Yasuo windwall should have a limit to how many abilities it can block.

Better Jungler·Jan 16, 2018·10 votes·760 views

No reason a well timed wall should block 3 ults, 50 autos, and 20 abilities. Makes no sense.

EVEN IN THE CINEMATIC yasuos wall was up for about .5 second and blocked one Volley of arrows.

Edit: I am putting ward the idea of yasuos wall working how it does in the cinematic. Where he hits the button, the wall appears RIGHT IN FRONT of his character model, and moves forward, growing in size. When it hits its max distance, it goes away. This allows a well time wall to block a ton of abilities if used with skill, yet doesnt put an entire team out of the fight while they wait for the wall to go away.

31 Comments

ISLAMICWARRIOR99Jan 16, 20186 votes

its a 24 s CD not hard to bait out.

Better JunglerJan 17, 20183 votes

Its not. hence the well timed one. but in if you're in the jungle and he wind walls, it a) shouldnt block off the whole lane b) shouldnt block every ability from the direction its pointed

ISLAMICWARRIOR99Jan 17, 20181 votes

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Its not. hence the well timed one. but in if you're in the jungle and he wind walls, it a) shouldnt block off the whole lane b) shouldnt block every ability from the direction its pointed

Don't fight him in the jungle? No diff than ekko w illaoi r gp barrels or anything else that makes fighing in the jg suicide.

DisulfiramJan 17, 20181 votes

It cancels skills that are already touching his hitbox... how are you supposed to bait a skill that can be successfully used at the last moment?

Plat HardstuckXDJan 16, 20185 votes

Maybe your team shouldn't all ult at the same time.

Better JunglerJan 17, 20182 votes

and in premades thats no problem, pretty easy to focus down. but when your lux is bronze 4 and hits a snare, she legally is obligated to throw EVERY ability she has at yasuo.

BestJhinUniverseJan 16, 20185 votes

Or a specific amount of damage. Like other barriers/shields in games.

Better JunglerJan 17, 20182 votes

Another good idea.

XxJustJokenxXJan 16, 20183 votes

A well timed wind wall should be rewarded. If you see it you should immediately disengage and wait for it to go away. Moving around it is also an option. If he is hiding behind the wind wall her can't do anything to you if you are not next to him. I agree it's overpowered as is but it does have weaknesses that are easily exploited.

OleandervineJan 16, 20183 votes

Disengage for almost 4 seconds - that seems super effective. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

No other ability in the game offers that kind of safety net. None. Taric's team invincibility lasts only 2.5s after a 2.5s cook time. Telling a team that "Hey, this guy just nullified all of our ranged damage for 4 seconds, we should immediately run away and let him dash up and murder us all with his 100% Crit" is just ridiculous. Windwall is busted, and it needs something to bring it down a peg or two. No other skill in the game offers what it offers, and is honestly one of the most frustrating things about Yasuo.

Stars ShaperJan 16, 20182 votes

Don't pick 5 champions that force you to do this then?

Any melee initiator is enough to let your team get through windwall.

OleandervineJan 16, 20184 votes

A melee initiator will get eaten alive if they don't have any ranged character to bring the damage to back it up. No matter which way you spin it, there will be ranged characters as part of your team who need to get something through Windwall to make a fight happen, and no amount of melee initiation will help you pull out on top if your ranged characters can't back them up.

Stars ShaperJan 16, 20182 votes

Becuase you can't circumnavigate the Windwall meanwhile?

Honestly, there aren't so many champions shut down by windwall itself be them ranged or not, if you're mad you can't AA as Cait through it you need better positioning.

DisulfiramJan 17, 20181 votes

How? Should he move through the wall so that he can be safely killed in melee? Should he burn his escape ability to dash around it immediately? Should he walk around it, ending up spending even more time than the wall would last? How is he supposed to circumnavigate it?

That skill can singlehandedly turn a 5v5 fight into a 5v2 stomp followed by a 5v3 stomp. There are ultimates that aren't this powerful, and it's on a base skill! On a manaless champion!

