@Meddler, stop nerfing Evelynn

SnugglePuggle94·Oct 23, 2015·69 votes·4,115 views

This whole year, I have checked every single patch. Each patch Eve was in, they were nerfs. Whether it be a damage deduction, mana increase or a mana cost put on a spell, or CD increase, you keep nerfing the shit out of her.

I and Eve fans have had enough. Stop it.

She deserves none of these nerfs, and all the while you keep doing this to her, Fiora and Garen get true damage, Lee Sin is buffed out of nowhere for no reason other to help the high elo shit on players even more and low elo be the ones getting shitted on, Morde is changed into a dragon ulting bot laner, etc. Those that don't need buffs get them, while those that actually need them either get nerfed to shit or given nothing at all.

For the love of low elo, stop nerfing Evelynn and give her some actual buffs.

Thank you.

126 Comments

RebonackOct 23, 201520 votes

Riot needs to just make it so her Innate treats green wards as champions for the purpose of spotting her.

Then make it so she gets the (!) regardless of whether she can see the target or not so that she'll know a ward has spotted her so she can sweeper it.

That would open up a HUGE amount of kit power for Eve while retaining her stealthy feel.

YuGiHoOct 23, 20151 votes

So make her be able to detect wards? why make eve the ward slayer she already hunts pinks

maikokkOct 23, 20154 votes

it would be an interesting side effect, but not the point. if green wards spotted her without her spotting them then evelyn would never have the surprise factor unless enemies kept warding in predictable spots

however, it would be a nice niche for a stealth character to have a selfish reason to focus on vision control.

alfavhunterOct 23, 20152 votes

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Riot needs to just make it so her Innate treats green wards as champions for the purpose of spotting her.

Then make it so she gets the (!) regardless of whether she can see the target or not so that she'll know a ward has spotted her so she can sweeper it.

That would open up a HUGE amount of kit power for Eve while retaining her stealthy feel.

This would work quite well

With this change they can tie a slow to her Q or give her some base stats / scaling back

And W should work like this for mana if it must have a cost 40/30/20/10/0. This means at late game it will have no cost again, while still weakening her early game mobility, which was their goal for the change to begin with

Pentarina OnlyOct 23, 20159 votes

I hope Riot guts Evelynn . Perma stealth bull shit.

GrashnimOct 23, 201515 votes

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I hope Riot guts . Perma stealth bull shit.

Have you tried a pink ward? Or the upgraded scanner? Works nicely.

Rustling BushOct 23, 20156 votes

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Have you tried a pink ward? Or the upgraded scanner? Works nicely.

just put pink wards everywhere, WARD THE ENTIRE MAP IN THEM AND ITS K.

pink wards can help during the laning phase but that means your wasting space and gold on a champion that will just go stealth after destroying it and return moments later, unlike shaco/rengar/akali ect. whose stealth is limited to their abilities and has a cool down.

LankPantsOct 23, 20153 votes

Or the upgraded scanner?

That kind of does not very much. If Eve's in range to be seen by the true sight she tends to be revealed anyway.

Pink wards do work well though.

General Esdeath Oct 23, 20151 votes

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Have you tried a pink ward? Or the upgraded scanner? Works nicely.

As much as I agree with OP's post, I do hate how early game she can invade/gank with little no no issue. These nerfs made her early game bad and I think that's fine since early game is when she's really at her best since you can't upgrade a trinket yet.

Bears Dont CareOct 24, 20151 votes

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As much as I agree with OP's post, I do hate how early game she can invade/gank with little no no issue. These nerfs made her early game bad and I think that's fine since early game is when she's really at her best since you can't upgrade a trinket yet.

Her early game damage is so bad, a tank jungler such as gragas can burst harder than her. her strongest point is mid game which is average at best.

bad early game bad late game average mid game

champions with no cc rely on damage to be effective. she does not have either..cause...you know...seeing her before she can hit you is op.

