Please don't release ranked borders for this season

redfeenix··180 votes·11,238 views

Edit: whoa almost 500 votes! Thanks for your opinions guys, I enjoyed reading. People have strong views!!

This season has been an absolute mockery and perversion of the ranked system. Some would say this is the worst season of League ever. Ranks don't mean jack shit at the moment, as people are just getting boosted for free, while solos have to work twice as hard for half the LP.

Awarding these boosted players high elo borders is a huge slap in the face for all the legit players this season. Silver players last season are diamond this season. Is it fair to reward them with a diamond border???
It will just go to their head and they will think wow I'm diamond ranked I must be great ! No dude you suck but your friends are decent.

EDIT: A lot of good COUNTER POINTS MADE:

  1. You can only queue with people in your tier (ie no diamond with bronze)

  2. Many hard working solo Q players this season. Respect for climbing and improving yourself. Maybe only solo q players should get borders?

  3. Show the 'Mark of Shame' on the badges. Ie gold border with group badge, vs solo q gold?

I'll add any other good suggestions.

I vote we nullify this season because of how much Riot fuxked up the meaning and value of ranks. There's no point awarding borders to players that are getting boosted. They don't deserve it.

What do you guys think of ranked this season? I feel like earning high elo borders used to be a rare achievement in previous seasons and the borders were a source of pride. However this season it's almost insulting to legit players if you give these boosted animals high ranked borders.

(On Another Note, should borders even be season rewards? I think your border should match your CURRENT RANK. Not your best rank. They should update _dynamically _ to accurately reflect your CURRENT skill level, not your how high your mmr got 6 months ago)

What do you guys think? Are you proud of your rank this season ?

234 Comments

Kewlipo73 votes

I carried myself up to Diamond.

I'd be pretty pissed if I lost my border.

Diananmen Square16 votes

Exactly, the people who carried themselves shouldn't be losing a rewards because 1% of the players were boosted by 5 man premading.

Eedat54 votes

Borders only for those with the Solo Queue badge!

TKo Dust14 votes

why not different borders for each badge? one for solo one for boosted monkeys and another one for boosted monkeys.

Masala Chai4 votes

That's against what they said last year with the gemstones on the borders that indicate division. This creates toxicity.

shyv3 votes

and yet we still have the gemstones on the border for divisions and not once has anyone ever brought up that i was gold 5 last season

Masala Chai2 votes

We don't have the gemstones on the border, check again.

InsanitysTheName4 votes

Yes you do actually. The size of the gemstones in the left and right bottom corners indicates what division you achieved. Bigger gemstone is likely higher of your tier. It is barely noticeable, but in champ select if you look at two golds side by side you will see the difference.

Masala Chai4 votes

Wow, never noticed that detail, looks like Riot really doesn't care.

Hellen Keller3 votes

What kind of logic is that? They put in detail, guess they don't care! I don't draw much, but an artist will put in much more detail into their artwork than you may see, that doesn't mean they don't care.

Weiner the Pooh7 votes

Explain to me. What if people duo? That ability has been there since the. Beginning. SO what if people do that? Do they not get their border even tho that's what they've done with their friend since season 3? Or do they not get their border because suddenly even duoing is "boosting". And if it is, how is that different now if it's always been an option?

Maszii3 votes

Well problem is i stopped carrying myself after i reached Gold5. And i dont want to play vs boosted animals/premades anymore..

Darksyde22 votes

Funny that posts like this never actually come from diamond players. Why is it that a silver is complaining about how ranked means nothing this season and how "silvers are diamond this season." As if boosting never existed in any season ever. News flash, people get boosted literally every season but it doesn't destroy the integrity of the season for the people who did it legit. I mostly solo queued my way to diamond this season and yes I'm damn proud of it (even though I've done it twice before and at this point it's not too hard). Don't try to take away the accomplishments of others just because you're salty you're stuck in silver.

redfeenix6 votes

Hey dude,

As if boosting never existed in any season ever. News flash, people get boosted literally every season but it doesn't destroy the integrity of the season for the people who did it legit.

There will always be cheaters scripters boosters etc. However no one complained for 6 years. Why are we complaining now? It's bwcuase before this season, boosting was never ENCOURAGED and REWARDED by RIOT. This season riot wants you to group with your friends for ranked.

HOWEVER full teams will always beat solo players. Why are they in the same queue? I play the best when I'm 5v5 with my friends and comms. But when I play solo I would get crushed vs the same teams.

