Would True Sight be op on a Champ?

ExecutorDill·Dec 28, 2014·19 votes·3,072 views

My nomination for a true sight ability is - (Because I believe he needs a slight ability rework and well... He is the Eye of twilight after all.)

43 Comments

Edge of DaybreakDec 28, 20148 votes

it depends on that champions role and what else the skill does. if i have this button that just says negate stealth mechanics then its either going to be too good or its gonna have some limiter that makes it pointless.

ExecutorDillDec 28, 20141 votes

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it depends on that champions role and what else the skill does. if i have this button that just says negate stealth mechanics then its either going to be too good or its gonna have some limiter that makes it pointless.

Obviously it will have some other cool feature. Maybe a passive that will help in combat. Think Quinn 's W (Heightened Senses) but instead of just revealing a place on a map, the champion also gains true sight for a short duration

TiropatDec 29, 20141 votes

I don't see the point of the ability. It would only be useful vs 10 champ kits and for finding wards. 10/123 would mean this skill would not be useful unless you are a direct counter to a stealth champ, which would be bad oh you picked akali you can't play this game, or are a jungler/ roaming support looking to keep vision down.

ExecutorDillDec 29, 20141 votes

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I don't see the point of the ability. It would only be useful vs 10 champ kits and for finding wards. 10/123 would mean this skill would not be useful unless you are a direct counter to a stealth champ, which would be bad oh you picked akali you can't play this game, or are a jungler/ roaming support looking to keep vision down.

It can come with some passive that helps gameplay. It would be like Kalista 's W but way better as it reveals stealth units like wards as well as champs

junglerboy16Dec 29, 20148 votes

Well, Lee sin reveals enemies with true sight, so short answer: yes.

Enraged PigletDec 30, 20141 votes

and I believe lulu's E deos as well.

MetalGearTeemuDec 28, 20145 votes

I like it. Make shen reverse eve. True sight where ever he goes...

And everyone can see him all the time. (even in fog)

lets see you dash your way out of this one Ninja.

GunpointDec 29, 20145 votes

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I like it. Make shen reverse eve. True sight where ever he goes...

And everyone can see him all the time. (even in fog)

lets see you dash your way out of this one Ninja.

So that way, not only is Shen not a swift killer like a Ninja would be, but he is also the least sneaky champion in the game, and yet still a Ninja.

Auz the RipperDec 29, 20143 votes

He is the ANTININJA

ExecutorDillDec 29, 20141 votes

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He is the ANTININJA

Well he is the eye of twilight. Giving him a literal Visual Prowess would be awesome and give some truth and slight understanding to that name. For people who obviously don't understand it's meaning.

Also in the Triumpherant shen is suppose to be the counter to akali anyways. making his W a direct counter to her W will help with that, seeing as the amount of mr you get from items are minor where as you get tons of AP and cheap magic pen on item 3020 and item 3136 those to in total will give you 30 magic pen which is insanely op.

Bouffon dAnglaisDec 29, 20141 votes

Shen shouldn't be visible to everyone on the map.

"If light travels so fast, how come it never caught a ninja?"

"Light... never caught a ninja?"

"Ninja"

"N"

And that's why.

MetalGearTeemuDec 29, 20141 votes

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So that way, not only is Shen not a swift killer like a Ninja would be, but he is also the least sneaky champion in the game, and yet still a Ninja.

To be fair, this is a ninja who is also a tank, and regularly buys a shield, or a cape which lights him on FIRE.

There is no stealth to be had with Shen.

the Anarchit3chtDec 28, 20143 votes

tf has true sight tied to his ulti. as long as its not everlasting then it wouldnt be op.

ImHerVoiceDec 29, 20141 votes

tf not op? lol Obviously you missed season 1/2

Bouffon dAnglaisDec 29, 20141 votes

But he got balanced? And yet we still have F******G LEE SIN and FIZZ and FIORA.

ImHerVoiceDec 29, 20141 votes

the only reason hes not as good as he was is because lich bane was reduced on its base damage/AP scaling. and it still is broken as shit on ranged AP's with moderate cooldowns.

ExecutorDillDec 29, 20141 votes

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But he got balanced? And yet we still have F******G LEE SIN and FIZZ and FIORA.

Fiora getting rework son, just be cool!

X8ViEhkPS0Dec 28, 20143 votes

I thought it was more or less a position. Not you know, his actual eyes.