SnugglePuggle94Oct 23, 201510 votes

She's already been gutted.

Pentarina OnlyOct 23, 20151 votes

No they didn't she is still broken as ever.

SnugglePuggle94Oct 23, 20154 votes

No. She can't do crap in this tank meta. She's been gutted and is still getting nerfed.

3TWarriorOct 23, 20158 votes

lol, she can't even do her "assassinry" against squishy targets unless they're horribly out of position

ShonjlOct 24, 20151 votes

I have no idea what you are talking about. She can build pure tank other than her Jng item and still be able to kill people with ease and take 5 years to kill.

Is it really that hard to just spam click one button til someone dies and if you somehow get in danger to press another and run away? Sadly due to how powerful her passive is, until its nerfed or even downright removed she will permenantly be nerfed.

InivtesPreezeOct 23, 20151 votes

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I hope Riot guts . Perma stealth bull shit.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/50697680

Spams Katarina, trolls in ranked (look at all those cloth armors on nasus, and the swords on kat), and is trash.

Stay mad, bronze trash.

Pentarina OnlyOct 24, 20151 votes

I do those last ssecond buys, sell everything and buy random shit just before the game ends.

LankPantsOct 23, 20159 votes

I just hate Riot's treatment of the jungle. I don't care what they say, they hate diversity.

When ever a champ that's not Lee Sin or Rek'sai becomes a competitive pick they're so quick to nerf them, quite often into the ground. Lee Sin's not a top pick for a full 5 minutes? He clearly needs to be buffed.

I liked the Cinderhulk meta. Why? Because it was nice to see champs who aren't Lee Sin as top picks. I feel about the same way about Eve. She's a unique champ and shouldn't be gutted in the same way as champs like Sej were.

manbearswineOct 23, 20151 votes

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I just hate Riot's treatment of the jungle. I don't care what they say, they hate diversity.

When ever a champ that's not Lee Sin or Rek'sai becomes a competitive pick they're so quick to nerf them, quite often into the ground. Lee Sin's not a top pick for a full 5 minutes? He clearly needs to be buffed.

I liked the Cinderhulk meta. Why? Because it was nice to see champs who aren't Lee Sin as top picks. I feel about the same way about Eve. She's a unique champ and shouldn't be gutted in the same way as champs like Sej were.

Don't compare sej to eve,they are polar opposites,one is one of the most oppressive junglers in existence,the other is one of the least. Sej didn't deserve to be destroyed,eve does deserve to be destroyed but never has been,and remains very strong,the people on the boards are simply too busy being bad to realize that.

SnugglePuggle94Oct 23, 20154 votes

We are not bad. Eve has never been strong in my elo, and she is still getting nerfed to shit, which makes her play even worse in my elo. That's why I call on Riot to stop it.

manbearswineOct 23, 20151 votes

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We are not bad.

Yes,bronze 4 is the new bronze 3,I know.

Eve has never been strong in my elo,

How does that support your argument? Is it really news to you that bronze 4 is bad?

and she is still getting nerfed to shit, which makes her play even worse in my elo. That's why I call on Riot to stop it.

Stop asking riot to balance around trash tier then?

SnugglePuggle94Oct 23, 20153 votes

Stop being a mean prick. Reported.

manbearswineOct 23, 20152 votes

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Stop being a mean prick. Reported.

Well I'm sorry for pointing out the obvious,I thought everyone knew that the very bottom of the skill tier is bad,apparently I overestimated some people.

SnugglePuggle94Oct 23, 20151 votes

They are not. It's just your rude opinion.

manbearswineOct 23, 20151 votes

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They are not.

Of course they are,there's only one tier worse than bronze 4.

It's just your rude opinion.

You being in extreme denial won't change reality,you are among the very worst players in this game.

SnugglePuggle94Oct 23, 20151 votes

Wow. How fucking mean of you. I am not in denial nor am I apart of the worst in the game. Everyone, report this asshole.

manbearswineOct 23, 20151 votes

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Wow. How fucking mean of you.