Spicy RiceJan 17, 20182 votes

Thank god you have the ability to re-position, and thank god windwall is basically stationary

XxJustJokenxXJan 16, 20181 votes

Forcing him to leave the safety of the wind wall is what I was trying to say was a weakness. If he dashes to you that is when you reengage with your team. Force HIM to make the dumb plays. Trust me any yas player will get frustrated no one is ever near him and will try to make plays without his team.

Spicy RiceJan 17, 20182 votes

Illaoi ults in your team, what do you do?

Darius gets 5 stacks of passive, what do you do?

etc

OleandervineJan 17, 20182 votes

Illaoi has to press R, and then immediately press W in order to make it useful. It also takes complete perfect positioning on her part to make a meaningful ult. Plus, you have every opportunity to kill her during any of these processes. Darius, also, can only effectively corral a single person. If he gets 5 stacks, he can't ult everyone simultaneously, and again, you can still kill him during any of the fighting. Yasuo's Windwall affords a huge gap in time in which his enemies are denied of good chunks of their team fighting ability with little to no recourse other than get on top of him or wait for him to mess up. There's no skill in that kind of ability.

Spicy RiceJan 17, 20181 votes

I love how you are able to think of what you have to do to make illaoi or Darius work, but are unable to fathom that windwall takes skill to use or that it has counter play

Better JunglerJan 17, 20182 votes

Windwall doesnt take skill, It literally appears behind him, and moves forward growing in size. THEN SITS THERE WHILE HE DOES WHATEVER HE WANTS. no skill in that ability. It is literally "Where are the enemies" and then hitting windwall in that direction.

DeunneJan 18, 20181 votes

it doesnt grow in size, it only grows in size as it is leveled up, windwall doesnt spawn behind yasuo,it spawns barely behind his q range(475), wind wall only has 3.75 seconds which by many means does feel like its long but in team fights its nothing considering hes always in melee range of your tanks cc, there are very easy strategic placements to windwall an enemy, its not just when you see an enemy, 1. Single out an adc with a wq animation cancel 2. Set it off behind you for a quick escape if things go bad 3.Set it behind an enemy adc who has a dash, so if they plan on kiting that would take them out

Better JunglerJan 17, 20182 votes

CC illaoi, dodge tentacles. Kite Darius so he cant hit you 5 times.

Yasuo has a wall capable of stopping MOST cc in the game, has an incredible gap closer that allows him to cover the distance of 4 flashes in about 2 seconds. He also has more damage than ILLAOI and Darius without his ult, and with only 1.5 items.

Stars ShaperJan 16, 20181 votes

You really get angry at his Windwall if you use 23 abilities (3 of which ults) and attack it 50 times.

TheZacStreetBoysJan 16, 20181 votes

I like how this is in C&C and not gameplay. And we're having gameplay-related arguments in the comments. Well done.

Better JunglerJan 17, 20182 votes

This is stupid, your name is racist.

Its in c&c because of two reasons.

yasuos windwall change is being discussed as a concept.
I mentioned the cinematic in which he doesn't use it the same way its used in game, which is a creation.

Reported.

passıonJan 17, 20181 votes

Stop trying to nerf Yasuo

Better JunglerJan 17, 20182 votes

Not until he stops 1 v 5'ing easier than ANY other champ. No reason he should be able to slide through entire minion waves. (covering the distance of about 4 flashes in 2 seconds.) No reason for him to get 100% crit chance in 1.5 items. No reason that every game he can go 0-8 and come back at the last minute to 1 v 5 and end the game 15-8.

passıonJan 17, 20181 votes

Yeah he can 1v5 in Bronze and Silver.

Once you start playing with people who have a brain, he becomes much less OP than you think.

Better JunglerJan 17, 20181 votes

Im gold on 2 accounts (last season).

DeunneJan 18, 20181 votes

most skilled players are able to bait out his windwall, its easy to do

passıonJan 18, 20181 votes

Okay, and you still can't understand Yasuo isn't op, and WW isn't op. I might as well add Gold to that list also.