Why do you give Gold and above Victorious skins but not the rest of the players?

SnugglePuggle94·Oct 3, 2015·3 votes·3,396 views

Personally, that seems like you guys are biased towards the ones that have made it out of elo hell and completely forgotten those that are stuck in Bronze and Silver and can't get out because of your stupid matchmaking. Just like Championship skins get released every year to be sold, why can't Victorious ones be too?

You also are losing out on a lot of money that you could be getting if you let them be available for purchase. Butttt no, you give them to the rank that most of the majority of players can never get too.

Not fair, Riot. Not fair.

Edit: All of you posting comments saying it is fair and that I'm a child, blah blah. Stop being rude. It is not fair they get skins for being lucky enough to get to Gold while the rest of us can never get out of Bronze or Silver. That is being biased and nothing that you say will change that. So don't post negative or rude comments. I will downvote and report.

89 Comments

ModWulf HelhammerOct 3, 201518 votes

No.

If you didn't work hard enough to get to gold, then you don't get a skin. You'll still get an icon, but that's it. Or in other words: The reward reflects the work

The Bearded BardOct 3, 20152 votes

While I do agree with you, I'm not going to pretend the matchmaking is fair. Put it this way, I haven't 'worked hard' for gold the past two years. I play my ten promo games and end up in gold because that's what I was the year before. Sure, getting to gold the first time was difficult, but after that the system just automatically places you there.

SnugglePuggle94Oct 3, 20152 votes

Bullcrap. A ton of us work our butts off and still get placed in Bronze or Silver, and can never get out because we get trolls, afkers, and people who need to go back to training courses. We are stuck forever and no matter how hard we try, it's ridiculously hard to get out. It's not fair the people who got lucky to get a better placement and get better teammates to push up to gold get the skins and we don't.

Baseball3bOct 3, 20158 votes

Matchmaking sucks but if you really feel you should be gold you should be able to carry most games in bronze.

Though I'd like to see another reward for Bronze/silver besides the icon, the Victorious skin should stay for those gold and above

MimyOct 3, 201514 votes

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TheLastShadow45Oct 3, 201511 votes

If they gave them out to everyone then would they truly be rewarding?

SnugglePuggle94Oct 3, 20151 votes

Give Gold players and above some other kind of reward then. Or let them be available for purchase for a limited time, just once. So that way people can get them and when the sale is over, it's completely over and will never be done again.

It's not fair they get the skins and we will never will.

QwertycwerOct 3, 20157 votes

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Give Gold players and above some other kind of reward then. Or let them be available for purchase for a limited time, just once. So that way people can get them and when the sale is over, it's completely over and will never be done again.

It's not fair they get the skins and we will never will.

It is fair. Fairness doesn't mean everyone gets the same thing even if they do nothing. They have worked hard to climb to gold+, and since the whole point of the victorious skins are to reward them, if you give them to everyone they lose some of their meaning.

Let's say someone is Bronze V and blames matchmaking and elo hell for not being able to climb. What's "victorious" about that?

SnugglePuggle94Oct 3, 20151 votes

No its not. We work hard and still get placed bad. Then matchmaking makes it even more hard and more impossible to get out. This was my first season of ranked. I got Bronze 1. You wanna know how bad my matches got? It was so bad I got demoted to Bronze 5 and was stuck there for half a year and finally just got to Bronze 4.

It is not fair.

12a12b12dOct 3, 20151 votes

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No its not. We work hard and still get placed bad. Then matchmaking makes it even more hard and more impossible to get out. This was my first season of ranked. I got Bronze 1. You wanna know how bad my matches got? It was so bad I got demoted to Bronze 5 and was stuck there for half a year and finally just got to Bronze 4.

It is not fair.

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Deep Terror NamiOct 3, 201510 votes

Why wouldn't they put special rewards for being above average? That's only logical in a competitive game.
If they gave everybody the same rewards, there's no incentive to get any higher. You'd just log in and retrieve it and not play. If you don't play more, you won't spend as much (if any) money. If people don't stick around to play and spend, then they have failed as a business.
If they did give you the rewards, then they'd have to make something new for higher tiers. Then the beggars would want those too. Where would you stop?

Angry MonsterOct 5, 20153 votes

the OP is not average. he is b4 rated bottom 10%.

