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Can we get a real Fighter Mage?

ExecutorDill·Jan 23, 2016·35 votes·3,681 views

And not like and who are assassins.

Someone with a good amount of CC, a good defensive ability and deals some aoe magic damage.

Having a person deal magic damage on basic attacks in no way makes them a Mage Fighter.

EDIT: Ok so I basically see a true Mage/Fighter [And not an AP Assassin or Rumble :/]

As someone has short range abilities that do hybrid if not all magic damage. Whose abilities either reinforce basic attacking or need it to be applicable (Gragas out). Melee Based (Ranged Champs out) Who doesn't have insane mobility (all assassins out including Kass), who doesn't have extremely long ranged abilities (Rumble and Galio Out), who only builds a bit of defense to survive long enough to dish out damage (Ap Tanks out), Mostly Sustained damage not burst (Again all assasins out and Gragas) and finally who has average CC and utility.

So far the closest thing to it in League is . Though he is a bit tankier that what I envision a Fighter/Mage to be.

BRING ON HELMET BRO!!!

163 Comments

Stars ShaperJan 23, 201644 votes

item 3070 Mordekaiser

TaoistMasterJan 23, 20163 votes

"Good amount of CC"

Lao Fu the TigerJan 23, 201635 votes

item 3070 Mordekaiser item 3116

Mistress MadokaJan 23, 20166 votes

Can confirm Mordekaiser item 3116 Is fun af

Malicious MetalJan 24, 201612 votes

Mordekaiser item 3116 item 3146

DreadlocksJan 23, 201623 votes

Ekko

RalanrJan 23, 201616 votes

It's funny because he's an assassin while Diana is a Fighter/Mage.

DreadlocksJan 23, 20165 votes

Not really, Diana can pretty much blow up any squishy with Q W E R combo, while Ekko usually needs his ult to 100% someone, which is a lot harder to do. Which is just another reason why he has as much utility as he does. Making him a solid Fighter.

RalanrJan 23, 20161 votes

I mean in their actual categorization rather than their more accurate categorizations.

DreadlocksJan 23, 20162 votes

Yeah those arn't very accurate lol. They have good "guidelines" per-say but def not 100% accurate lol.

WolfBVJan 23, 201612 votes

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Not really, Diana can pretty much blow up any squishy with Q W E R combo, while Ekko usually needs his ult to 100% someone, which is a lot harder to do. Which is just another reason why he has as much utility as he does. Making him a solid Fighter.

Well most fighters can blow up squishies. Darius Fiora Gangplank Gnar Garen Illaoi Irelia Jax Jayce LeeSin Nasus Olaf Pantheon Renekton Riven Rumble Trundle Tryndamere Warwick MonkeyKing <this is wukong XinZhao Yasuo

RalanrJan 23, 20163 votes

Even tanks can blow up squishies. Sion and Poppy for example.

TaoistMasterJan 23, 201630 votes

MonkeyKing This is actually Blukong

WolfBVJan 23, 201615 votes

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This is actually Blukong

Shit Rito I thought you weren't enforcing builds.

SirsirJan 23, 20162 votes

Clearly you've only fought Tankkos

DreadlocksJan 23, 20163 votes

Nah, I've played vs AP ekkos, and they've done quite well nonetheless, but compared to a fed diana, the assassination is a lot harder to pull off.

FrickendaChickenJan 24, 20161 votes

That's the problem, you said fed Diana. Just look at the champion, not if they're fed or not. Late game, Ekko's passive alone with full ap will usually hit for 900, that isn't counting the rest of his abilities and how you combo them.

DreadlocksJan 24, 20164 votes

IDC whos fed, Diana or Ekko, Diana makes a better Assassin than Ekko any day, and Ekko can fufil a "fighter" role much better than Diana. Again idgaf about farm. It was MY way of saying, if either champion was fed, Diana would be the 1 who could assassinate better. My god if you had a fed fucking brand he could assassinate better than Diana, you are clearly missing the point here.

