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[opinion] Riot will use new ranked emblems to 'prove' that most players play dynamic, and few solos

redfeenix··192 votes·7,181 views

So apparantly some koreans are complaining that they played 22/25 games solo and got the dynamic badge:

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/4s4idd/inven_playing_22_solo_out_of_25_still_gets/

I think we all know how riot's 'stats' work. They will somehow use these 'statistics' to prove to us that solo players are a minority and that most people play dynamic. Therefore they will try to say that DQ was a success and majority of the playerbase is enjoying it.

How the hell do you get a DQ badge if you play 22/25 games SOLO ?? No wonder Riot's been shady with the actual numbers.

They will use these rank emblems and other stats to prove to us that we do not need solo q.

What are your thoughts? Riot's been radio silent about this issue for months. I dont think they're gonna bring back solo q ever.

Here are some other threads I made:

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/r5wyEn2I-add-separate-solo-q-ranked-ladder http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/jUGUHOze-please-dont-release-ranked-borders-for-this-season

Do you guys think that Riot will come out with more 'statistics' to 'prove' that solo players are the minority? Or do you think they'll just ignore us forever and hope we forget?

Thanks for reading.

241 Comments

KnKitsune53 votes

That sounds like BS waiting to come from Riot.

redfeenix35 votes

Damn you know its bad when this sort of bs is expected. When did Riot become like this man?

Yuri By Mail12 votes

Probably when you whiny kids elected to sit YOURSELVES in a corner rather than speak with your wallets.

Dynamic Queue is profitable because whining on this forum isn't cutting into their pockets.

So put your wallet where your mouth is already, or kindly shut up. That's how the gaming industry works and you know it.

QjTHqo3RTq23 votes

A company should be concerned about the customer satisfaction of the product, not just the amount of money they make

serpensortia129 votes

If the customer isn't satisfied, they won't spend money. If the company is still making money, the customers must be fine with whatever they're doing.

QjTHqo3RTq8 votes

If you spend money on cosmetics, that does NOT mean you endorse Dynamic Que. It means you endorse whatever you spend your rp on, which is cosmetics. This because League is a FREE game, it's not the same as buying a subscription to WoW or Runescape after they pander to casuals, that means they enjoy the game as a whole, because they're PAYING for the game as a whole.

If I were you, I would face the music, solo que is gone, forever. Dynamic que is an inferior system that judges rank more poorly, but it is here to stay. Why? Because it represents a business decision from Riot to attract a larger crowd to their game, they want MORE money and MORE people playing the game. Runescape, another f2p game, did the exact same thing, pandering to a casual demographic for more $$$. Look at Runescape now, not dead, but far beyond glory days. League is doing the same, we probably havent noticed it as players, but League has slown down, it's certainly not closing to falling over and dieing like other games that have done this yet, but I bet you it will, Riot will do something more incredibly stupid than this, and that will mark the end of League being a mainstream form of culture, and will dilute to into a cliche. Embrace the reality that history is repeating itself, time and time again.

semsius2 votes

ye but when you whip out your wallet to buy a new skin and then feed with the champ you bought the skin for who you rarely even play, you're saying "meh, i dont like dynamic but keep fucking me over cos my wallets loose and I've still got cash to spend"

9 inches of love7 votes

they were always like this, people just didnt care cause it didnt affect them, and the few people that got screwed by riot also got trash talked by the rest of the community cause they liked to defend riot. Even when they started the game they did shady stuff by closing down the most used dota forum and posting an ad for league of legends in it place. Or when they said "we will talk about the compensation after we fix the EUW servers", they said that just to make people shut up and right after they fixed the servers which were broken for years they said there's no compensation, exactly the same way they did with solo Q, saying its coming back just to keep people silent. Or how they are using the hextech system to keep people from leaving the game, its an obvious method similar to the one used in gambling they have no shame but no one says anything because free skins, free skins keep people from leaving a bad game, its a psychological thing and riot knows it very well...

Voladiotis37 votes

Yep, its RIOT at it again manipulating the statistics in their favor.

This kind of arrogance from RIOT will cost them dearly.

redfeenix6 votes

Sigh but there is nothing we can do to stop them from this is there.

Drugoth4 votes

We could just all play strictly solo queue and win more badges than the dynamic scrublords.
. . . Kappa

Dominick Destine36 votes

Dynamic queue is garbage.

No amount of emblems will change that.

redfeenix9 votes

But they'll use the emblems to say DQ is great and most players love it !

Dextix LT3 votes

And then we will use examples like this to call them on their bullshit.

redfeenix7 votes

And then they'll ignore us and assume they made the right call.