Well,being a captain of the obvious requires great resolve,sometimes people don't handle the truth well,still,I am committed to spreading the obvious.

I am not in denial nor am I apart of the worst in the game.

You see,considering that you are bronze 4,this statement is highly self contradicting.

Everyone, report this asshole.

Well I'm sorry that you don't like reality.

SnugglePuggle94Oct 23, 20151 votes

Just shut up. Everyone knows what you are saying is not true. I'm done with you.

manbearswineOct 24, 20151 votes

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Everyone knows what you are saying is not true.

You're kidding right?

EVERYONE knows bronze 4(and bronze in general) is bad,it's just that evelynn support threads are filled with delusional and bad players,but the general playerbase sees bronze-the bottom of the skill tier,as bad.

SnugglePuggle94Oct 24, 20151 votes

Shut up, you rude ass troll. I don't believe you. Now I'm done responding to your mean comments. Don't talk to me again.

ShonjlOct 24, 20151 votes

While that guy was rude. What he is saying isn't false, regardless if you like it or not. Bronze is trash tier. Everyone knows it. I haven't even done ranked yet but I won't be surprised if I sadly get into bronze or if I am lucky silver. But that still doesn't change Bronze is literally the worst of all ranks, with 4 being literally 1 above the absolute worst one.

Is it so hard for people to just admit that even if like 80% of people are in Bronze, that it just means most people that play League just suck? It isn't that end of the world.

SnugglePuggle94Oct 24, 20151 votes

Not all people in Bronze are complete trash. They can actually play well. He's saying that everyone is trash including me, and he's being a mean fuck about it.

HawkefireOct 23, 20154 votes

I somewhat disagree with you about Rek, as she has been nerfed quite heavily numerous times.

SithesisLordOct 23, 20159 votes

Perma stealth is toxic?

And Yasuo double passive isn´t?

And Draven isn´t?

And Fizz isn´t?

If Eve ganks, she´ll rely on her laner's CC to be able to pull it off.

Her E is close range, and even the scuttle crab does more damage than her Q.

Is she an early game jungler? Yes, obviously.

Is she a very hard CC reliant jungler? Definitely.

She's an early game jungler in presence only. Her pressure is shit, ganking potential pre-6 is shit and post-6 it´s mediocre at best.

You see, the thing about Evelynn is that:

Warrior Eve: Squishy. Easy to kill. Devourer Eve: Same Runeglaive Eve: Same Cinderhulk Eve: It was interesting to do in the tank meta, but, people who build CH on Eve are batshit crazy.

qetzelOct 23, 20154 votes

Two things.

Firstly, from what I understand, Evelynn did far too well once you get good with her. Of course, you should be rewarded for playing her well, but there is a limit.

Secondly, she received buffs in 5.1, 5.6 and 5.7. This suggests that Riot wants her to be viable. The issue is that there is a fine line between "viable" and "OP" for Evelynn because of her incredibly annoying stealth and spammy kit. Small changes make a big difference.

SnugglePuggle94Oct 23, 20152 votes

5.7 was a long time ago. She has been constantly nerfed and can't do shit.

Guy Fox TeemoOct 23, 20154 votes

Look, she's not going to do shit, until she gets a rework. Her Stealth is much to strong, you Evelyn players are just to blind to see that. Think about this PERMANENT STEALTH. The only thing to counter it from her roaming the map taking every single objective in the jungle without being noticed is pink wards. But those wards are expensive and can just be taken down repeatedly and she can just go right back in the moment she takes it.

MathbalnaseOct 23, 20158 votes

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The only thing to counter it from her roaming the map taking every single objective in the jungle without being noticed is pink wards.

Well that's just factually wrong.

Whenever she interacts with a camp (or even activates her MS bonus to get to the next camp faster), her stealth goes on CD. If you have a single standard ward placed to monitor a camp she's taking, you should 'notice' her.

