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I'm gonna make Riot's biggest mistake for this concept...

Reksee·8/26/2019, 2:40:34 PM·9 votes·5,399 views

I'm going to attempt to make a balanced gameplay concept for an ad support assassin. My goals for this concept are to

-Strike a balance between assassin and support. -Not overload concept with damage OR utility -Be a champion that would only be played as a support

Due to the lack of a name for this concept I'm simply going to call it Dave, but feel free to leave ideas for names.

note that dave wields two daggers

Passive: Assassin's Pact

At the beginning of the game Dave can choose an ally to have an Assassin's Pact with.

When Dave gets a kill on an enemy champion he gives 35% of his gold earnings to his ally with the Assassins Pact

Dave's attack damage is increased by 15% when he is within 1200 units of his ally with the Assassin's Pact

When Dave kills an enemy champion his ally with the Assassin's Pact (if they are within 1200 units of him) are healed for 50-220 (levels 1-18)+(10% ally's missing health) health.

Q: Hack and Slash Dave slashes enemies in front of him, dealing 50/80/110/140/170+(65% bonus attack damage) to enemies hit. This will deal double damage if it hits only one enemy. range: 300 cooldown: 10

W: Plunge Attack Dave leaps into the air, after a delay of 0.5 seconds he lands at a target location, dealing 60/100/140/180/220+(80% bonus attack damage damage) to enemies in the target location. range: 675 cooldown: 17/16/15/14/13 target area radius: 150

E: Dive to arms Dave dashes to a target ally, if the ally has the Assassin's Pact they gain 45% movement speed that decays over the next 1 second. range: 550 cooldown: 12

R: Please leave your ideas, I'm not sure what a suitable ultimate for this kind of kit would be.

Please leave your thoughts on what little of the concept there is, thank you!

15 Comments

DuskDaUmbreon8/26/2019, 3:02:49 PM6 votes

My concern is letting him have that passive and not forcing him to be a support by gutting his base damages. He could globally get an ally fed with that passive.

I'm also curious as to how you're going to have him be a support with no CC. Every support has hard CC, but he doesn't even have a slow. All he has is his gold grant and his MS boost as utility, and that gold grant is...kinda shit. The ADC ends up with less gold than they'd have if they just killed them, so...what's the incentive to actually give Dave the kill?

This is Kaz2228/26/2019, 3:24:14 PM3 votes

Your passive certainly made 'Dave' (love the makeshift name) fit for bot lane, but would he still be the support. What I mean he would make good ADC with Blitz Blitzcrank or threshThresh or even Pyke imagine that assassin combo. Dave's combo would be W to get in Q to damage E to escape in his ally direction this does not give much for the ADC, no CC no enhancement (except 1s in E)making it not really supportive.

Now the biggest problem with AD support idea is that they do a lot of damage and meant to kill whereas true support meant to help their ADC do the damage and help them kill.

for example: Passive- After reducing enemy champion to one HP, can't deal damage to them for the next 2s

Basically, this meant to give their ADC chance to kill the enemy but I can see myself, that would make Dave very hard to play if their ADC died and the enemy has 5% HP left. Truth to be told AD support is hard to make, personally, I don't think that Pyke is good support.

Suggestion for R- Portion of damage he deals is converted into health transported to his Assassin's Pact ally for 6s (if Assassin's Pact ally is dead or too far, healing goes to nearest ally if there are no allies nearby Dave cant activate his R)

Keep on trying I believe in you [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Posui Gart8/27/2019, 10:30:12 AM2 votes

With numbers like this Zed would be better support.

Now for a serious review:

Passive is somewhat boring. There is no choice but to connect to adc, and the connection itself is nothing interesting, only E bonus is somewhat good. Also, if i understood correctly, he LOSES 35% of gold gains that are transfered to his ally

Q: Too weak. It has nothing but damage, and the damage is weaker than Zed's Q on almost double the cd and lower range. The double damage bonus on solo targets is fine, but again, Khazix Q is better and with 4 sec cd.

W: Rakan's W has 250 radius, so for a delayed dash with no other effect but AOE damage 150 AOE is too weak.

E: Looks like your idea was to make his kit perfect for short trades with WQE when enemy is isolated, in which case his E is ok

My ideas:

Passive: Damage bonus removed, healing removed. Once every 200 seconds he can instantly teleport to Pact ally from 5000 range by rightclicking that ally, can't be used from less than 600 range to prevent accident casts Something to enable roaming if the lane is tough, as well as actually "support" his carry

Q: Instead of doubling damage if it hits 1 enemy, now it doubles damage and stuns if it hits at least 2 champions. Cooldown is now 5 Makes him better in botlane and teamfights and adds some unusual counterplay

W: No delay on a dash, still 0.5 sec delay on damage. AOE is 250. Damage is increased by 15% to compensate for

E: Now gives +ms for any ally champion. If a target is a Pact ally, and you both are out of combat, gives Camouflage for Dave for 5 seconds Added an option for a risky plays where Dave wastes his only escape tool for better initiation possibilities

R: Marks the target for 60 seconds. If either Dave or his Pact ally bring it to <25% hp, it dies, both Dave and Pact ally gain full gold(including bounty), the kill itself goes to the ally, and they are both healed for 50% missing health. Cooldown is 100/80/60 seconds but starts only after the mark expires or the target dies. Can only be casted on targets with >50% health Somewhat healthy variation of Pyke's ultimate. Gives less gold and executes at lower hp and has no aoe/reset. In exchange, it is much easier to proc, shares bounties and rewards successful execution with a healing. Enemies can see who is marked.

BlackKnightJack8/26/2019, 3:20:46 PM2 votes

You say that like Pyke was a mistake. I hardly think so. You remove the reset from his ult and suddenly he's balanced.

Wùkong8/26/2019, 8:03:44 PM1 votes

Average bame for an average champion

Yami No Ignis8/26/2019, 11:37:59 PM1 votes

Damage scaling looks insane, also the gold that he can share would also be too much.

Físt8/27/2019, 8:47:21 AM1 votes

Going off the concept he could just use the passive on the jungler and go mid/top. He lacks something that FORCES him to go bot with a carry; it feels like he is the carry in the pairing

Midg3t8/26/2019, 5:38:47 PM1 votes

Passive: not rly good since it punishes you for roaming/moving away from your adc. If your adc is bad you would probably want to move away from him to make an impact on other lanes. With this you would be stuck with him. He should be able to switch his partner every...10 mins? That would be okay imo

Q: It would be fine if you had any decent way to engage on the enemy

W: too short range, not rly good for engaging

E: it's okay

As for his ult I would make something like this

R: Assassin's Target: Dave marks an enemy champion for 10/15/20 seconds or until Dave dies. During the R's duration Dave and his ally marked by Assassin's Pact have increased movement speed towards the target and deal 10/15/20% extra damage and/or penetrates 10/15/20% of the marked enemy's armor. During R's duration Dave's W has increased range towards the market target and the spell will ALWAYS LOCK on the target (will jump on the target regardless of where you wanted to jump, like old Urgot's Q would lock on a target marked by E). If the target uses a mobility spell Dave will follow him (like Akali can follow the target marked by her E).