[Rework Idea] Talon: Sentinel of Noxus

redfeenix··2 votes·1,852 views

Talon is a pretty cool champion thematically, so I thought I would pitch some ideas about how he should change with his update. Please note that Riot has already decided on his skills etc, so this will have no impact on the real Talon rework. This is honestly just for fun. Please provide any feedback you can, if you want.

I've always thought of Talon as an Assassin ie Altair or Ezio. In my mind, he strikes from the shadows or from the skies at any enemies of Noxus. He is sorta like the secret police. In this proposed rework I've tried to integrate elements of both his assassin side, and his awesome aerial acrobatic skills. He is an assassin through and through, and I hope you guys enjoy:

P Play with prey: Talon's basic attacks do 20% more damage to slowed targets

Q Hidden Blade: Talon's next basic attack strikes twice. The second strike is with his hidden blade, and is guaranteed to crit

Alternatively, his second strike ignores all armour/ deals true damage since he sinks his blade between the weak points of the enemy's armour. It would strike quickly, like twin blades: https://youtu.be/ehgoP9GIyQA?t=1m9s

W Bladed Cloak: Talon rapidly twirls his cloak damaging nearby enemies and slowing them for 2 seconds.

E Gouge: Talon Leaps a short distance and gouges at the eyes of target enemy, blinding them for 2 seconds (point and click)

R Angel of Death Passive:Talon gains global vision of any enemy champions below 10% HP. Active: Take Flight in Target Direction , becoming untargetable for 3 seconds and gaining 20% movement speed. After 3 seconds, select an area to DIVE down and slow nearby enemies. Gain 10% attack speed for every enemy champion hit, for 3 seconds.

The ultimate sorta looks like the Crusader's ult: https://youtu.be/rz0owFn1Vq0?t=1m56s

This is something I did for fun in my free time. Please note that all the numbers (duration, damage, %'s etc) are all made 'randomly' and can be balanced as required. I'm just focusing on making his Kit cool and cementing his playstyle as a mobile assassin who strikes at all enemies of Noxus from above. He is the Noxian Angel of Death and keeps the population loyal and scared.

Talon would be a strong niche pick if your team has a lot of slows. His ultimate can help his alllies land global skillshots , and secure kills at enemies that manage to escape the fight at low health. If the enemy clumps up, A good talon ultimate engage can potentially give him a HUGE attack speed sterioid and he could beast mode for a few seconds. Or it can be used as a last ditch escape attempt.

Please provide any feedback, hope you enjoy.

Thanks for reading!

79 Comments

trolldroid2 votes

hmmm instead of rake maybe blade cape, he actually using his cape of blades to attack someone making all players nearby cheer as he actually uses his flipping cape for something [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Fake Smite1 votes

I like the cloak action on W, i think it would be better than the actual Rake. Altho i like his e how it is now, tho can make it an intrerupt for chaneling spells. I think that Q might need some attackspeed between the two hits too, like Fioras E, that would be nice.

redfeenix1 votes

I think they're trying to remove the gap closers with the assassin update (talon, lb, kat teleports etc).

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

RIP adopted brother...

Tamur1 votes

I doubt Riot will make him like this since he's part of the Assassin Update not the Support Update. With that said I wouldn't mind seeing this as a new champion with ties to Talon.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

I ment the rework. He'll probly get a new lore which will basically make his crimson elite skin unlogical and he wont even know Katarina, even if he's her adopted brother atm XDDDD Riot 2016, change the lore completly of em all! :DD

Tamur1 votes

I'm not going to ruin my day arguing with you. It's not worth it.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

Never told anyone to argue with anyone to start with so :d

Tamur1 votes

No you didn't but you and me start talking about something it usually between ends in one.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

Maybe the problem is in you, not in me, because this Kitty cares only about the redheaded Kitty, so basically... I don't care enough for an argument to bother starting one duuuh...

Tamur1 votes

All I said that Talon is in the Assassin Update not in the Support Update meaning he's still going to be an Assassin. Also that this kit would be a good start for a new champion related either by blood or his days before joining Katarina's family

redfeenix1 votes

Nah I dont think he will get a Lore rework.

The Lore rework happens with the big champ updates, not the roster updates.

For example, Swain Vlad etc were roster updated, but their lore remained the same. I think it will be the same for the assassins.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

I still dont want that stupid Katarina rework. TY >_> Perfect champ gets her kit gutted, to be more unskilled player friendly. Yay... (a silent female voice resembaling Katarina's silently whispering: shoot me, please shoot me! just end it already!)

redfeenix1 votes

You read the champion update devblog right?

