What Shen Should Look Like :)

ExecutorDill·Dec 26, 2014·60 votes·19,099 views

If 's model and animations looked like this he one be my go to main 99.9% of the time.... That 0.1% is only if my team instalocks everything and leaves me with like ADC D: I really love shen and think riot doesn't nearly enough thought and time into him like other well designed champs. I probably was the only one who cringed when I saw the texture update because I thought (oh with this riot will probably never give him the much needed Visual Update or Rework I was hoping for )

He looks so much tankier and is on par with Zed and Yasuo in design.

80 Comments

Mooing KevDec 26, 201431 votes

I personally want shen to look like he does in the new splash art he got. I sometimes wish shen was an assassin champ after looking at the new splash art.

ExecutorDillDec 26, 20143 votes

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I personally want shen to look like he does in the new splash art he got. I sometimes wish shen was an assassin champ after looking at the new splash art.

I almost always want him to be an assassin, but if I break the meta I'd be squishfood :( sigh I've learned to live with him as a tank. Most of riot's decisions are questionable :/

Baron Von BanginDec 26, 20148 votes

Keeping him a tank has nothing to do with the meta. And Shen was made back in Riots early days when they were just making champions without a ton of rhyme or reason. Changing Shen, who has been a tank since his release almost five years ago, into an assassin would be a questionable decision on Riot's part.

And that's an understatment.

ExecutorDillDec 27, 20142 votes

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Keeping him a tank has nothing to do with the meta. And Shen was made back in Riots early days when they were just making champions without a ton of rhyme or reason. Changing Shen, who has been a tank since his release almost five years ago, into an assassin would be a questionable decision on Riot's part.

And that's an understatment.

Your right.... It would have as big as a negative impact as an ant bite. Because shen's pick rate has hit an all time low after the bans and nerfs. So this shouldn't bother anyone.

If it wasn't for shen though I would have never taken the tank or support roles serious. I was duped into playing a tank when I bought him, didn't read up much about him till after I bought him. Shen was the first and only champ that truly captured me in personality, lore everything.

Baron Von BanginDec 27, 20141 votes

"All time low." I assume you started sometime after Season 1. Because he used to be considered a troll pick. Pick rates have virtually nothing to do with proposed gameplay updates. I can GUARANTEE you if they changed Shen into an assassin, literally the antithesis of what he's been for almost 5 years there would be MASSIVE backlash. Look at what's happened with Cass and that comparably minor compared to straight up deleting Shen like you want.

Having played Hhen for a "long" period of time has no bearing of authority on this matter.

ExecutorDillDec 27, 20141 votes

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"All time low." I assume you started sometime after Season 1. Because he used to be considered a troll pick. Pick rates have virtually nothing to do with proposed gameplay updates. I can GUARANTEE you if they changed Shen into an assassin, literally the antithesis of what he's been for almost 5 years there would be MASSIVE backlash. Look at what's happened with Cass and that comparably minor compared to straight up deleting Shen like you want.

Having played Hhen for a "long" period of time has no bearing of authority on this matter.

Ahem... Do you even play shen? Also, what do you think of this She model?

PikmintsDec 27, 20141 votes

I'm not too sure about Shen really. I'm ok with him being a tank, but this model you give of him emphasizes that more while downplaying the ninja aspect. I feel like the proposed model simply implies that he's more physically fit, not necessarily durable. When I see this Shen model I think more bruiser or melee carry, not the tank with some AP scaling that he is.

I like the metal plating as it shows he's more tanky, but I feel like the rest of his model could also assist in that where as the proposed model's design also seems to imply that he's a carry. Think he needs something, you're close but there's something off.

And on an unrelated note, please tell me you know how to reply without quoting peoples' entire posts.

ExecutorDillDec 27, 20141 votes

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I'm not too sure about Shen really. I'm ok with him being a tank, but this model you give of him emphasizes that more while downplaying the ninja aspect. I feel like the proposed model simply implies that he's more physically fit, not necessarily durable. When I see this Shen model I think more bruiser or melee carry, not the tank with some AP scaling that he is.

I like the metal plating as it shows he's more tanky, but I feel like the rest of his model could also assist in that where as the proposed model's design also seems to imply that he's a carry. Think he needs something, you're close but there's something off.