Dextix LT10 votes

They can assume anything, Runescape and WOW tried to do that. It didnt work.

JavelinJoe12 votes

They have to understand that people want to win. And currently the game makes premades more likely to win (albeit unfairly since there is little to no compensation for going solo). Because of this their findings would be very bias. It is like giving people two option while only pushing for people to chose a specific one of them. Last time I checked, the scientific method did not have a step where the scientists decided one outcome would be better and tried to force it durring data gathering.

Voladiotis6 votes

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They have to understand that people want to win. And currently the game makes premades more likely to win (albeit unfairly since there is little to no compensation for going solo). Because of this their findings would be very bias. It is like giving people two option while only pushing for people to chose a specific one of them. Last time I checked, the scientific method did not have a step where the scientists decided one outcome would be better and tried to force it durring data gathering.

This is exactly what they are doing yet very few people are calling them out, so its either these users are too stupid or people just don't care about LoL anymore - you figure there'd be more outrage than this

Arakadia3 votes

lmao so tru.

TRUMP IS DAD11 votes

Good thing I also got dq badge when I played a lot more solo.

redfeenix6 votes

Yeah its almost like they were vague on purpose. They can give anyone a DQ badge even if you played mostly solo.

LiungLindwurm10 votes

can somebody tell me why solo players still play ranked this season?

Bladerunner777711 votes

Because League of Legends is a fun game and no amount of premades are going to stop me from whooping ass

redfeenix4 votes

This guys a true solo q warrior

Aeszarck10 votes

Then show Riot otherwise, if that's really what you want. Play all your ranked games solo if you want the solo badge. Show Riot that the majority of the community is ready for a strict solo queue.

Because if you don't, then you are a supporter of dynamic queue, whether you like it or not. Dynamic queue was meant to be flexible towards all premade sizes and all kinds of queue preferrers, including the ones that play solo most of the time and go premade in a handful of games. If you're like this, then play completely solo in your ranked games and bring your premades to normals/ranked teams if you actually want solo queue and your solo badge.

I realize that, as a purely solo player, you might see the disadvantages of doing this. Angry/untalkative premades on your team that make ranked less fun, coordinated premades on the opposing team (even though they're normally balanced out by a premade on your own team) that seem to crush you, and more. You'll just have to deal with that then. Because if you don't, then you'll be forcing other solo players to deal with the exact same crap that you feel other premades put you through as a solo player. And if you want to quit ranked because it's too unenjoyable and you don't want to go through all that, then fine. That's one less person supporting solo queue.

Whatever side you're on, dynamic or solo, play that way. Show Riot that your way has more support.

SpookyNeedle9 votes

I really don't like when people make threads like this, you're just telling Riot they're gonna do something before they do (if they do) I'm not exactly sure what to call these types of threads.

Now, I'm impartial to dynamic Q and Solo Q, I couldnt care less about either. But at least respect the company, please.

redfeenix39 votes

They have done nothing to deserve respect lmao. They've lied and made up bullshit stats and now they're ignoring us.

Respect flows both ways. If Riot wants respect from the players, they should show respect to us.

DeathBot6661 votes

Or maybe this is an isolated incident and you believe this is going to happen all the time because it goes with your beliefs of solo queue. 1 example of a problem doesn't mean the entire system is rigged.

PhDs Nuts10 votes

{quoted}

Or maybe this is an isolated incident and you believe this is going to happen all the time because it goes with your beliefs of solo queue. 1 example of a problem doesn't mean the entire system is rigged.

That's not a random example. 22/25 solo games and getting a dynamic badge is something that Riot has specifically coded.

DeathBot6662 votes

I think were talking about different things. What I mean is that this is most likely a glitch in the coding, rather than a conspiracy by riot to rig the emblems.

seraph1m3 votes

{quoted}

I think were talking about different things. What I mean is that this is most likely a glitch in the coding, rather than a conspiracy by riot to rig the emblems.

they lie they manipulate i wouldnt put it past them to rig the badges to push their agenda

Pikmints2 votes

While it could very well be a glitch, it doesn't take a technical genius to develop a comparing segment.

If (soloGames > groupGames && soloGames > teamGames){ player.setSoloRankedBadge(); }

Then add two more of those swapping the words solo, group, and team around and that's a simple check that the game would only need to do every time a ranked game you were in ended. I don't want to believe that something as simple as a comparison would be messed up by the same people that make items go from crashing the PBE to flawless on live, so the first reason that makes some sense to me would be that this is intentional. If this system indicated that lots of people utilized dynamic queue, then that would surely push Riot's pro-dynamic queue agenda.

