Can you have a True Neutral in this game?

RookPusher·Aug 3, 2018·1 votes·960 views

What if, for example, a champ's passive was Bard Shrines. But any of the 10 players in the game who stepped on them got healed?

Would you be a determent to your team by picking a champ like that?

16 Comments

Deez CritsAug 3, 20183 votes

We have 1 as far as I'm aware: Kindred ultimate. And her ultimate does have the potential to benefit the enemy more than her own team depending on when it is used.

SugeMinPikkAug 3, 20181 votes

She can even give enemies ardent censer with it lmao

Deez CritsAug 3, 20182 votes

That's awkward... I didn't know that. But I guess I haven't seen it in my games (yet!) either lol

BavalAug 3, 20183 votes

You could, but people would absolutely hate them. Im reminded of "Im Jarvan Im helping"

The champion would have to have extra powerful abilities to make up for the fact that they could do nothing for your team, which means if the players played well with them they would feel OP and if they didnt they would throw entire games.

In addition it would be obviously incredibly easy to troll with them, which Riot tries to avoid.

Quiet DudeAug 3, 20183 votes

Shen

You can ult in to save your team and taunt the enemy, but he's also completely useless in everything else. It's basically a 5v4 and a Shen

The truest of neutrals.

DuskDaUmbreonAug 3, 20181 votes

Shen has no abilities that can help the enemy team at all, besides a Kayn ulting him after he ults, and is therefore unable to qualify as this at all.

Quiet DudeAug 3, 20182 votes

Shen helps the enemy team by being a nonexistant team mate. He's basically a walking void in a team composition, only able to help his own team by ulting or managing to taunt at the right moment, but other than that, he helps the enemy team by simply being Shen.

Like I said, it's a 5v4... and a Shen

He helps both sides by simply being.

DuskDaUmbreonAug 3, 20181 votes

That's...not how it works.

Shen also dishes out a rather large amount of damage for being a tank, and has his W. He also doesn't need to ult in to protect his teammates - Merely the threat of a Shen with his ult ready makes people have to consider a lot more whether or not that isolated ADC is actually easy to kill or not.

Also, Shen helps snowball bot from level 6 onward...

Quiet DudeAug 3, 20182 votes

That's a cute story. Does Santa and the Easter Bunny hang out with this mythical version of Shen you're telling me about?

DuskDaUmbreonAug 3, 20181 votes

No, it hangs out with the mastery 6 token I have for him.

As you're level 10, I don't see you having have played Shen much (He's an expensive champion, after all, meaning it'd have taken a few levels to get him, and you don't have enough levels to have played more than 10 matches after you did unlock him), and I doubt you've had many opportunities to utilize him to the extent of his capabilities. May I suggest playing with him a bit more to learn his actual capabilities? You might find him to be quite unlike what you seem to think of him.

Quiet DudeAug 3, 20181 votes

This is my alt account, but I’ve heard enough from you to now dream of this wonder-Shen you speak of. Maybe someday he will be as real as you make him seem to be

DuskDaUmbreonAug 3, 20181 votes

Riot tends to avoid that unless the ability is incredibly powerful and needs that to tone it back (See: Bard's E, Kindred's R), or because that allows it to be used in multiple ways (Such as Bard's ult).

RookPusherAug 3, 20181 votes

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Riot tends to avoid "that" unless the ability is incredibly powerful and needs "that" to tone it back (See: Bard's E, Kindred's R), or because "that" allows it to be used in multiple ways (Such as Bard's ult).

You use "that" 3 times and for the life of me I can't determine exactly what you mean with each.

DrCyanideAug 3, 20182 votes

In all 3 cases, "that" = ability able to effect allies and enemies the same way. It's pretty clear given your OP.

The EcdysiastAug 3, 20181 votes

Kindred's Ultimate is already stupid enough.

There is no reason for champions to have abilities that help the enemies, plain and simple.

RookPusherAug 3, 20181 votes

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Kindred's Ultimate is already stupid enough.

There is no reason for champions to have abilities that help the enemies, plain and simple.

Yeah, the reason would be that it invites strategy, and as a matter of narrative, is a true neutral. Still, I thank you for your downvote.