And on an unrelated note, please tell me you know how to reply without quoting peoples' entire posts.

Wouldn't you have to be Physically fit in order to be durable? A fat man or a skinny man can't take a well placed punch. You have to have good muscle to endure such pain. And he actually looks more tankier in the proposed model, I like tanks who show their muscle like Braum ! It's seems more manly like if too much armor would be a drawback for them.

If a tank ninja is ever a thing, I believe this is how the should look physically!

AnidanDec 27, 20142 votes

"A fat man [...] can't take a well-placed punch." Ah, the good ol' days of Gragas' damn-near passive, what was it, 15% damage reduction before it was changed? And Urgot basically being a tanky anti-carry. Point being: fat guys in this game at least have a tendency to take a punch quite well. :P

KingsgraveDec 27, 20142 votes

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Keeping him a tank has nothing to do with the meta. And Shen was made back in Riots early days when they were just making champions without a ton of rhyme or reason. Changing Shen, who has been a tank since his release almost five years ago, into an assassin would be a questionable decision on Riot's part.

And that's an understatment.

make him a Tank/Assassin then

Robert SmithDec 27, 20146 votes

Assassin=Burst damage champion Tank=Champion who can take damage without dying quickly Tank Assassin-Champion who can do burst damage and not take damage AKA OP. AKA Lee Sin

exiledFromBadmenDec 27, 20145 votes

RekSai and Shyvana are good examples too. And there's a name for this role: Fighter.

ExecutorDillDec 27, 20142 votes

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Assassin=Burst damage champion Tank=Champion who can take damage without dying quickly Tank Assassin-Champion who can do burst damage and not take damage AKA OP. AKA Lee Sin

Actually "Tank/Assasin" is just a fancy term for "Fighter" really, only implying that he has equal defense of a tank and offense of a Assasin. They're a lot of thing that go hand in hand with those roles like CC for Tank and Mobility for Assassin; and other forms of Utility.

P.S. I rekt lee sin with shen!

ExecutorDillDec 27, 20142 votes

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make him a Tank/Assassin then

Problem solved, peeerfect! We already have the impossible an ADC/TANK= Gnar

CatastropDec 30, 20151 votes

I'd like this. His sustain is my favourite part of his kit, this way he'd be able to keep it.

RockmanDec 27, 20141 votes

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ExecutorDillDec 27, 20141 votes

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The only real reason he's a tank is to make the trifecta for the Kinkou.

Akali: Assassin Kennen: Mage Shen: Tank

and a Ninja being a tank is just jank.

Why not?

Akali: AP Assassin (which is more accurate) Kennen: Mage Shen: Fighter (Tank/Assasin) Zed: AD Assassin

DJ BLU3Dec 29, 20151 votes

DUDE! like ikr!!! He deserves to be an assassin/fighter champion just like Yasuo. Like seriously Riot needs to update this champ.

junglerboy16Dec 26, 201410 votes

if they made him look like his new splash, I would be even more thrilled. His splash update was probably the most impressive of them all so far.

TheKingDodoDec 26, 20147 votes

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/105264/3916082-8979026552-Scorp.jpg GET OVER HERE!

Shen ...

whoops wrong ninja... you two look so much alike

Toa of DeathDec 27, 20141 votes

he does have a skin that is basically Scorpion and another that is Subzero. Yellow Jacket Shen and I forget the other one. they even have the MK symbol on them.

Rito JerichoDec 30, 20142 votes

Isn't it like "Frozen Shen" or something like that? Hang on... let me look it up...

Aaaaand, YEP! I was right. Shen's "Subzero-like" skin is "Frozen Shen".

AbodyHUN666Dec 27, 20143 votes

Get over here! Shen ok. presses R

Desmond LawDec 27, 20147 votes

Shen Oh, you think darkness is your ally. But you merely adopted the dark; I was born in it, moulded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING! The shadows betray you, because they belong to me!

Zed I killed your dad

ExecutorDillDec 27, 20142 votes

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Oh, you think darkness is your ally. But you merely adopted the dark; I was born in it, moulded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING! The shadows betray you, because they belong to me!