ImHerVoiceDec 29, 20142 votes

tf/lee sin. both broken as shit on release. except TF actually got balanced unlike lee sin who's still got a Q that outsmites every other jungler because chogath/nunu

TehNACHODec 28, 20141 votes

Passively? Yeah it'd be op and ridiculous for balancing. Think of the inverse version of Evelynn.

SerpensDec 28, 20141 votes

Jinx has true sight on her Zap!

ExecutorDillDec 28, 20141 votes

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Jinx has true sight on her Zap!

I mean true sight without hitting or targeting someone. Like a self cast

TheKingDodoDec 28, 20141 votes

RekSai ?

BudupopsDec 29, 20141 votes

LeeSin has true sight

MrBuffingtonDec 29, 20141 votes

Do you mean true sight for detecting stealth units? Because some champions already have abilities that reveal stealth. Or do you mean true sight as in reveals wards too? Because that would be pretty cool, probably OP and would negate Red Trinket, but pretty cool

ExecutorDillDec 29, 20141 votes

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Do you mean true sight for detecting stealth units? Because some champions already have abilities that reveal stealth. Or do you mean true sight as in reveals wards too? Because that would be pretty cool, probably OP and would negate Red Trinket, but pretty cool

True sight on one champ could never negate red trinket. Because champions without it all still take the. It like how Quinn's w give her mov spd when she attacks a target marked with her passive. People who prefer other champions but want this same feature would buy the furor enhancement on boots: item 3252 item 3257 item 3262 item 3267 item 3272 item 3277 item 3282

MrBuffingtonDec 29, 20142 votes

...yea that's what i meant...

PrinceOfStormsDec 29, 20141 votes

IMO Nidalee should have true sight of champions in bush within range of her passive, if she is facing them.

Ariel the CruelDec 29, 20142 votes

The rework wasn't enough of a buff already? How about we make her less irritating to play against first.

Enraged PigletDec 30, 20141 votes

nidalee hasn't been considered strong since about when gnar was released. Though ya the ability he's proposing is a bit much I think.

flibitydooDec 29, 20141 votes

Yes it would be OP.

That champion would rapidly become pick or ban at high levels or play.

The ability to outright detect and destroy enemy vision = baron/dragon becomes autowin = 100% pick/ban rate.

Lee sin, Cait and Twisted Fate's true sight only adds some counterplay to stealth champs (which, stealth as a mechanic, has few true counters). But the ability to just straight up guarantee 100% no-enemy wards at all phases of the game on Baron is just outright broken.

SammystormDec 29, 20141 votes

Lee sin use to have it on his e. They removed it because it was too strong and it was a glitch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3Vu55TiKAc

NinjaFiferDec 29, 20141 votes

Yeah, just the ability to clear wards at a whim would be super OP no matter what lane you were in. If it were on a whole minute CD, maybe. Just maybe. Then again, I'd be pissed if a whole skill of mine went towards ward hunting instead of fighting.

Could be interesting to give a champion the Chicken Smite Buff as a passive though, on a 1:30 cooldown. Make it easier on your jungler for ganks if you laned, or make it easier to jungle in general.

Here's an idea: Yasuo can have two awesome passives at once, so why not just slap the above passive on Shen? Period.

GreedaloxDec 29, 20141 votes

Velkoz needs true sight. He is quite literally a giant eye after all.

IndorfinDec 29, 20141 votes

I really like this idea, it just needs some kind of limiter that makes you have to use it wisely. For example, he could have true vision while his w shield is up, or have true vision of anybody marked by vorpal blade.

Potato DocDec 29, 20141 votes

How about instead of true sight passive we have a new mechanic pure/perfect sight In essence they can always see in a perfect circle around them in the usual range of vision, regardless of walls or cliffs,

however any stealthed unit (including grass) cannot be seen unless you also have true sight

as an example, instead of having to ward dragon to see your enemies fighting dragon, instead this (i would assume support) could just walk close enough and you would see as much of the dragon pit as your vision range allows, so if you are right next to the wall you can see the health on dragon

Enraged PigletDec 30, 20141 votes

It sounds like oracles

Potato DocDec 30, 20141 votes

oracles doesnt allow your vision to go through walls

VisigothDec 29, 20141 votes

Wait, like, as in a champion that basically gets a free sweeper. As in, not like Lee vision or Corki Q vision, but you can walk around and see ward with an ability/passive?