FrickendaChickenJan 24, 20162 votes

Ekko's passive is what blows up champs over most things. His ult is an insane amount of damage, sure, but there's a reason why it doesn't proc his passive. It gives a major reward for planning ahead (part of his playstyle) by giving him an insane amount of damage, and giving him more time (heh) to proc his passive on more targets.

DreadlocksJan 24, 20163 votes

Yeah he has as much burst damage as diana without landing a sick ult.. not.

FrickendaChickenJan 24, 20162 votes

Why are you comparing two different character with two different playstyles? Ekko and Diana do their damage in two different ways. Diana is all about comboing your Q and ult together to get your W and autoes off on someone. Ekko you generally Q first, then E to proc your passive, and continue hit them, or E then Q to proc your passive. Why did you compare them?

DreadlocksJan 24, 20163 votes

I'm actually not the first one to compare them, I agree they are very different, OP says he wants to play a bruiser AP so i said Ekko, people say oh Diana is.. Diana is more of an Assassin, people argue that Ekko is more of an assassin, I said not nearly and then defended my reason as to why Diana has more assassin qualities than Ekko.

You Comprehend?

Titanium70Jan 23, 201616 votes

I'd like to mention Swain here. He is not AA reliant, but he still fights his opponent close up. He is neither squishy nor tanky. Kinda fits the spot. ^^

BârdJan 24, 201615 votes

AP fighters, eh? Chogath Swain Galio Rumble

NarasimhaJan 24, 201611 votes

Gragas

Like, literally. That's what he is.

Shrek LuigiJan 24, 201610 votes

Nautilus Can we please top pretending lane Naut doesn't exist? He literally fulfills every single one of the qualities OP is looking for.

MistroTTCJan 23, 20167 votes

Ekko Lissandra and Singed fit your criteria, and Chogath should count, but lacks a defensive ability, unless you count the hp from his ult a defensive ability.

ZerglingOneJan 24, 20162 votes

{quoted}

and fit your criteria, and should count, but lacks a defensive ability, unless you count the hp from his ult a defensive ability.

Definitely counts :)

Rumble too.

ManwalrusJan 24, 20166 votes

a good amount of CC Diana a good defensive ability Diana deals AOE magic damage Diana

I guess Rumble Gragas Ekko Ryze and Chogath don't exist either...oh well.

SnugglePuggle94Jan 23, 20165 votes

Ahem. Diana is actually classified as a fighter. People just made her into an assassin because she did more burst that way. Also, from what I remember, they wanted Diana to be a tankyish fighter but it didn't turn out that way. You can build her tanky and she's fine that way too but people like her more burst better.

ErdamonJan 23, 20165 votes

item 3070 Rumble

0/750 stacked because he's manaless

ChatillonJan 23, 20164 votes

Garen can stack a tear man, Ultimate Bravery let me know this

Only Play DariusJan 23, 20165 votes

Chogath Ekko Ryze Elise

TransgressorJan 24, 20164 votes

It seems to me that you have no idea about the very game you're playing.

Browse through the comments to see a fair amount of fighter mages.

AHeroNamedHawkeJan 24, 20164 votes

You uh, just described the average tank

CatastropJan 23, 20163 votes

Gragas

The Bearded BardJan 23, 20163 votes

Rumble

xSleepyJan 24, 20163 votes

Gragas ?

La BarbotteJan 24, 20162 votes

Mordekaiser Swain Taric Rumble Kayle

ExecutorDillJan 25, 20161 votes

Taric is closest here imo, and even then.... HE ... IS... A... (I'm sure you've guessed by now what I was about to say :P)

La BarbotteJan 26, 20162 votes

fabulous ball of death and sparkles

Mistress MadokaJan 26, 20163 votes

BEJEWELLED KNIGHT OF FABULOUS OUTRAGEOUSNESS?

SquidblimpJan 23, 20161 votes

I would say Kassadin is a fighter mage, because he doesn't really oneshot people unless he's ahead...

Anyway, as for more fighter mages:

Rumble Ryze Ekko (if you build him that way) Lissandra

I do agree that more would be cool though

BoundaryBreakerJan 23, 20164 votes

Another is Kayle . At least the way I build her, super heavy DoT and stat stealing with item 3091 and healing with item 3146

Mistress MadokaJan 23, 20161 votes

Kayle item 3124 item 3115 item 3146 item 3085 item 3078 item 3091

She's Flying she don't need boots.