I killed your dad

xD Shen forever! Zed is cool but for some reason I still prefer shen!

Unless I feel like going on Killing sprees and carrying the game, then I go Zed or whoever I feel that does that with ease!

YoshiReaperDec 29, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Desmond Law,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=n94c74QR,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2014-12-27T03:04:54.851+0000)

Oh, you think darkness is your ally. But you merely adopted the dark; I was born in it, moulded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING! The shadows betray you, because they belong to me!

I killed your dad

In honesty I find both fun to play as one way or another, Shen's quote is just awesome but I imagined Shen's expression after Zed's response to be something like this: [slayer-jinx-unamused]

BlackMagicWilsonDec 27, 20147 votes

Shen was the first champion I bought when I first came to League and he's been my main ever since. I can honestly say I've been wanting to rework him before I even knew what reworks were. Even two and half years ago he looked pretty old but now it's just ridiculous. Here are some ideas of what I think Shen needs.

Shen's Model

I think it's pretty obvious Shen's model should reflect how it is in his splash art.
We should know just by looking at him that he is a ninja and a tank. Shen's silhouette could use some beefing up along with more distinguishable swords. Maybe he should have more ninja gear on him.
Shen's animations should be disposed of. His walking animation is awkward and his sword slashes aren't only unrealistic and clunky but physically impossible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3vFO2nl8Og (I think his Warlord Skin handles his sword slashes pretty well)
Shen should be taller.

Shen's Theme

Shen needs a theme that he can call his own, separating him from all the other tanks and ninjas in the game.
Shen is the Eye of Twilight. What does that mean? He watches the stars. Why? To make tough decisions. For who? The Equilibrium. All of this lore is completely cast away in game. Shen's kit should reflect more on who he is.
Shen's lore is pretty shallow for today's standards. It should be added on to. (Also I thought is was kinda odd how Shen is described almost as an unfeeling sociopath bound to a seem but his efforts against Zed were "heroic".)

Shen's Kit

Shen's kit was made in an era that simply no longer exists. A time where tanks were given seemingly random AP stats. These stats even got buffed so AP items would become more useful if not core on him. They never did. If you search for some of the top Shen builds today few will use any AP if at all. No other champion has four scaling stats that are wasted as such. Shen needs new ratios that works with items he actually builds.
Back when Shen was made, a dash was a pretty rare thing and as we all know that's no longer true with champions such as Yasuo and Kalista. If a dash is the only thing that makes Shen ninja-like then Yasuo must be 10x the ninja he is. A dash does not make a ninja. Shen's kit needs to reflect a ninja-tank.
Although it's debatable, I find Shen's kit can be boring. After the laning phase your q(Vorpal Blade) and your w(Feint) can feel extremely useless, even if they're not, since in team fights vorpal blade seems to be doing minimal damage and feint, doing nothing more than faintly shielding yourself, feels like a waste of energy. You're rewarded for hitting multiple enemies with your e(Shadow Dash) but it has an extremely small hitbox and in most cases catching 3 or more for and engage is simply a bad idea since the taunt only lasts 1.5 seconds. After taunting 3 or more enemy team members they will simply ignore you and go after your team. At more than half his energy Shen gets punished for using his and missing. I think is is unfair due to how narrow his Shadow Dash hitbox is currently.
Shen's ult is extremely long. I saw that Rek'Sai's global ult originally used Shen's ult cooldown as a reference. It was very clear this was way too long for what it was worth. I feel the same is true to Shen to a lesser extent. At Rank 1 you have to wait more than 3 minutes to give someone a 250 health shield. That's 3 auto attacks for most champions or a non ultimate ability for some mid laners to break it. Not only that but there a lot of things that can go wrong with Shen using his ult: His channel can be cancelled, his ultee can die, his ultee could run away or get could get counter ganked. Not only that it can also feel like Shen is being punished for using his ult as he has to leave his lane open. If Shen's ult isn't successful he loses gold, xp, and possibly a tower and gains a 3 minute cool down to throw salt in his wounds. In our current meta it's common to see a toplaner take the summoner spell teleport almost making Shen obsolete. The question is "Why pick Shen who has a teleport for an ult instead of Renekton or Nasus who can take the summoner spell teleport and then ult when they get there?" have the larger team fight impact.
Shen thrives when he is ahead but when he isn't he's more useless than a LeBlanc that can't burst (A tank that can't tank.) Shen has no fallback pattern. He's just always building tanky. Since his items (Sunfirecape, Randuins, Warmogs, and Spirit Visage) have been nerfed. Falling behind with Shen is more common. I think Shen should be able to rely more on the contents of his kit and less item reliant.