Cosmicpanda2Oct 5, 20151 votes

salty poster is salty

insaiyanbaccaOct 3, 20154 votes

no, im in bronze and i think it would be stupid if anyone below gold got them its suppose to be an achievement that you worked hard to get to gold+ this is all a part of the "everybody is a winner" mentality. the way it should be and i hope it stays that way is that if your below gold you cant get it simple as that. and no not everybody is a winner in every game that can have a winner there will always be losers.

FooDangOct 3, 20154 votes

This isn't Little League. Everybody does not get a trophy.

SnugglePuggle94Oct 3, 20151 votes

Don't be rude. If you read my post then you would've read that I said not to be like that.

FooDangOct 3, 20152 votes

You might be the OP but you cant filter my responses. This is an open discussion and I can reply however I want.

You cant say those who legitimately got into Gold are lucky. Just by looking at your cs per minute on op.gg If you got elo boosted into gold I can almost guarantee if you constantly played ranked you'd drop back down to bronze.

SnugglePuggle94Oct 3, 20151 votes

My CS does not determine how good I am in games. Wow. If I get to gold I will certainly be able to stay in it. Don't just be rude and assume things.

FooDangOct 3, 20154 votes

Mechanics = CS CS = Gold Gold = Items Items = Strength Strength = Win

TLDR: Work on your CS and you might win more

SnugglePuggle94Oct 4, 20151 votes

Shut up. You are just wrong. I've won many games and continue to win games even with low CS. So what you say doesn't mean shit.

FooDangOct 4, 20153 votes

CS is the difference between returning to lane with a BF sword or a pickaxe...to an ADC that shit means a lot...

SnugglePuggle94Oct 4, 20151 votes

Yea but I've won many games and 1 v 1 duels later even if I had to come back to lane with a pick axe. Just stop arguing with me. You aren't doing shit lol

FooDangOct 4, 20152 votes

The Great Bronze Fallacy. Dominating really bad players makes them think they are better than they really are. In actuality the dominated player cant go lower than b5 so they get stuck playing vs those who are better than them.

SnugglePuggle94Oct 4, 20151 votes

Ha. Nice try. Just shut up. I'm playing with those I am better then and even beat those that are supposedly better than I am. Now I'm done with you and your stupid arguments.

FooDangOct 4, 20151 votes

My argument was cs = mechanics. Mechanics = win. Add me in game and ill be glad to play norms with you and your friends/bf and maybe offer tips/ boost norm mmr slightly to play vs tougher opponents. Sorry for being rude but Im kind of a D bag lol ask my friends irl.

SnugglePuggle94Oct 4, 20151 votes

It doesn't always lead to cs being in the winning factor. Most of the time maybe yes, but not all the time. And it's not always the major factor either.

Apology accepted.

Angry MonsterOct 3, 20155 votes

he is not being rude, you are being overly sensitive. Little league give participation rewards out to all the kids, LoL does not. it is a fair contrast, at some point you need to grow up and realize that trying hard is not enough.

Results do matter.

SnugglePuggle94Oct 3, 20151 votes

He is being rude, and talking about Little league is like he's saying I'm a kid. Not cool. That's rude.

I try very hard to win ranked games. Don't ever say that it's not enough.

Angry MonsterOct 3, 20154 votes

Man starwars comes into play so hard here.

You sound like a kid with

He is being rude, and talking about Little league is like he's saying I'm a kid. Not cool. That's rude.

and Don't ever say that it's not enough

He is stating a fact, only little kids should expect participation rewards. Life is not about just trying hard; it is about adapting and moving forward.

I try very hard to win ranked games. Don't ever say that it's not enough.

It is not enough, no one ever said your that effort without progress was enough in this game.

How old are you? this is a serious question cause i would guess with the way you act; you might be 13.

SnugglePuggle94Oct 3, 20151 votes

I'm 21, for your freaking information. I want the skins because they are rare and having one shows the teams, "oh, this gal is the shit, watch out."

It's not a fact. I'm not a kid. I just want what is fair.

I try as hard as I can and just got promoted. But even doing your best, it's hard to win with the qualifications of what Bronze has, like trolls, afkers, and those that need to get out of ranked because they suck. You can be 30-5 and still lose because the team has no dragon awareness, no map awareness, feeding, etc. I work my butt off and still can't progress.

You guys need to stop being fucking rude. I'm about tired of it. Keep badmouthing me and I will report.

Angry MonsterOct 3, 20152 votes

go ahead report, but you need to learn life is not fair.