Ryzing2Diamond11 votes

{quoted}

They have done nothing to deserve respect lmao. They've lied and made up bullshit stats and now they're ignoring us.

Respect flows both ways. If Riot wants respect from the players, they should show respect to us.

You guys have been showing your ass ever since Dynamic Queue was released. You have it wrong completely, if you want respect you need to show respect. Riot hasn't disrespected you at all, you've disrespected Riot every inch of the way.

The reason Riot refuses to comment on ANY, and I do mean ANY Dynamic Queue threads is because in every fucking thread you're all raving and hating on them (And Dynamic Queue) over every single perceived problem with the system. It's quite simply better for them to ignore you from a Public Relations perspective, than risk talking and having you explode on them or argue endlessly. One Rioter actually tried to explain this to you all and you fucking buried him, he hasn't commented since, and he was one of the more liked Rioters too that was rather popular.

In Riots words, if they said they'd bring something back, but later believed it would destroy the game if they did, they shouldn't be expected to bring it back. Furthermore, they didn't lie. You're lieing as much as they did right now. Want to know how? Because you're saying something without knowing if it's actually true, the same thing Riot did. When they said they were going to bring Solo-Q back, they meant it. That's not a lie. They only decided not to later after multiple staff meetings and brainstorms.

I can't believe what i'm reading. I swear to god you people don't know how a Company works. Not even the faintest idea.

The reason Riot canceled the return of SoloQ is because they have the stats (Not you, and with how you're acting you wouldn't change your mind even if you did) if the stats were bad, Riot would've already returned to Solo-Q or made crazy adjustments to dynamic Queue. They're very obviously good from a business perspective.

And the saddest part about it, RedFeenix. You have 32 games in ranked this Season. You don't even KNOW what you're talking about. You're just complaining. As someone with well over 400 games in Ranked this Season, and the Solo-Badge, I can say with certainty that Dynamic Queue isn't even CLOSE to as bad as you guys think it is, infact most of the problems in Dynamic Queue were in Solo Queue as well. It's the same thing as all those people who want to go back to ELO instead of the Tier system, which is archaic and only meant for 1v1 games, it doesn't even work properly with a team game.

PS: Mods, i'm sorry if I went a bit harsh on this, you can remove the post if I went overboard.

Dextix LT12 votes

Riot has LIED. CONSTANTLY. They did not have the stats in the first months when they intentionally delayed soloq. They delayed solo so dynamic would have monopoly over ranked market and then they delayed the soloq more and more until they axed it completely instead of allowing natural selection to have its way.

And no, Riot wouldnt have changedd shit even if it was bad. Look at Runescape and WOW. Despite how many people left they didnt change anything. You overestimate the inteligence of upper managements.

Also, decide are soloq wanters are the majority or the minority already! How would bringing back soloq destroy dynamic if we are the minority? Unles peopl would prefer soloq, but that is our point! And no, they lied intentionally.

They lied all those times they said they will bring soloq, and considering the current situation and shadyness on their part, it can be concluded that most likely they lied so dynamicq would have no competition in the ranked market.

They are refusing to comment on well established arguments , which are not perceived problems but real arguments Mirrored by EVEN PRO PLAYERS. One Rioter "Tried" to explain. Link to me, because i know that the usual "explaining" is just some bullshit that is supportedd by nothing. If you mean in the post where they say soloq is axed then people downvoted because they disagreed and gave pretty good arguments against.

And it ddoesnt matter how many times you played in the current system, i stopped playing it because its factually unfair. YOu can look at the system from practical perspective and see logically that it is unfair. The problems that dynamicq has are not that soloq had. Only some of them, and dynamic makes them worse!

They lied and mislead people constantly, if we are the minority and soloq is useless why didnt they implement it to show us wrong? Why did they have to lie and delay soloq for so long? When they could have let the players choose, and according to you they would have chosen dynamic, so whats the problem?

SpookyNeedle5 votes

The reason they haven't brought solo queue back, is because they believe they can make dynamic queue better than solo queue ever was. Instead of complaining, surely constructive criticism towards dynamic queue would speed up the process of either returning solo queue or making dynamic queue better.

The Whamboozler7 votes

You don't know the reason Riot has stubbornly stuck to DQ any more than he does, so stop presenting shit like this as if it's fact. All you know is what they've SAID.

For all we know, they're sticking to DQ because ONE high ranking rioter lost a bet. Or because they want to court the casual market. Or because they think making boosting easier will make more people play the game. Or just because they were REALLY drunk or something.

