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"Challenger Ahri" is still a horrible name

Tendrian··171 votes·12,584 views

...and should be changed back to Dauntless.

Since today is allegedly the day where Riot "resumes business", I thought it might be a good time to bring this issue to attention again.

There has already been a great thread with more than 100 upvotes about the topic on this very board that explains pretty in-depth why many people are dissatisfied with the name change. Theres's also a ton of negative feedback in the skin's PBE Thread. Even some folks over on Reddit have been complaining about it.

The short version:

  • Challenger is bound to cause confusion with the Challenger tier among newer players. There is just no reason to use this term for a skin when it already has a meaning in the LoL community and the two aren't linked whatsoever.

  • Challenger doesn't convey the beginning-of-the-season theme any better than Dauntless did - if you are a newer player without any idea about it, you wil have to look it up or ask someone about it either way - but Dauntless will at least be recognized as something of its own rather than lead to confusion with something else (see point above).

  • Dauntless was just a plain better name - it was really unique/creative and did a great job at invoking the fearlessness and ambition you feel at the start of a new season, which is why many players liked it and immediately felt attached to it. In comparison, Challenger just sounds weak, bland and boring.

  • Dumb "Challenged Ahri" jokes inbound.

So, considering all the relative attention this has gotten, can we at least have an update from a Rioter on the matter? Because so far there has been nothing - not even a statement why it was changed in the first place.

I'm a diehard Ahri main myself, so it would really bother me when this goes live with what I feel is an unfitting and boring name - especially since in that case it's most likely going to be the only skin for her I won't own.

Edit: This is now officially the second thread on the topic to reach more than 100 upvotes. Thanks so much for the support everyone! Now, if we could just get a statement from Riot on the matter...

**Edit2:**The splash art is on the PBE now, and it looks pretty awesome actually. Still nothing about the name though. It would be such a shame for this skin to not go live as the best possible version...

58 Comments

RogueFlameHaze26 votes

I liked the dauntless name better, the change just seemed odd,

PikaCHU5676 votes

I agree. Challenger seems just plain old to me, but Daultless sounds new and much much more better.

GaleWinUnleashed5 votes

"Dauntless" is a more impactful word due to the hard "D" and "T". "Challenger" sounds a bit flat. So it sounds more impressive, along with also getting the meaning across more effectively.

But the main reason to revert the change is because of the potential guaranteed confusion among those that don't keep up with this sort of news. There will be speculation that it is only available for Challenger tier, despite the fact that it has already been said to be available to everyone.

Onegarion4 votes

Challenger makes me think it should be colored like the challenger boarders.

Neo Cyrus4 votes

I think it has more to do with the fact that challenger sounds like an upcoming scrub, it sounds weak, and has a subconscious link to someone weaker taking on someone stronger. We're so used to seeing "challengers" in MMA/boxing/whatever sport getting shrekt. Dauntless is a stronger word in most people's minds, and a much more fitting title.

That and challenger just plain sounds stupid to try to have it as a title of anything, whether it's the name of a league or the name of a skin line.

RogueFlameHaze3 votes

It also sounds more bold, plus challenger is a word used in the game all the time and dauntless is a new term

Fowst10 votes

You have my support on this I much prefer Dauntless

Kiwi Wizard7 votes

I'll buy the skin regardless, but Dauntless is WAY better. It's a more colourful and vibrant word. Challenger gives me a sense of dullness and boredom :P

Realtor7 votes

i posted about this on the PBE feedback forum as soon as the name change was discovered. Haven't gotten any reply on the PBE forums at all from Riot, even though it seems that an overwhelming amount of testers agreed the name shouldn't have changed.

Part of the reason i think they changed it was people were confused at first about the concept, and i think they confused that with people being confused with the name too.

The name "Dauntless" is more fitting than challenger simply because of the meaning of the word. I understand Riot's intention is to have this celebrate the beginning of a new season, but what better word to describe this than a word that embodies the bold pursuit of your new goals regardless of the hurdles you'll face climbing the ladder.