BoundaryBreakerJan 25, 20162 votes

[slayer-jinx-catface]

Also, I love your username, PMMM for the win!

Dar RaksadaJan 24, 20161 votes

{quoted}

Another is . At least the way I build her, super heavy DoT and stat stealing with and healing with

she's too squishy to count I think, she's more like an ap marksman.

BoundaryBreakerJan 25, 20162 votes

With her ult though, she is an amazing duelist if you time it right. That's how I tend to classify a champ as a fighter, if they're a good duelist, being able to deal good damage (maybe not stupid damage like some-looking at you old poppy), and excelling at 1v1 scenarios. Teamfight abilities tend to be alright, but nothing to write home about, again with a few notable exceptions, such as Wukong (Although, he could just as easily be an assassin or tank). That is just my view of the game though, and this is a Silver 5 scrub here XD.

As a side-thought, I can actually see potential to build item 3053 on her, her E scales with AD really well, so the boost from passive along with the shield makes her un-squishy enough to be classified as a fighter if that is a requirement for you ;].

.... I'm gonna try that now.

DeloricVIJan 25, 20161 votes

You're describing the worst champion concept I've ever heard of, unless you buff their ratios into team-wrecking permaban levels. It's a symptom of champion concepts that simply don't work in most ways. We see this with a lot of champions that waver between OP and useless. Sometimes these champions have it the other way around, where their abilities are too op to have good ratios, but the other case exists, I'm sure of it.

So, here's what you're asking for:

Akali With CC and less damage Amumu With no bandage toss Graves Pre-Rework with CC Katarina With less damage and more cc

Really, what you're asking for is an ap tank, which doesn't work very well. You know who does sustained damage over time, is fairly tanky, and typically has some good cc abilities? FUCKING TANKS. You know why a lot of people just build amumu pure tank with, maybe a zhonia's or a rylai's? It's because there are no good tank items that give ap or ad, because tank items are supposed to be cheap to counter these other stats so a squishy damage champion can snowball, but a tank can build against them in the long run.

What you want would be a nightmare to balance; it does everything except range. When a champion has CC, there's got to be a huge power trade off, which would turn any attempts at a fighter mage into either a straight tank, or an assassin. The line that your concept makes between the two is a razor's edge, and there's almost no way to stay balanced on it, without someone finding a more effective tank or assassin build.

ExecutorDillJan 25, 20161 votes

{quoted}

You're describing the worst champion concept I've ever heard of, unless you buff their ratios into team-wrecking permaban levels. It's a symptom of champion concepts that simply don't work in most ways. We see this with a lot of champions that waver between OP and useless. Sometimes these champions have it the other way around, where their abilities are too op to have good ratios, but the other case exists, I'm sure of it.

So, here's what you're asking for:

With CC and less damage With no bandage toss Pre-Rework with CC With less damage and more cc

Really, what you're asking for is an ap tank, which doesn't work very well. You know who does sustained damage over time, is fairly tanky, and typically has some good cc abilities? FUCKING TANKS. You know why a lot of people just build amumu pure tank with, maybe a zhonia's or a rylai's? It's because there are no good tank items that give ap or ad, because tank items are supposed to be cheap to counter these other stats so a squishy damage champion can snowball, but a tank can build against them in the long run.

What you want would be a nightmare to balance; it does everything except range. When a champion has CC, there's got to be a huge power trade off, which would turn any attempts at a fighter mage into either a straight tank, or an assassin. The line that your concept makes between the two is a razor's edge, and there's almost no way to stay balanced on it, without someone finding a more effective tank or assassin build.

You know who else is fairly tanky and have some CC? FIGHTERS you imbecile! Renekton Olaf XinZhao The only thing akali has that'd be similar to my idea of a fighter mage is that she has an ability that requires her to follow up with an auto attack for more damage.. that's all. Amumu is a fking tank, Graves is not melee based, ARE you RETARDED???

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