Communication improves my gameplay a ton! So everyone is mad this season that solo and full five players have to face each other in the same system. It's not fair since solos will all be disadvantaged. Yes they can win, but it's the disadvantage were protesting.

Solution: have 2 ranked queues. One for full 5, one for solo/duo/(maybe trio?) only.

Eevee In A Jar6 votes

People have actually complained in the past. They were demanding Riot do something about ELO boosters. And it was an actual bannable offense but I guess Riot thought they were too big shot to deal with small time boosters. So they just made a rank system that benefits all boosters, changed their stance to "ELO boosting is A-OK bitches," and made it done.

And FYI, dynamic queue does make the game unfair albeit you can still solo q your way up to ranks you deserve but if you are pushing for a new rank progress, dynamic queue just makes you want to rip all your hair out and force feed it to a cute little kitten.

But realistically, the diamond guy is wrong. Boosting and scripting has never been THIS bad. League is losing A LOT of players. There's an upward trend of like 16% I think(?will look for sources I believe it was like 14-16). In Korea alone that's like 28% of PC Cafe gamers. Few of those simply left because of Overwatch but most of them left because the game no longer felt competitive and the game kept rewarding shit mechanic, retard players with no actual knowledge. Instead, you get rewarded for playing broken high burst champs that build tanky or other bullshit like safe assassins that isn't hard to play but makes cool plays rather than actual display of skill. It's not a matter of whether you can win or lose or rank up or rank down. It's a matter of this is ranked. It's about competition. You're supposed to reward mechanics (skill/talent/athleticism if compared to sports), knowledge on the game (which attributes to skill and having knowledge makes you superior over players who are purely mechanical), and the like... yet the past two seasons haven't really felt that way.

Rank dilution with worse mechanic players and lacking game knowledge players have been happening for years now. Dynamic Queue didn't START it, it simply made it way easier to abuse rank system so any scrub can come out with a satisfied rank. The beginning of rank dilution began with implementation of the cosmetic Rank Tier and Division system. Plenty of people were saying back then that more and more crappy players will rank up. And riot is intentionally doing this so they don't lose massive amount of players in lower rank brackets. But that's teh thing. Again this is ranked. You're supposed to reward players for doing good, not doing bad. Yet Riot continues to make FotM champs and reworks like new Malz and Annie ult. Let's continue to make shit easy champs that literally take no skill to play even easier. Honestly having safe Zed fotm is better than Malz's bullshit even if Zed is easier to play.

**Conclusion/TL;DR - don't release rank rewards at all. Utter bullshit. The only people who are crazed about rank rewards are the people who don't qualify for them. Most of us who consistently have been getting rewards don't even care about them. All they have done is encourage elo boosters and scripters to continue abusing the system to get meaningless rewards which don't even matter anymore. Who cares if you got plat border when plat's been diluted down. Sure in about 20-30% of my games when I was in plat 1-5 I get good teammates but the other 70-80% I'm fucked because we got players with terrible mechanics like they're in silver. You got kids going 0/5 in the first few minutes of the game, bitching about no jungle gank and how enemy got 20 ganks when they got none either. You got premades randomly bitching and reoprting non-premade members for simply not being part of the premade... hazing that Riot predicted would happen years before implementing Dynamic Queue.... wow... Most of the "flaws" of dynamic queue are already proven. Doesn't matter if a diamond player comes here to talk shit to silver players about how you don't know anything. At this point if you defend dyn q you're just oblivious. It's like saying "Well I never been hurt or people I love never gotten hurt from terrorist attacks so I don't think ISIS is bad." **

The biggest bullshit is Riot admitting that dynamic queue fucking sucks but basically going "OH we're retarded but we're going to keep Dynamic Queue so we don't look like bigger idiots. But we will remove it where competitive rank matches actually matter because it IS unfair... but it isn't so we are keeping it to help you people at the bottom tier rank up for free." The logic is so stupid. You can hear the hamster spinning the wheel. It's like trying to argue with your gf about how that guy friend who wants to help her get a job, do her laundry and all this shit just wants to get in her pants while she yells "HE IS JUST A FRIEND!"

Wimbledofy5 votes

i think your tl;dr needs its own tl;dr.

DeathBurst11 votes

Silver players boosted to Diamond is a fuckin' legend. I'm sure you can find one or two examples, but claiming that it is a noticeable fraction of the player base is an utter lie.

Even right now, Diamond is still only ~1% of the Ranked player base, which is itself only a fraction of the total player base. Even Plat is only ~10%, and I'm generous. Gold is something like ~30%, from memory (too lazy to check on League Of Graphs). So what if 5% of Silver are boosted to Gold? And I'm convinced it's less than that, but let's take big numbers to please you. What does this 5% boosted from Silver to Gold, or this 1% from Gold to Plat really change to the meaningfulness and the worthiness of the ladder? Pretty much nothing.