Dauntless:

adjective

not to be daunted or intimidated; fearless; intrepid; bold: example: a dauntless hero.

What title could be better? Please reconsider changing this back, it's such an original and better word than "Challenger", and will simply confuse those without the skin, and annoy those with it from the constant "challenger fail" jokes. Sure we'll still get the annoying YA kiddies who think the word came from that stupid Divergent movie, but it's still so much better a title.

PLEASE CHANGE IT BACK RIOT!

Criomhthann6 votes

Dead god, change it back to Dauntless.

Narasimha5 votes

the fearlessness and ambition you feel at the start of a new season,

Really? You seriously feel that? Because all I feel is "Here we go again."

Tendrian5 votes

Really? You seriously feel that? Because all I feel is "Here we go again."

Well, not necessarily, but it is the feeling the skin seeks to invoke - and "Dauntless" does an infinitely better job at that than "Challenger", which is the point of my post.

Demonsolder215 votes

Yup thats the feeling I get.

Tentacle Love5 votes

When I hear "Challenger" I hear "Space Shuttle" and it's been quite a while. I agree that Dauntless is a better name, but to each his own.

OblongOtter4 votes

Dauntless sounds really cool. Challenger doesn't sound so cool. We need D's and T's, darnit. Take advantage of the way our english speaking brains work.

gubigubi4 votes

Dauntless is so much cooler than challenger. Challenger Ahri makes it seem like it was given to people who got challenger.

HuskerWolf824 votes

Wholeheartedly agree with the OP. I commented earlier on this but to summarize my points:

  1. General summation from observing comments from many people since the announcement: "Dauntless Ahri" = INSTA-BUY, "Challenger Ahri" = Not so sure I want it now. Best business decision to make profit off this skin would be to stick with Dauntless

  2. Anyone who signs on can be a "challenger", nothing special about that. But are those players "dauntless" in their determination to rise up the ranks? See. Dauntless has such a better sound to it to coincide with end-of-season "Victorious"

  3. Encourages toxicity Riot is trying to reign in by giving the trolls more ammo to harass someone wearing this skin. Don't enable the trolls Riot!

So yes, I am in full support in changing this back to "Dauntless" and hope someone in Riot sees the community backlash enough to listen on this issue.

Jeanne fan club4 votes

The name is completely irrelevant and offers no benefit to riot if the name is "challenger ahri". There are a LOT of people that prefer "Dauntless Ahri" because of its creative name. To be honest dauntless fits the skin a lot better than challenger because it makes her sound more threatening and confident, challenger doesn't and makes her sound like she wasn't good in the first place. Yes, we understand that its a new season and there is reason to celebrate but its not worth celebrating the skin if its against what the community has to say. Lots of people really like the skin design and will get it either way but it would be a lot more satisfying if it gets its name changed back. Yes it may have sounded good on paper to change it to challenger ahri but the community says otherwise. Its a great skin and riot did a great job on it in my opinion but "challenger ahri" just doesnt sound right. If riot really wants a challenger skin they should make one for Fiora because she doesn't really have any skins. RITO PLZ, BRING BECK TEH DAUNTLESS Ahri

Genoto3 votes

I would have to agree with Dauntless being "just a plain better name." I was even starting to practice Ahri more in preparation for the skin!

cars3 votes

Dauntless pls.

Inb4 Bronzies getting it

Korzaski3 votes

Dauntless would be way better, yeah.

Realtor3 votes

New splash art just came out, it's SO epic. What a shame with this name. PLEASE CHANGE IT BACK RIOT!

Riftic2 votes

Dauntless is definitely the superior name.

  • It's a more vivid word, and it fits both the theme of the skin and Ahri better than Challenger does
  • Challenger just sounds way too similar to the Championship skin series that already exists
  • Challenger is the name of a division, and it's just begging for confusion ("Do I need to be in challenger to get that skin?" "Challenger Ahri, are they in challenger?")
Tendrian2 votes

Dauntless is definitely the superior name.

  • It's a more vivid word, and it fits both the theme of the skin and Ahri better than Challenger does

Agree 100%. Dauntless just sounds so much more powerful. Challenger... Challenger just doesn't do it in comparison.

