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I used to defend Yuumi when people said her gameplay was toxic...

Reksee··33 votes·12,947 views

Not anymore. She is so annoying in lane and makes me want to pull my eyes out because she is far too safe and far too effective considering this. Her ultimate is nearly impossible to counter if you don't have summoner 4 or mobility and her passive is far too easy to trade with in laning phase. (it's not effective as a barrier but instead as a means of trading.) She can spam healing with no repercussions if you ever do manage to jump her but she and her adc get away in laning phase. She can just sit on her adc and pump healing into them until they're in better shape. So what could make her better? Well three main things that would make her less safe and easier to counter.

  1. If she detaches, there should ALWAYS be a cooldown before she can reattach to an ally. Of course this would be reduced to zero over the course of the game but in laning there should be a risk to detaching so that when Yuumi detaches in laning phase there's always a window of opportunity to catch her out.

  2. Lengthen the delay between waves on the ultimate. This would give enemies more time to think before they get rooted and a better chance of escape.

  3. Lower the base on the passive shield and increase the scaling to compensate. Yuumi usually has a good deal of ap in her build so it wouldn't force players to to full ap. It would also encourage more risky plays in the late game as then the shield would be more rewarding.

But in her current state Yuumi is frankly far too safe and just annoying overall.

80 Comments

SEKAI12 votes

I have always been a cat lover until Riot gave me Yuumi.

It's your fault, Riot.

Yuumi? More like Tuumri (tumour, get it?)!

Modl Ryden l2 votes

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I have always been a cat lover until Riot gave me Yuumi.

It's your fault, Riot.

Yuumi? More like Tuumri (tumour, get it?)!

OMG every time I ban Yuumi and I hear her fuck ass quote, "Seems that you're more of a dog person huh?" I always think back with, "Yes, Yuumi, I am and always have been, thank you for acknowledging that."

Seriously, have you ever seen how cute Shiba Inus are? What in the world are they? Are they dogs? Bear cubs? Foxes? Idk? They're such a unique look for a dog.

And cats are all... it's cat, a cat with spots, a fat cat, a hairless cat, and a cat. Like, wow the variety is endless.

saphireflame1231 votes

Hey, dude, I love dogs too, but don't get me wrong.

Cats are better.

Your "variety" of cats is wrong.

There are SEVERAL breeds that are all unique.

Big & Beautiful, Short & Cute, Small & Fuzzy, Big & Fuzzy, Several Different Types of Patterned, and yes, the ugly hairless cat.

Heck there's even short-legged cats. Like, there's so much variety. I didn't even list much compared to what's out there.

There actually is a lot of different variety in cats. What you are saying is basically saying "Here's a dog, there's a dog with splotches, there's a fat dog, there's a thin-haired dog, and a dog. So much variety".

Learn more about cats before you hate. Don't be a classic dog lover that hates cats because they are "cats".

Have you ever SEEN kittens that are 5 weeks old? They are the most ADORABLE things in the ENTIRE WORLD!

Modl Ryden l1 votes

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Hey, dude, I love dogs too, but don't get me wrong.

Cats are better.

Your "variety" of cats is wrong.

There are SEVERAL breeds that are all unique.

Big & Beautiful, Short & Cute, Small & Fuzzy, Big & Fuzzy, Several Different Types of Patterned, and yes, the ugly hairless cat.

Heck there's even short-legged cats. Like, there's so much variety. I didn't even list much compared to what's out there.

There actually is a lot of different variety in cats. What you are saying is basically saying "Here's a dog, there's a dog with splotches, there's a fat dog, there's a thin-haired dog, and a dog. So much variety".

Learn more about cats before you hate. Don't be a classic dog lover that hates cats because they are "cats".

Have you ever SEEN kittens that are 5 weeks old? They are the most ADORABLE things in the ENTIRE WORLD!

I just want to point out in no way did I mention that dogs are better than cats or ever said I hated cats. Just that they're all identical and seem less varying than that of dogs. The only difference I ever see is the color or depth of their fur or if they're fat.

But you know, it's the internet, imagine getting worked up over someone else's opinion on cats.

saphireflame1231 votes

You literally hated on cats. "And cats are all... it's cat, a cat with spots, a fat cat, a hairless cat, and a cat. Like, wow the variety is endless."

Apparently you haven't seen many cats. You've probably only seen Tabbies.

Because there are a lot of unique cats with patterns in their fur, hitler mustache, and so much more.