Guy Fox TeemoOct 23, 20152 votes

Yes obviously, she'll then take the camp and leave go stealth and take something somewhere else, it's not like she can't get back stealth again right after.

MathbalnaseOct 23, 201510 votes

No, she can't 'get back stealth again right after'. She is destealthed from the moment she engages the camp until 6/5/4/3 seconds after the fight ends.

CrownsyOct 23, 20153 votes

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Look, she's not going to do shit, until she gets a rework. Her Stealth is much to strong, you Evelyn players are just to blind to see that. Think about this PERMANENT STEALTH. The only thing to counter it from her roaming the map taking every single objective in the jungle without being noticed is pink wards. But those wards are expensive and can just be taken down repeatedly and she can just go right back in the moment she takes it.

or literally a green ward at any camp you want to know she's at, but I don't want to slow you down with facts, you have a good rant going.

I play sup, and against eve one of the first roaming wards with Sightstone is the closest buff to us in her jungle. most of the time, she stops to clear it (gromp/ blue or Reds/ Golems depending on side)

"Hey look! I broke the OP champion! we should go to tower/ kill her if she's low on the clear, since she blows at diving."

Bears Dont CareOct 23, 20153 votes

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Two things.

Firstly, from what I understand, Evelynn did far too well once you get good with her. Of course, you should be rewarded for playing her well, but there is a limit.

Secondly, she received buffs in 5.1, 5.6 and 5.7. This suggests that Riot wants her to be viable. The issue is that there is a fine line between "viable" and "OP" for Evelynn because of her incredibly annoying stealth and spammy kit. Small changes make a big difference.

They reverted those buffs and turned them into nerfs actually.

Guy Fox TeemoOct 23, 20153 votes

No, Evelyn in her current state will never be strong, and won't receive buffs. She has PERMA STEALTH, it is the most toxic and broken ability in the game, it's so powerful it keeps any of her kit from ever even being slightly strong. And No, don't say pink ward, you can't cover the entire map with Pink wards. Either he perma stealth gets removed or you get nerfs after nerfs.

Shroom JunkieOct 23, 201510 votes

Not permastealthed. Slap her in the face, stealth gone. Get anyone close enough and you can see her. Pink ward a key point of the map she's probably walking on and you can get a fairly accurate idea of where she is.

Guy Fox TeemoOct 23, 20153 votes

"Fairly Accurate", I have to and 4 other people on my team spend 500 of the teams, gold to get 5 pink wards that still even then don't cover all key points. Her perma stealth, is not a fun to play against ability. It's annoying to play against and is extremely over powered. Just like poppys ult, it's why poppy is so massively nerf, because the moment she's strong, she is the most broken champion in the game.

Shroom JunkieOct 23, 20155 votes

You should be buying 5 pink wards anyway. If you're not you're probably in low bronze, even silvers buy and usually understand the importance of pinks.

And so what if its annoying? Plenty of abilities are annoying yet still in the game. Just because its toxic for you doesn't mean they should be nerfed. When they're OP, that's when they need nerfed. Evelynn is not OP.

Guy Fox TeemoOct 23, 20151 votes

Why wouldn't I buy pink wards? yes they are necessary but spending 500 gold is A LOT, when they can constantly be taken down. And no, I veyr much doubt low bronze or silver, knows the importance of wards, barely even plat does.

Shroom JunkieOct 23, 20151 votes

I get at least one or two pink wards every game, always carry one along with mine placed on the map when there's a stealth champ like Shaco or Rengar, and most of my friends in my division or higher at least place one pink ward per game.

If you're Plat and not placing pink wards at least once a game then you must be really lucky, or really good at carrying.

SnugglePuggle94Oct 23, 20159 votes

Perma stealth does nothing when she can't do any damage.

3TWarriorOct 23, 20153 votes

exactly...early game if she hits 10 of her Qs, that's 20 seconds of combat and it still won't kill you