You can want something all your life, does not mean you get it or deserver it.

I think i remember talking to you in the past. You were very upset when i mentioned that you were bottom 10% of the player base. You said stop or i will report, no i am not, i am not bad, and that is not fair back then also.

SnugglePuggle94Oct 4, 20151 votes

Yeah I was upset because you were saying things that aren't true. And still am.

Angry MonsterOct 4, 20152 votes

it still applies and everything i said was back then was true.

It is funny how no one agrees with you.

SnugglePuggle94Oct 4, 20151 votes

Nope. It does not. Plus I don't even believe you anyway.

Angry MonsterOct 4, 20152 votes

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=SnugglePuggle94+

the site compares the whole ranked ladder. While sites can not know exact MMR, calculating overall ladder position is just simple math though.

Keep dreaming or wake up. You are only hurting yourself.

KivolanOct 3, 20153 votes

Grind it out. No matter how bad the matchmaking is, if you're good enough you will eventually climb.

Your match history doesn't indicate that you're that bad of a player, but it does look like you play a hell of a lot of normal games. Start grinding it out now and you'll make it to Gold.

SnugglePuggle94Oct 3, 20151 votes

Thank you for being like the only kind person on here. But yea I only play one ranked game a day, Monday thru Friday. The rest I play is normals. Reason why is because of getting such bad teammates I don't think its good to play multiple ranked games in a row. I lose more than I win.

CaythelesOct 3, 20151 votes

Well, you just need to keep playing, i would recommend someone you can duo with should join you.

Anyway, just remember that we all went through your Trials, the Shitty matchmaking. and we overcame it, so we deserve a bit of love after going through riots Saw III torture, the players who deserve it will rise to the challenge.

SnugglePuggle94Oct 4, 20151 votes

I've duo-ed in ranked before. Not a good idea.

CaythelesOct 4, 20151 votes

Someone you trust, i duo-ed with someone i trusted in skill and we dominated the game from silver to gold. But some methods work for some people and some work for others.

therealdragonOct 3, 20152 votes

Before I type out everything thats wrong and/or right let me just say that I think you are a fairly decent player. I might also point out where you might go wrong in games but my question is would you listen or say "screw you you don't know shit"?

If you're going to say the latter I won't bother typing but if you want some advice, I can try to offer some.

SnugglePuggle94Oct 3, 20151 votes

I will listen. Most the time people on here think I'm bad for just being in Bronze and don't say anything but mean things. But if you are fairly nice I will listen.

therealdragonOct 3, 20153 votes

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I will listen. Most the time people on here think I'm bad for just being in Bronze and don't say anything but mean things. But if you are fairly nice I will listen.

Well your kda's seem to be good. so I guess laning phase goes well for you. Gets you moderately fed.

The problems I see however is in 80% of your builds, no matter what role you are, you build cloth armor or chain vest? Why would you build these on adcs or mages? Like I can understand starting a zhonyas but there's no reason you should build it on adc. Especially when its known cloth armor is 300g. Know what only costs 250g and is crucial to gameplay? Upgrading your wards. I only see you do it one time out of the first page of your ranked solo games. Forget the armor on adcs. Just throw it out the window and help your support out by warding.

Speaking of warding, you aren't even buying them. If you are below lv 9 and don't have enough for an item yet, buy 3 stealth wards and ward where you're going. Going to lane? Ward the river to prevent ganks. Going to dragon? Ward around it so you can prevent steals. Ward ward WARD.

I've also noticed your cs. I've taken a look at mine because I forgot how much you should have by 20m and I know mine's not the best but I do get a bit. So, even if its wrong, I'm gonna say you should have at least 100 cs by 20m. So using that (which is still pretty damn low I think) I look at some games and....

karma-138cs 45m ashe-108cs 35m sivir-218cs ashe-158 cs 50m ahri-100 cs 30m

So yeah....you need to improve your cs'ing skills as if you look at mine, while bad, is still better.

There's also roaming....I think this is self explanatory. If you're doing good, help out the other lanes. Just make sure, if you can't help a losing lane (say a 1/5 gp and a 5/2 ahri gank a darius and you give him a double). Don't bother ganking more. Try to snowball a winning lane. If you and the lane snowball enough, you'll be able to beat whatever enemy is fed. (unless they're all fed in which case you're screwed.)

Thats all I can think of. Hope you won't belittle me because of my b1 rank. But I did successfully climb up from b4 so....I might know some stuff lol.