OtterlyLost8 votes

I'm more frustrated by the fact that they actively nerfed and changed her to be less interactive in lane. Like, she used to get mana back for jumping off so she was encouraged to jump off more often. She doesn't get that anymore. Why would she bother jumping off? Its not going to benefit her and she can just sit here and heal and Q.

saphireflame1235 votes

She isn't that stupid tbh.

Just kill the person she's attached to and free kill, because she can't do anything on her own.

Reksee7 votes

Ezreal Tristana

Garen is adopted2 votes

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Ezreal Tristana

so you mean if Yuumi wouldnt exist, Ezreal couldnt just dash away when you try to kill him

Reksee1 votes

No, I mean when Yuumi and ezreal are paired even if you force ezreal to use e and flash he still has a yuumi who can just pump heals into him. Also the amount of poke they have is the absolute worst

SEKAI23 votes

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She isn't that stupid tbh.

Just kill the person she's attached to and free kill, because she can't do anything on her own.

It's a little bit hard to kill someone Yuumi is attached to when the Yuumi player is hammering the heal button like a mad man and the guy goes "huehuhue immortal never die".

saphireflame1233 votes

Just play an assassin or somethin.

I like playing Fizz ADC. That also happens to counter Yuumi, since he can one shot the enemy ADC and leave Yuumi alone so he can one shot her, too.

SEKAI18 votes

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Just play an assassin or somethin.

I like playing Fizz ADC. That also happens to counter Yuumi, since he can one shot the enemy ADC and leave Yuumi alone so he can one shot her, too.

She could just root you with her training wheel ulti and have her lane partner walk away.

And it's not like the whoever Yuumi is attached to is just a walking stat-stick, they have their own ability to aid their survival too, such as blinks and dashes.

Picking an assassin doesn't always guarantee results, as soon as the person Yuumi is stuck on doesn't literally die in an instant, she will spam her heal to bring the person back to good health.

It's not that she's invincible, but playing against her is toxic.

saphireflame1233 votes

Well, if you play Fizz, you can ult them and that will eventually do half their health, and a q w auto would kill them. Easy as that.

As for Yuumi ulting, Fizz can just press e q and the ult is useless.

He is the ultimate Yuumi counter.

(Get grievous wounds if you think her healing is stupid)

Hi im 129 votes

just remove the most important role on your team with fizz to counter the enemy support, also fizz bot will never work against competent players.

saphireflame1231 votes

I've carried everytime I've done it.

Velzard of Koz2 votes

On what account because this one claims 46.7% winrate on Fizz with 15 games.

saphireflame1231 votes

You can still "carry" when you lose.

Its called being the only one who isn't feeding and being really fed.

I've not once had a negative score.

Pretty sure the worst score was like 15/11

Hi im 121 votes

so you take an early game champion into a hyper carry lane, have a decent kda and think you're carrying? lmao

saphireflame1231 votes

?

Hi im 121 votes

exactly you have no idea

saphireflame1231 votes

I like how that has nothing to do with what I was saying

Hi im 121 votes

what you're doing is equivalent to bringing pantheon mid lane, it doesn't matter if you have a decent kda you aren't carrying you're just playing a champion with superior early game.

saphireflame1231 votes

So you're saying "This champion is good, so therefore its impossible to carry as them."

That makes no sense, dude.

(My best score was around 30/7)

9 03 votes

Lol you've clearly never played against yuumi. Her heals negate most assasin damage and then your left with nothing except to get beaten down by the Adc.

saphireflame1231 votes

I have played against several Yuumi and with lots of Yuumi.

EyesOfTheFox1 votes

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It's a little bit hard to kill someone Yuumi is attached to when the Yuumi player is hammering the heal button like a mad man and the guy goes "huehuhue immortal never die".

Especially with runes and items that increase healing ability combined with the person she's attached to having fleet & overheal.

JuiceBoxP6 votes

Try to kill the 10-0 darius/irelia/every other broken champ that yuumi is attached to and tell me how that goes for you

Garen is adopted1 votes

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Try to kill the 10-0 darius/irelia/every other broken champ that yuumi is attached to and tell me how that goes for you

again, how is yuumi a problem when darius/irelia is alerdy 10/0 before Yuumi attach to them?

Śhunpo1 votes

She usually attaches herself to either any of these given ADCs: Ezreal Sivir Lucian Caitlyn Vayne Tristana or her team's frontline, meaning it's a little harder than "just kill the person she's attached to....", and that's WITHOUT accounting for her heals, slows and root.

saphireflame1231 votes

Tbh the only thing OP about her is the free Adaptive Damage she gives.

Full ap late game she gives almost 100 free AD or AP.

