Regarding upcoming ARAM experiment

Reksee·Mar 20, 2019·16 votes·9,180 views

Why was Sona's healing nerfed by 25%. She is WAY too strong in ARAM, but not because of her healing. Her healing on SR has 25% ap scaling. In base ARAM it basically has 12.5% scaling, but now the scaling is down to 6.25%. That's, tiny. As is, her healing is not the best out there (I mean, have you seen ), so it baffles me why her healing was nerfed. Out of all the ARAM changes this is the only one I can't fathom. If I'm missing something please explain to me why this was a good change.

Also, know I do 100% support her damage nerf.

31 Comments

EedatMar 20, 201911 votes

They needed to nerf the shield, not the healing tbh

MinardeMar 20, 20191 votes

Mort addressed that on the ARAM subreddit.

Sona...yeah I'm pretty worried she's still too strong. Didn't have a lever to nerf the shield, which was also my first choice. If it continues to be an issue (65%+ win rate), will very quickly adjust.

InfernapeMar 20, 20194 votes

Because her healing is a lot more spammable. Not to mention unlike Soraka she doesn't damage herself to use it.

ZephyrDrakeMar 20, 201910 votes

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Because her healing is a lot more spammable. Not to mention unlike Soraka she doesn't damage herself to use it.

sorry but what? Soraka has the most spammable heal in the game outside of a Taric that is constantly autoing someone. Soraka with Warmogs completely bypasses her entire HP costs. Soraka can actually heal her entire team faster than Sona the instant she gets warmogs which isn't difficult at all do to

InfernapeMar 20, 20191 votes

Warmogs is being changed to missing HP. All Riot would have to do is make self damaging yourself put you in combat.

Not to mention unlike Soraka, Sona can also heal herself with her W.

ZephyrDrakeMar 20, 20191 votes

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Warmogs is being changed to missing HP. All Riot would have to do is make self damaging yourself put you in combat.

Not to mention unlike Soraka, Sona can also heal herself with her W.

oh noes! it's not like Soraka can also build Spirit Visage or something. Soraka is way more of an obnoxious thing than Sona is when healing in ARAM. But sure have Sona have less than a 7% ratio while having one of the lowest base heals already in the game... let's see how much she will heal her allies every single time she presses W shall we? 110 is the base at max rank which is already cut in half so the base is 55 now we get rid of 25% of that... 44 or we get rid of 75% of 110... 27. That is just pure bases, at max rank just on base values alone she will heal for 44 or 27 to her allies. Now we get ratios in but it's less than 7%... you would need to have such absurd amounts of AP for you to even reach 100 base healing on an ally... But sure let's essentially remove the function of an ability of a champion when every single other healing ability is being left untouched.

Original SinMar 20, 20191 votes

Damn you a sona main? I didn't read post but damn I can smell the bias and the salt

Rıots Bad ClientMar 20, 20191 votes

Correct, Soraka is a heal dispenser.

however, Sona Also can one shot, continuously give everyone shields, and Self heal for a ton while speeding an entire team up.

They're just nerfing sona's playstyle where she would self heal to full, Go for a trade dealing a ton of damage, get out the fight, and heal back to full to rinse and repeat.(Since the aram debuff only was applicable for ally healing and not self healing.)

So yes. Sona will still be a dirt bag. But now she wont have that toxic playstyle where she would just go in to poke and leave to go full hP.

hhaavviikkMar 20, 20194 votes

I'll take any nerf to sona seeing as how she has a 70% winrate

Rıots Bad ClientMar 20, 20192 votes

Its a sona nerf becaue the aram healing only affects ally healing. Sonas Self healing was pretty nuts. its good its being trimed. she does have the top win rate.

item 3083 was nerfed in a way, so Soraka was nerf in that build

However unlike soraka, sona can still build one shot ap. she cant be one shot ap while being a heal dispenser.

ZephyrDrakeMar 20, 20191 votes

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Its a sona nerf becaue the aram healing only affects ally healing. Sonas Self healing was pretty nuts. its good its being trimed. she does have the top win rate.

so that means that she has to heal allies for less than 100 HP? the entire game? if you are that worried about a Sona healing then I have no words to say to you. It's 110 base with a 0.25% AP ratio. You want to know what would made more sense? a nerf to her shield, which she can apply to everyone and is unaffected by the aram debuff

Rıots Bad ClientMar 20, 20191 votes

I'm not at all worried about sona team healing. Its not what makes her strong, so just make the heals nothing thats just a bonus, and make it trash. Who cares, you clearly think sona needs her healing. She is very strong without it.

I'm saying any nerf is good. I dont care if its her damage, her mana cost, mana or her shield. I think shes strong and just ripping her heals from her kit is a bonus. she doesnt need them to be good. we Know that. shields for me are temporary heals do not go away over time. its why I think they chose that over the shield nerf.

Again, I think its ment for her self heal rather team heal.

because this was her play style.

Stay in back, rack up the q, go in, chunk someone for half thier hp. walk away with 15% hp. heal to full and repeat. she didnt care about healing allies. she didnt care about shielding. its just poke and heal up.

Now, she cant just heal to full as quick. and mana is even a bigger issue to deal with that playstyle.

ZephyrDrakeMar 20, 20191 votes

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I'm not at all worried about sona healing. Its not what makes her strong, so just make the heals nothing thats just a bonus, and make it trash. Who cares, you clearly think sona needs her healing. She is very strong without it.