They're gonna make HUGE changes to entire skill kits of the assassins. I hope that these changes become more fun, instead of less so =(

Idk man we can only wait and hope they do us proud. I feel very bad about the Assassin mains that are waiting nervously and hoping that their favourite champion / main didnt get fked over.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

Did you read the devlob? Zed and Lee sin dont get changed, neither is diana or akali, the onces that REALLY NEED a rework to be balanced, are probl;y just getting buffs... Now quit spamming me the same, the rework is horrible and I dont want it. A lready said 1000 times legit reasons for it... And 7 years and over 6k Games with Katarina arent getting over that easily as you think... And the changes wont be fun, because they'll be broken at start, then over nerfed adn then just unpicable for ppl like me who play only their own champ and no other...

Tamur1 votes

If they are not on the list it either means they going to deal with Katarina ,Talon , Leblanc , and Rengar first or they have a larger scale reworks coming up. It seems everyone is going to get done whether or not we like it or not. I give the no ward jump two or three patches before it's reimplemented.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

I dont give it even 1, because they'll never return it... It's pathethic how they said it was "Because lee sins kit is based around ward jumps so we rework Kata" even if she could do it ALWAYS... I mean get real, She's the first assassin, her kit could do that for 7 years... ANd suddenly she is a copy cat of zed and lee? Get real... She aint getting anything back, just an unbalanced kit for the first few months and then i'll have to learn a new champ after 1000 nerfs, so I can finally bea ble to pick... "Wurf"... Meanwhile let the broken Diana get random buffs... because it's normal... Or lee... --"

Tamur1 votes

Actually they removed ward jumping from Lee Sin for a patch then they brought it back due to the effect it had on his gameplay.

Second we won't know how the changes will effect her gameplay till it is brought forth to be tested on PBE.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

Im sure putting 2 completly new spells and having reset only on a E which has no ward jump ability isnt a big change...

Tamur1 votes

She could be getting 5 completly new abilities and her identity changed. So yea it's a small change compaired to that. A change that may or may not benifit her. But only time will tell.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

Who said she aint getting an indetiy change aswell? This is riot games we're talking about. Yorick and Ryze had awesome voice actors and now they sound like a soulless robot is voicing them... Who said they wont change katarina's voice actress and whole lore aswell? We just see the details around the skills, but not the rest of her atm... And you still fail to see the problem for someone like me who plays only her...

I Wont be able to play her FOR MONTHS... And then I'll be forced to learn her from 0 after 7 years mastering one game style... Is it too hard to actually see it by my point of view and try to understand how painfull and irritading this is for me? I literally play only Katarina. All my smurfs from level 1 to level 30 are only katarina, every smurf has over 100k mastery only her... And I got a lot of smurfs... Now i need to spent months if not years to remaster her to the level I am atm... Just so she can most likely get REWORKED, again... and I will be able to finally pick and practice her again after 2-3 months of the rework, because all the NEVER Playing/played katarina folks will magically become "mains" And wont let me pick her and she'll go in the top ban rate again...

And yet you dont understand my pain and will go saying that "maybe you'll like the rework, so fat guy from LCS as trying her and said rework is fun! Waw!"... like I care for that guy...

Tamur1 votes

I can guarantee there at least one person per champion who only plays one champion.

So stop acting like you're the only person who has spent their entire time they been playing Leagues who hasn't had to re-learn a champion after they've been reworked.

This why I don't get too attached to one champion or Role

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

Here's what I said, you never put yourself in my place, you just judge... Well bravos to you...

Tamur1 votes

No I don't judge it's not my place to. Because it is written judge not unless yourself be judged. How do you I haven't been in your place before now?

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

"How do you I havent been in your place before now"...

I'll pretend I understood it and if you have been in my place before you wouldnt be speaking the way you are...

Tamur1 votes

I would because I wouldn't want to see someone else go through it. But since all we do is argue about you rather than the post think I'll just walk away

redfeenix1 votes

I'm so confused by your arguement legit i have no idea lol

Tamur1 votes

We all confused

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

@Redfeenix

What's the problem of my arguments? They are legit. She gets OP, she's perma banned/picked, I cant play her. She's gutted, I got a learn a weak champion all over again...

Basically both cases i Lose 7 years of mastering andn ow forced to relearn in waaaaaaay harsher environment...

Legit as fk arguments...

redfeenix1 votes

No I'm not arguing about that.

Every major rework completely chsnges a champion.

St this point after every rework they should reset masteries back to 0 because those mastery points were for s completely different champion... Like if you have lvl 7 mastery in Kat that doesn't mean you'll be a pro on the updated Kat.

