you are a bit dense. That was an answer to your first post where you send the marksman mid lane. Marksmen get trashed by mages in a 1V1 lane (ignoring counterpicks). Everyone gets trashed by mages.
Everything else is just a list of reasons why marksmen won't disappear, and why melee champions won't replace ranged champions.
To be honest, I prefer having a balance shitfest.
It keeps the game interesting when Riot goes crazy and experiments. I may not like having to go against things like tank Ekko, bruiser Fizz, and full crit-shot Vayne, but I'd take that over a stale meta any day.
Also, when Riot does what they want we get pretty cool stuff like Dark Star.
Well change for changes sake is why they ruined shen...
Its just like any other preseason, wont be as retarded as the mid season mage rework
Oh, just wait. They'll probably throw a class update in there as well.
LETS GO FIGHTER DIVER REWORK 2017
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Its just like any other preseason, wont be as retarded as the mid season mage rework
did you forget about that juggernaut rework? god what a shitshow that was lmao
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Its just like any other preseason, wont be as retarded as the mid season mage rework
I still Remember S3's preseason when they for some reason got rid of the Unique Passive on Black Cleaver and every game was AD stackers with only black cleavers lol.
I'd say the standard for ridiculous was made high pretty early on.
I am only worrying that they will end up like keystones.......
Yeah they couldn't even balance the keystones (every champion can basically just use 1 that is good with them) and they are already making keystone masteries. Not to mention every champion will now have 2(?) powerful keystones, this is definitely going to see lots of combo abuse, like I can already see Fervor with the huge AS keystone bullying the enemy melee laner.
They are getting rid of masteries too. Masteries and runes are going to be combined together, which means that Berserk is probably going to replace Fervor, not be used in conjunction with it.
We all loved plants, didn't we?
I did love them. Still love them. Maybe runes won't be that bad, but they are more like keystones then plants.
You know League has always been a balance shitfest, right? I can't remember the last patch where the game actually felt balanced. Right now AD champions and Mages are way too strong because tanks are too weak, so they're getting away with a lot of shit that tanks didn't normally let them get away with
Pre-Juggernaut Rework Season 5 seemed pretty balanced. Granted, I was new then. I may be looking through rose-tinted glasses.
No it was, the game had it's issues as always, but it way more balanced than it has been in the last one and a half years.
Nah I have been playing the game for 5+ years, the game was definitely the closest to balance it has ever been back then (as far as the power of FotM champs against the rest of the champs goes). Then they took 4 champions, all of them who were completely fine and needed no small changes(3 of them needed a full on rework instead) and gave them these crazy niches and minigames and it was a clusterfuck, then they just gutted 3 of the 4 champions, told their old mains to fuck off and now we have only Darius in a okay state.
Patch 5.12-5.14 was heaven.
You know League has always been a balance shitfest, right? I can't remember the last patch where the game actually felt balanced. Right now AD champions and Mages are way too strong because tanks are too weak, so they're getting away with a lot of shit that tanks didn't normally let them get away with
It's actually the opposite, but okay.
Don't worry, if it's anything like the 10 ban system, it'll take 6 months of talking about it before they announce they'll add to a near future patch
They announced it for November, the timetable is already taking that into account.