Asul2 votes

I logged in just to give this one an upvote.

Jíhäd2 votes

The name challenger ahri doesnt fit the skin honesly

Uiru2 votes

Awful lot of people saying they hate the new name in here. I WONDER WHAT RIOT IS GOING TO DO?! ~Uiru

HuskerWolf822 votes

The splash art is amazing, dare I say one of THE best on LoL! Now if only Riot would respond in some way to the community that has been wanting Dauntless back for weeks now.

Maximum Morde2 votes

Lets change it to Challenged Ahri and give her a derp face instead.

Sukishoo1 votes

Since today is allegedly the day where Riot "resumes business"

No it was yesterday as we had a PBE update then.

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

Why not just change the Challenger tier into something else? It never made sense for the best players in the world to be called challengers. They should be called Legendary.

Tapu Fini1 votes

Singed

Wolfietpk1 votes

Lame skin in general really. Was a good chance for ameratsu, or naruto type skin. Hell we missed our swim suit Ahri as well this summer. Riot needs better management.

Elphrihaim2 votes

{quoted}

Lame skin in general really.

No.

Was a good chance for ameratsu,

YES.

or naruto type skin.

#No.

Hell we missed our swim suit Ahri as well this summer.

Ahri skins have to have a skirt of some kind or else the geometry of her tails is visible. :V They poke out of her hips. It's pretty disgusting to look at.

Riot needs better management.

Definitely not.

Wolfietpk1 votes

Right about the skirt thing. but leona has a skirt on her swimsuit skin so yea. and yes riot needs better management.

Plus50g1 votes

I forget where I heard it (Probably News Of Legends), but I'm sure it was changed due to a copyright, possible about that new movie Divergent (Bleh). (Info on that here: http://divergent.wikia.com/wiki/Dauntless) if not, RITO PLZ. Challenger sounds waaaay to related to the tier.

Realtor3 votes

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I forget where I heard it (Probably News Of Legends), but I'm sure it was changed due to a copyright, possible about that new movie Divergent (Bleh). (Info on that here: http://divergent.wikia.com/wiki/Dauntless) if not, RITO PLZ. Challenger sounds waaaay to related to the tier.

/sigh

why do all the YA kiddies think this word originated from that stupid movie. It's been around for ages, and they can't copyright a word in this context. Sorry, has NOTHING to do with that movie.

Plus50g1 votes

Well I hope so, cuz that movied suuuuuuuucked.

Just brought it up because Riot has changed names due to movies, such as Orianna. I just don't see any other reason, but there legal team went. "Hey, this new movie is popular with the punks this year, so you might wanna change its name." Give me another good reason why they would change it to make it sound like a challenger tier reward?

Krizalid1 votes

Challenger - Ryu. Dauntless - Bison. Street Fighter language.

Tamur1 votes

Challenger sounds more like it belongs as a charater's first skin not their 4th.

Dauntless sounds like a 4th skin Name

Lozier1 votes

Shuld change it to Pink Power Ranger Ahri.. like... like..... GO GO POWER RANGERSSSS!!!!!!

Black Sun 77741 votes

Totally agree with you on not hearing anything and while "horrible" is a strong word I can see the dislike in the new name. Dauntless is a unique name while challenger is just kind of...meh.....but i will say it is frustrating that we had not heard anything back

Vulpiksie1 votes

Guarantee the people who are bummed about the name... Will buy the damn skin anyways.

ZER0 21 votes

I agree with this. There's a poll over on my thread if you guys want to vote in it. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/JI9a7BLU-dauntless-ahri-now-champion

ZER0 21 votes

bump

Mephistophilis1 votes

Bump

ClockHead1 votes

When I see "Challenger Ahri", I always think of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=And-vdjC71E

ClockHead1 votes

{quoted}

When I see "Challenger Ahri", I always think of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=And-vdjC71E

(PS, Don't judge)

SushiKnight1 votes

I think they changed for copy right reason or not :s

TheLuminosity1 votes

I thought you had to be challenger to get the skin before...

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