Just an example

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

Good morning...

redfeenix1 votes

Did you see the leaked changes about kat? You'd be interested in that probably.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

Leaked? Which were officially posted on the boards? Removin ward jump, lowering R damage, removing damage reduction of E? New Q? New W? So leaked... And no I aint interested in that horribility... Especially knowing I wont be able to pick her at all for months... And then I'll have to learn an absolutly new kit after it got nerfed to hell...

Arakadia1 votes

You can't say she was gutted. If she has good numbers she might be OP.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

I already mentioed a billion times that if she goes OP it will be worse for me than if she's weak or currently balanced... Why is everyone ignoring wot I say and keep saying "maybe sh'ell be op"... what do I won from it???? Months and months impossible to pick her???? That's wot I win..........

Arakadia1 votes

What if she turns out fine. Like Cass, Poppy, Taric, Caitlyn, or Anivia.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

Anivia never got reworked. The rest are literally the same with visuals and minior skill buffs... And you still miss the bloody point... IDC if she's fine... I still lose 7 years and still have to learn her from A to Z and I still wont be abel to even pick her because of the perma pick/ban... Why is everyone ignorant towards that part... "What if she's fine"... COOL then! But that doesnt make me automatically a pro on her new kit... Doesnt mean I'll be able to do 99% of my trickts with the ward jumps which get removed... And they'll probly remove the shunpo orn J4 spear and Rek sai holes aswell...

Arakadia1 votes

So it seems your mainly upset about the removal of ward jumps.

Personally, I would still enjoy my main if I loved them enough to make my name about them. Even if their main skill requirement was removed. Kat will likely still be fast paced and require fast, skillful movements to survive. But she will be less saf.

I can imagine you will be pretty damn great at new kat unless they REALLY change her. If you spent 7 years of kat you most likley won't have to relearn her from A to Z.

Anivia got a update in the MYMU. Poppy got a whole VGU, so much more change the Kat will get but is fine. Cass, Caitlyn, and Anivia all got changes. Cait and Cass got bigger changes, I can't imagine Kat will get much more changes then Cait and Cass did.

If I love X champion enough to make my name based off them, I will probably still like them after a class update. That means, to me atleast, that I love the lore, look, playstyle, abilities, VO, and/or personality.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

I love Katarina for katarina not her shitty kit... But this is just toxic, Q will most likely be a skillshot whichi s BS, her W is new spell at all... Her E gets 99% of the stuff removed and has only wot? Minion jump and 40 dmg on 0.2 AP Ration? (if not less after) like srlsy? and you can see on my tale main page that i got her even in skyrim, but that doesnt change the fact this is undeserve towards her...

How will I do Kat jungle/Support now? Totally getting denied, I hate playing mida nd now im forced to play her just mid........

P.S we both know i wont relearn quick cuz the first months of perma ban/pick...

redfeenix1 votes

Hey bud,

Wanna elaborate on why you think this version of Talon would be a support instead of an assassin?

This guy has 2 gap closers, untargetablity, aoe and an attack speed steriod. This combined with the slows in his kit and his passive, would result in a TON of dmg, especially with his q.

Let me know what aspects of his current kit would make him suitable for support, rather than an assassin.

Cheers =)

Tamur1 votes

I may have read this wrong. The past couple of days have been hectic trying to do everything possible to get a job. Going to sleep at 2:00 am and getting up at 6:00 am for 2 straight days will mess up anyone.

redfeenix1 votes

Get some sleep friend! Please =D

redfeenix1 votes

And then once you're fresh and rested, I want you to provide your feedback. Take care of your health first, always

Tamur1 votes

That'll be tomorrow when I won't have to anything till 6:30 pm

Tamur1 votes

I would rather him stay assassin than be turned into a support.

redfeenix1 votes

I agree as well! Do you think this kit is more suited for supporting rather than assassination?

Eternal 7 1 votes

I dont play talon but i like the idea o3o

Now the "W"

"W Bladed Cloak: Talon rapidly twirls his cloak damaging nearby enemies and slowing them for 2 seconds"

Considering he has blades on his cloak , do they shoot out ? ...will the animation be like something like item 3030 active ? ... the slanted way the bolts fly out , considering how talons cape is at a slanted angle

Or is it just pretty much a spin skill with his cape garen , kat , and so on

redfeenix1 votes

I was imagining it a lot like how Batman fights With his cape, using it to daze and disorient foes.

What do you think bud? I like the idea of giving him a ranged skill where he can farm from afar if he loses lane hard ..

redfeenix1 votes

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