Dextix LT3 votes

Its a business, its clear what they are doing, we saw this happen with many other games already. This is casualization. Dumbing down the game for the sake of the masses to attract more of them.

The Whamboozler3 votes

I would be inclined to agree, even though I have to admit this is still an educated guess at best.

SpookyNeedle3 votes

A lot of people talk about how Riot isn't saying anything to us, what's the point if you don't believe what they say?

The Whamboozler1 votes

Well I suppose the point would be that they're TRYING.

But I haven't mentioned anything about Riot keeping quiet, so I'm not sure why you're addressing this at me.

SpookyNeedle1 votes

The reason I said "a lot of people" was because I was unsure as to whether you said anything about keeping riot quiet. There's a good amount of people saying it.

The Whamboozler4 votes

Nnnnope. I gave up on Riot attempting to be open with it's fans a long while ago. Around the first Cass rework, I think. They do what they want and don't even attempt to inform the fans anymore.

Now I get that they get a ton of flaming and trolling and hate when they announce things. The terrible community is a whole different issue I have with the game and that's not really Riot's fault. But when they make major changes, it doesn't seem too much to ask for them to mention the ideas they have before they're so committed to them that they won't go back and listen to the things people say. It also wouldn't hurt them to at least say "this is why we are doing what we are doing".

But I don't expect them to anymore. At this point it's too far gone. Any Rioter that so much as sticks his neck out gets his head ripped off by angry, spoiled children who refuse to talk about a problem when they could shout and throw insults. One feeds the other. The more people rage the less Riot wants to be open, the less Riot is open the more people rage at them for it and accuse them of not caring.

What it comes down to is... they're a company and this is their JOB. They should freaking TRY. Even if they get nothing but hate... they should TRY. And they should be freaking honest when they do, not give insincere platitudes and then do whatever they want. If they believe that the community is a raging toxic mess and getting fan feedback isn't worth it because people scream about everything, I understand that. But I would like them to SAY that. Not promise things or dance around issues like a teenager who's mother asked him to do a chore while she's at work and who has NO intention of doing it.

Linna Excel11 votes

I feel like I have to upvote this because IMO riot isn't actively trying to defend the new champ select or DQ as much as they should if they knew it was the right thing. Minimal communication from their part is making it look bad and it's kind of hard to respect their decision to implement these designs if they can't even be bothered to really stand up for them. I feel like them going forward with DQ is because riot's ego an arrogance is getting in the way again in the form of them not undoing a past screw up.

That's the thing, riot never really undoes mistakes they make, even when it is painfully obvious to everyone riot screwed something up or overbuffed/overnerfed a champ.

This season in particular, I just get the vibe that riot is doing the hardest it can to make people hate the game. LCS viewership is down. Major streamers are down on the game this season. Dominion is dead save for random returns. DQ has issuse. The new champ select has issues, particularly at higher elos. Queue times has issues. You feel like you are more likely to face high elo smurfs because of this. The fact that riot doesn't give a crap about individual effort anymore is a stab in the back to some people. The tank meta lasted a little too long as did some tanky assassins. Etc.

RoodToob3 votes

just to say this

I feel like I have to upvote this because IMO riot isn't actively trying to defend the new champ select or DQ as much as they should if they knew it was the right thing

Look at these threads for a minute, when Riot comes out and talks about DQ, they get more hate than anything else, and those posts go down to extreme downvotes.

Not only that, the amount of Toxic shit spewed from some players ( NOT ALL, some argue well and act with respect) just make Rioters not want to talk about it.

IM NOT TRYING TO DEFEND OR ATTACK RIOT OR DQ OR SQ, JUST TO POINT STUFF OUT

I Never ADC1 votes

They haven't done anything to deserve respect?

They're keeping the game you're playing updated and fresh for your enjoyment.

Stop whining about dq, it's staying you have to accept that instead of whining multiple times on the boards. If you're going to constantly give riot shit on how they're updating their game, then find a new game to play, yeah?

Thx.

IS1a442cd69a169ed293a398 votes

[{quoted}](name=I Never ADC,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BHL8Ef4j,comment-id=000400000005,timestamp=2016-07-11T12:56:38.720+0000)

find a new game to play, yeah?

The only constructive point I find in your post.

Slack King8 votes

I played like 20/25 solo and got dynamic badge for a bit, then it went away

FioraWillCarry7 votes

How many of these threads are you guys gonna make before you stop ?

Dextix LT9 votes

How many threads are needed to bring back soloq?

LatetotheRace10 votes

As long as riot keeps making stupid decisions, we'll be here to call em out.

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