I'm saying any nerf is good. I dont care if its her damage, her mana cost, mana or her shield. I think shes strong and just ripping her heals from her kit is a bonus. she doesnt need them to be good. we Know that. shields for me are temporary heals do not go away over time. its why I think they chose that over the shield nerf.

Again, I think its ment for her self heal rather team heal.

"any nerf is good" no, sorry but no. You don't care about balance if you think that "any nerf is good"

Rıots Bad ClientMar 20, 20191 votes

You dont care about balance if you think a champion that has a Big win rate, people make accounts just to get her more often then not(yes, Aram-only Accounts), and has been for a very very long time.

She needs to be close to hot trash. This champions can still be a brutal unfun mess even with the nerf shes getting. I'm not a Balance team member, however I played enough aram to know that she sorly needs nerfs.

So yes, any nerf is a good nerf for her. I'll take what I'm given from the balance team. A nerf is better than no nerf.

ZephyrDrakeMar 21, 20191 votes

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You dont care about balance if you think a champion that has a Big win rate, people make accounts just to get her more often then not(yes, Aram-only Accounts), and has been for a very very long time.

She needs to be close to hot trash. This champions can still be a brutal unfun mess even with the nerf shes getting. I'm not a Balance team member, however I played enough aram to know that she sorly needs nerfs.

So yes, any nerf is a good nerf for her. I'll take what I'm given from the balance team. A nerf is better than no nerf.

all I hear is "I don't care if the champion is an auto loss now" you don't care about balance. Now don't bother replying to me

Rıots Bad ClientMar 21, 20191 votes

We don't know that yet, we dont know If shes an auto loss. Youre probably just one of people who has an aram only account and upset that sona isnt an auto win anymore.

SaiannaMar 20, 20192 votes

ARAM gone r%%%%%ed when healing was nerfed, but then Riot allowed warmog and heavy lifesteal items in the mode.

DracosKasuMar 20, 20193 votes

Don’t worry they also add ban, so if a champ is still too strong just ban it. I can already see tear of many aram account player.

GrReaper96Mar 20, 20191 votes

item 3083 is getting nerfed as well

SaiannaMar 20, 20191 votes

Okay, but my guess is lifesteal won't be affected at all...

SpecterVonBarenMar 20, 20191 votes

Life steal requires at least SOME kind of interaction even if it's with minions. The type of healing Riot dislikes is the kind that doesn't require any kind of risk incentive.

SaiannaMar 20, 20191 votes

sure I can see a point in that, but the amount is just unbalanced. I remember games where some ADCs were healing for more than a mage could burst them for.

Jinzo TorranceMar 20, 20191 votes

Sona goes Archangel every game so she can mash the keyboard without going oom, couple this with less damage from ranged poke (what? why? And they're nerfing some of the long range champs too. 100% chart balancing here), her AoE healing should take a hit (she should be removed from ARAM entirely along with Maokai, Lux and Warmogs imo)

PS. Soraka is not that good, healing one person at a time at the cost of 10% of your health is shit, especially since you have to sink gold to get the 3k HP cap while your champ is useless in early fights. Sona just goes full AP and heals in an AoE while having hard CC with no build drawbacks.

BramblebackMar 20, 20191 votes

I seriously don't like this ARAm stuff.

ARAM is fun because it IS unbalanced. If i wanted some balance patch 2 electric boogaloo, i'd hop onto Summoner's Rift.

Banning is utterly annoying to have in a gamemode about fun and casual gameplay.

I barely play the game now due to all the mistakes they have made, but ARAM and TT still keeps drawing me back.

Also, why remove summoner 21 ??

ZephyrDrakeMar 20, 20192 votes

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I seriously don't like this ARAm stuff.

ARAM is fun because it IS unbalanced. If i wanted some balance patch 2 electric boogaloo, i'd hop onto Summoner's Rift.

Banning is utterly annoying to have in a gamemode about fun and casual gameplay.

I barely play the game now due to all the mistakes they have made, but ARAM and TT still keeps drawing me back.

Also, why remove ??

I don't know, for the same reason they are buffing Nid's damage even though all she does is throw spears nonstop... yet they are nerfing Ziggs by essentially 30% less damage when you combine the "anti-poke" thing and his actual nerfs.

SpecterVonBarenMar 20, 20191 votes

The nerf to high range skills means that the Nid buff is meant as a counterweight to not effect her with these changes.

Original SinMar 20, 20191 votes

Why're you replying to every comment lmao. Sorry about your aram account with only sona bought going to the shitters. I bet you dodge if you dont get sona too.

JootowMar 20, 20191 votes

If they only have sona, w/ 3 weeks of free champs in aram tossed into the champ pool, they'd virtually never get her.. Especially when you consider a majority of accounts that play aram will have sona as a champ. So you also are hoping the 9 others don't get her..

YokkersMar 20, 20191 votes

I'm reading these experiment changes and man this shit makes me wanna quit even more, it got bad when they changed the runes now everythings one shot then they added the bench and buffed minions... WHY??? I miss my 25-30 minute games that came down to a plays or strategically zerging them to catch them at their nexus while 2-3 people were dead on their team etc... etc etc, this is ridiculous

PaffWasTakenMar 20, 20191 votes

It's almost as if a champion spamming buffing auras isn't designed to be balanced in a map where everything is so clinged together that she buffs and damages whole teams every button press. The only way she'll be balance would be the end result of her getting gutted, which is highly unprobable due to her big fanbase. I'm not saying she should be gutted, but she'll always be insane in ARAM until she is.

Original SinMar 20, 20191 votes

Good she needs to be gutted in aram. One of the highest winrates.