P.S. Sorry for so much text. I thought it would be shorter.

Blue Moon WolfDec 27, 20145 votes

that looks great, but I believe THIS is what Shen should look like http://promo.euw.leagueoflegends.com/assets/summoners-rift/img/ss_jungle_2.jpg

HextenDec 27, 20143 votes

Just something for fun... :)

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/OEifnIPK-reshuffle-akali-shen-the-fist-of-shadow-reshuffle-skin-idea

Kuzja1Dec 27, 20143 votes

Reminds me of the classic Ninja Gaiden games

MonkerosityDec 26, 20142 votes

Rito pls make this possible, shen would go from like 20% pick rate to 50% :D

EmbertineDec 27, 20142 votes

I like it alot! I would actually play shen if he looked like that!

XyphiosDec 27, 20142 votes

but first a slight rework

RikariDec 27, 20142 votes

While we're at it,lets call him the Shrendder or Shen Zero. Only to realise shen is a tank LOL

AbrahamBaconhamDec 27, 20142 votes

Those are some serious deltoids he's go going on there...

Arya StarckDec 27, 20142 votes

hot!

Chaotic ReksDec 27, 20142 votes

he still resembles Sub Zero... crawls back into shadows

Chespin2013Dec 29, 20142 votes

should really give him a rework cuz rn i think hes kit is just too outdated to keep on par with the new meta and all

ExecutorDillDec 29, 20141 votes

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should really give him a rework cuz rn i think hes kit is just too outdated to keep on par with the new meta and all

I think his kit is outdated too. I think the best they can do is fully rework Q and W. And Give his U,t a second feature like some sort of passive aura that benefits him. All his E needs is a slight increase in damage. And his passive is good as it is.

Chespin2013Jan 9, 20151 votes

that and help with his energy cost too

Barbwired MindDec 29, 20142 votes

Idk if it's just me or i'm the only one here who see's this as very very over rendered and his equipment is just TOO small.

ExecutorDillDec 31, 20141 votes

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Idk if it's just me or i'm the only one here who see's this as very very over rendered and his equipment is just TOO small.

I actually prefer it, the show of muscle seems justifying to him being a tank. Though is would give the impression of a quicker shen due to his lighter overall.

BM Riven NADec 31, 20142 votes

Looking at your in game model makes me think so much diffrent than I did of shen but he is a tank I would love for shen to have bigger muscles it seems like that would help because tanks are huge

ExecutorDillJan 1, 20151 votes

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Looking at your in game model makes me think so much diffrent than I did of shen but he is a tank I would love for shen to have bigger muscles it seems like that would help because tanks are huge

Well I'm glad you think defferently :) is that a good thing or bad thing tho?

Anyways I also agree, when I first played shen I wanted him to be a pentakilling Assasin! But I have learn to love him the way he is and have grown fond of saving allies. But for a tank, his appearance has never ceased to bother me, it looks ok but not as a tank. It is because of his appearance was why I was duped into buying him. Should have done my research oh well, still love him xD

EmbertineDec 31, 20142 votes

nice skin idea

ExecutorDillJan 1, 20151 votes

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nice skin idea

Ty, although I can't take the credit. The real genius behind the design is a guy name Raphael Perroni. Check out the link on the first comment^

The SoulforgedDec 27, 20141 votes

Tbh his skin tone contrasts too much against his armor to be a ninja. You wouldn't want to be easy to see as a ninja.

ExecutorDillDec 27, 20142 votes

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Tbh his skin tone contrasts too much against his armor to be a ninja. You wouldn't want to be easy to see as a ninja.

Don't give me that. That is not good enough to turn down such a beautiful model. Look at Kennen for instance. You could see that purple a mile away, and have you ever watched naruto before?