SnugglePuggle94Oct 3, 20151 votes

Cloth armor is a recipe item for Zhonya's, and I get those on most mages. But cloth armor is also an item for other defensive items, like Thornmail, Frozen Heart, and others. I get those on ADCs or assasins or tanks. Especially if the enemy's fed carry is AD.

Speaking of wards, early game I rather not spend the money on them. I need to get my first items as quick as I can and that takes money out of pocket. I do use my ward though, rather well.

Onto my CS. Yes, I know it's bad good lord. With mages like Karma, her AA animation absolutely sucks and its not good wasting mana early game to farm with it unless I'm playing one like Annie where it refunds half my mana.

I roam a lot of I'm mid. Especially if the laning phase hasn't resulted in any kills. I know that.

therealdragonOct 3, 20152 votes

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Cloth armor is a recipe item for Zhonya's, and I get those on most mages. But cloth armor is also an item for other defensive items, like Thornmail, Frozen Heart, and others. I get those on ADCs or assasins or tanks. Especially if the enemy's fed carry is AD.

my point: don't. Stop building tank items like those on adcs and assassins. adcs and assassins are not tanks, they are damage dealers. Get an extra long sword or so as 10 ad will help more for an adc than 15 armor.

so DON'T build tank items. I get building the cloth on mages to get zhonyas. Thats fine. But don't get those on adcs. The only thing I get thats fighter/tank related on an adc, which still isn't always acceptable, is a black cleaver. But I only get it as my last item.

Speaking of wards, early game I rather not spend the money on them. I need to get my first items as quick as I can and that takes money out of pocket. I do use my ward though, rather well.

I get that, but if you only have 200g bc you had to back super early and have absolutely no gold for items for an adc, get wards. a useless enemy gank means you don't die which means you farm more which could be the difference between you winning and losing lane. So when possible, get wards.

Onto my CS. Yes, I know it's bad good lord. With mages like Karma, her AA animation absolutely sucks and its not good wasting mana early game to farm with it unless I'm playing one like Annie where it refunds half my mana.

All I can say is: practice and perhaps switch to other farm mages like brand or malz. Brand's w and e combo once he gets a few levels and an amp tome takes out half a minion wave. More if you place it really accurately. Malz's space aids op. There's also viktor, but due to his nerfs he takes a while to take out a wave fast. Try a farm mage. But if you're good with karma, don't fix what ain't broke.

I roam a lot of I'm mid. Especially if the laning phase hasn't resulted in any kills. I know that.

Well good. If you're doing good and your lanes are doing eh, roamings always good

SnugglePuggle94Oct 3, 20151 votes

My boyfriend who got me into League always says to get one defensive item, even on ADCs. Sure, building all damage and attack speed on an ADC is good, but come team fight, you have no defense against AP or AD besides what is in your runes/masteries, and whatever the support has gotten, like Locket and if they have any shields. Just like most games, the ADC is the focus, and without any defense, you just get melted even more quickly. It also helps me 1 v 1 duels, as I can outlast my ADC counterpart much better and win trades. No matter what role I play, I get at least one defensive item, unless I am just extremely fed and know I can outlast anyone just by the insanely fast burst damage I do.

I do get a couple wards if I only have a little money left over from my recipe items I get, either that or a couple pots.

I do practice my CS. But come mid game, the focus of CSing turns to objectives and helping the team more. I feel like I do more of my part to help the team with that then just sitting in lane farming. Also, early game, I mix my time between poking and CSing, and I try to get kills when I can. So my CSing sucks, but I'm getting my job done and doing it fairly well.

BhagswagOct 5, 20152 votes

No, you need to literally be a glass cannon. Your support is there to keep them off you long enough that you can dish out the damage. You get defensive items (like Banshee's) in the late game, where you are full build and there's a lot of magic going around. Your priority IS damage, not defense.

SnugglePuggle94Oct 5, 20151 votes

Lol. That's what I mainly do. I don't get a defensive item til late game, and only get it mid game if I'm being extremely focused or can't seem to stay alive for crap. Otherwise I build damage than get a defensive item.

BhagswagOct 5, 20151 votes

I don't really know of any ADC who benefits mid game from some defense rather than some more offense. Maybe someone like MF who can build Black Cleaver (I've seen it work, lol)?

SnugglePuggle94Oct 5, 20151 votes

Me either. Like I said I get it late game unless specific circumstances.