That crap is broken.

I started playing Yuumi today, and I've witnessed what I said was false. Not on everyone, just on certain champs. Like Fiora, in my case.

OneMustFall4 votes

46% winrate and people are whining about her.

My head hurts.

PolarEclipse4 votes

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46% winrate and people are whining about her.

My head hurts.

Using winrates while also not understanding winrates makes my head hurt, I suppose you'd also say that Akali is completly fine aswell then?

OneMustFall2 votes

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Using winrates while also not understanding winrates makes my head hurt, I suppose you'd also say that Akali is completly fine aswell then?

Akali is obviously undertuned as well and has been for a long time. Winrates are the strongest indicator of a champion's strength. To think otherwise is ignorant. Just because people whine about a champion doesn't mean they are good.

Buckeye20024 votes

True, but a champ being annoying and effective are two different things.

Velzard of Koz1 votes

What is ignorant is thinking 100% winrate champion with single played game is broken (old yorick, lul), or that sub50% winrate champion banned in more than half games and picked in remaining is undertuned.

Akali still holds nearly 20% banrate (1/5 of all games 'undertuned'), 10% pickrate to that low winrate (47%, there are worse cases), that is certainly not undertuned. Yuumi has 40% banrate (only an ignorant person would actually ignore this, my head hurts), 12% pickrate to that 46% winrate. That is not okay. Jumps to 50% banrate with 17% pickrate and 48% winrate at Master+. Wanna talk more about ignorance, sire?

OneMustFall1 votes

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What is ignorant is thinking 100% winrate champion with single played game is broken (old yorick, lul), or that sub50% winrate champion banned in more than half games and picked in remaining is undertuned.

Akali still holds nearly 20% banrate (1/5 of all games 'undertuned'), 10% pickrate to that low winrate (47%, there are worse cases), that is certainly not undertuned. Yuumi has 40% banrate (only an ignorant person would actually ignore this, my head hurts), 12% pickrate to that 46% winrate. That is not okay. Jumps to 50% banrate with 17% pickrate and 48% winrate at Master+. Wanna talk more about ignorance, sire?

Ban rate = perceived champion strength and has nothing to do with the actual strength of a champion. If you can't understand that basic concept, there is no point in discussing with you any further. She has four winning matchups. Four.

Goddess of Ganja3 votes

Well she is a cat, so [sg-ahri-3]

SirTauntsALot2 votes

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her ultimate is nearly impossible to counter if you don't have summoner 4 or mobility

Take QSS and you counter her ult. Your support can also take an item that removes stuns to help you out.

If she detaches, there should ALWAYS be a cooldown before she can reattach to an ally. Of course this would be reduced to zero over the course of the game but in laning there should be a risk to detaching so that when Yuumi detaches in laning phase there's always a window of opportunity to catch her out.

Fair point. 100 % agree with this.

  1. Lengthen the delay between waves on the ultimate. This would give enemies more time to think before they get rooted and a better chance of escape.

You have less time with Sona but yet nobody complains about that. I really think her ult is not a problem. You have to get hit 3 times. that is almost 3-4 seconds of time for you to think

Overall I find it easy to deal with her if i can get something with grievous wounds. Blitz Leona and vi seam to do excellent against her.

Buckeye20021 votes

Well the thing is with sona if she wiffs, it's over, yummi doesn't have that pressure. She also heals a ton and it's hard to burst. I play Diana and do it, but for most poke champs, it's not worth the effort

Midg3t2 votes

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  1. If she detaches, there should ALWAYS be a cooldown before she can reattach to an ally. Of course this would be reduced to zero over the course of the game but in laning there should be a risk to detaching so that when Yuumi detaches in laning phase there's always a window of opportunity to catch her out.

W already has a cd btw.

  1. Lengthen the delay between waves on the ultimate. This would give enemies more time to think before they get rooted and a better chance of escape.

Why? So bad players can get away with being slow and stupid? You cannot redirect your ult so you need to rely on your teammate youre attached to not to walk away or something (you can try and detach yourself an then throw ult but since shes squishy af, any1 with a brain will kill her before she even finishes casting it). All of this already makes it hard to pull off your ult because it requires your teammate's coordination and your enemy to be dumb and slow.

So unless you have a better reason to allow bad players to stay bad in this situation this is a bad suggestion.

  1. Lower the base on the passive shield and increase the scaling to compensate. Yuumi usually has a good deal of ap in her build so it wouldn't force players to to full ap. It would also encourage more risky plays in the late game as then the shield would be more rewarding.

It was already nerfed tho.

The only change I would like to see is reducing her Q range because you can already make it way longer depending on your teammate's moving by any means (walking and mobility spells) so it wouldnt be an issue later on but it would decrease her poking power (you couldnt chill with a safe adc and just snipe some1 with Q's)

Reksee2 votes

You can negate the w cooldown in the early game if you stay attached long enough, I'm talking about a cooldown that will always be there REGARDLESS of how long you've been attached. And if you don't have mobility and the enemy adc Yuumi is attached to has a brain, then the ultimate is an almost guaranteed hit.

Midg3t2 votes

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You can negate the w cooldown in the early game if you stay attached long enough, I'm talking about a cooldown that will always be there REGARDLESS of how long you've been attached.

That will make her not want to get off....shield is rly low atm so not even that extra mana will make yuumi players get off her adc.

And if you don't have mobility and the enemy adc Yuumi is attached to has a brain, then the ultimate is an almost guaranteed hit.

IF the adc has a brain....which again, depends on her teammate. In which elo below diamond that happens? And thats not even counting in that there will be some players who knows how to dodge. It's a battle of whos knows yuumi better. Teammates who will work with yuumi or an enemy who knows how yuumi works? So you want to have her nerfed because she excells in coordinated play...nice.

Learn her kit and play around it. cuz it's not that hard if you know how to play around her. And you have options.

  1. Play xearth/brand. She cannot outsustain you so either bait out her E charges and go all-in or if she doesnt use E she will be forced to play def/passive because her adc is on low hp ---> free farm for your adc

  2. Stun-lock champ like Blitz/Leona/Naut. Hook them when you get the chance and her heal wont save her early in the game. If you set her behind youre gucci.

As for her Q either stand in a minion wave or walk outside of her range.

Era Teemo1 votes

Her ultimate is nearly impossible to counter

You want that yuumi ultimate kill herself?

And you can not spam heal early cause you will run out of mana in 1min?

You can also ban yuumi, if you do not like that champ. That is why are bans for.

Schenix1 votes

I actually prefer Yuumi ult only to apply a debuff and a slight slow, and that the champion she is attached to will deal more damage to targets afflicted. Much like a support which enables their partner rather than ALSO be a teamfight annoyance.

The Kombinator1 votes

Without erasing her untargetable state i think she should be balanced for lategame. Meaning, that early Yuumi would be pretty much a nightmare to work with, but later she would be damn strong.

Shield, and heal gets even greater AP ratio, but reduced base numbers. W would have a BIG CD at all ranks. I would put it on 20 seconds, and while on CD she couldn't even switch target. So no dashing to the next champion if your current dies 4 times. You could do it ONCE in the teamfight.

Her ult would remain the same, but with bigger CD. That ult is a teamfight changer, if hits good, and should have CD worthy for that. Instead of using pretty much at all times. At first i would try 120sec. at all ranks. (same as Kennen)

EyesOfTheFox1 votes

There's a reason she's 100% pick/ban in pro play (in NA).

Yuumi is currently the most banned champion in summer split with 74 bans (79.6% ban rate). Irelia is next with 62 bans.

She's been played 18 times for a record of 13-5 putting her at a 72.2% win rate.

EyesOfTheFox1 votes

I've also had a lot of Yuumi players that if you die once in lane, they get super op mad like, mental health awareness month mad, and rage and flame. I think people just expect to afk on her and win. Her win rate is brought down by all the people eating their noodles while they afk in lower elos. In higher elos and pro play she is close to 100% pick ban.

saphireflame1231 votes

As a fellow Yuumi player, I think she's fine for the most part.

She's too squishy to survive anything if you kill the person she's attached on (even if its SUPER difficult to actually kill them.

Her Q is already being nerfed. Its CD is increasing, and both its Damage AND Slow are being reduced.

Her W does give a little too much free damage, in my opinion. Full AP Yuumi late game can give 100 AD/AP to whoever she is attached to, so I think this should definitely be nerfed.

Her E heals based on missing health, so if they are high health it doesn't heal much at all, and when they are low health, while it is a high amount, its not enough to sustain allies in a team fight.

Her Ult is garbage. Let's just say that. It does NO DAMAGE even when she is building full AP, and the Root isn't a very strong one. Her ult is a terrible AOE version (both in damage and root duration) of a Morgana Q that needs to hit several times to actually get the effect off.

Her passive is pretty balanced if you ask me. The shield isn't all that much, so its a little on the weaker side of the passive, but given the W bonus damage, it doesn't need a buff.

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