And as for myself, I honestly got to Gold without cheating or abusing the system, and I want my border.

redfeenix3 votes

Regarding the boosted, I can find three examples

DeathBurst6 votes

Yeah, even three examples, that doesn't change a bloody thing to what I said. (Also, they were really boosted via Dynamic Q, not just plain old account sharing?)

But more importantly, I reiterate: What does this 5% boosted from Silver to Gold, or this 1% from Gold to Plat really change to the meaningfulness and the worthiness of the ladder? Pretty much nothing.

redfeenix5 votes

No not really but fuck the 1% . We 99% deserve better. And If it was an issue of a single tier no one would care. We're talking about guys getting boosted multiple tiers . But yeah guess I'm just salty that diamond can be achieved with no effort by bad players, while I know I'll never get there solo.

Then these players think they're better since the have a better borders. Logical arguments you made, but guess I'm just salty.

DeathBurst8 votes

Thing is, there always were boosted players, via account sharing, even in previous seasons. Are there really so much more of them this season, and are they really due to Dynamic Queue? If yes and yes, I would agree that DynQ is actually a bad thing for the game. But I honestly don't think that's the case, and I'm getting real tired about all these rants against a system that is all in all a rather good system, despite a few drawbacks. Nothing personal.

redfeenix3 votes

I value you opinion, I don't take things personally

My Reply from another comment:

Hey dude,

As if boosting never existed in any season ever. News flash, people get boosted literally every season but it doesn't destroy the integrity of the season for the people who did it legit.

There will always be cheaters scripters boosters etc. However no one complained for 6 years. Why are we complaining now? It's bwcuase before this season, boosting was never ENCOURAGED and REWARDED by RIOT. This season riot wants you to group with your friends for ranked.

HOWEVER full teams will always beat solo players. Why are they in the same queue? I play the best when I'm 5v5 with my friends and comms. But when I play solo I would get crushed vs the same teams.

Communication improves my gameplay a ton! So everyone is mad this season that solo and full five players have to face each other in the same system. It's not fair since solos will all be disadvantaged. Yes they can win, but it's the disadvantage were protesting.

Solution: have 2 ranked queues. One for full 5, one for solo/duo (maybe trio ? ). Heroes of the Storm does this too

DeathBurst5 votes

Boosting is neither encouraged nor rewarded. It's just as forbidden as ever. Playing in premades is rewarded and encouraged, but you have to be within a Tiers of each other, and it's not for boosting purpose. If I play with other people in High-Silver/Low-Gold, we are not boosting each others...

Solution: have 2 ranked queues. One for full 5, one for solo only.

Then what about all the Duos and Trios? Everyone seem to agree that 4-man + 1 solo is a bad experience, but Duos and Trios are mostly fine. And the point of Dynamic Q was to allow Duos and Trios in Ranked in the first place, in order to have a better experience and less toxicity (and not just because premades don't report each others, contrary to Solo Q propaganda).

redfeenix2 votes

Well said actually. As a solo I wouldn't mind vs duo or trio (probably) but it's the full 5 that pisses me off

InsanitysTheName5 votes

Statistically 5 solos get matched against a full premade five one in every 5000 games right now. I mean for the one to two times this will happen each season to the average competitive ranked player is that that big of a deal? You basically experience the same feeling you get when someone afks, and that statistic is closer to one in 300 ranked games.

seraph1m1 votes

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Statistically 5 solos get matched against a full premade five one in every 5000 games right now. I mean for the one to two times this will happen each season to the average competitive ranked player is that that big of a deal? You basically experience the same feeling you get when someone afks, and that statistic is closer to one in 300 ranked games.

by whos statistics?

InsanitysTheName2 votes

Riots

KING ATTILA3 votes

{quoted}

Thing is, there always were boosted players, via account sharing, even in previous seasons. Are there really so much more of them this season, and are they really due to Dynamic Queue? If yes and yes, I would agree that DynQ is actually a bad thing for the game. But I honestly don't think that's the case, and I'm getting real tired about all these rants against a system that is all in all a rather good system, despite a few drawbacks. Nothing personal.

No. It is not a good system. Boosting is worse/mpre accessible than ever before. Plus, Riot thinks it is ok. Talk about a a big F U to the players that care about ranked integrity.

DeathBurst7 votes

Boosting is worse/mpre accessible than ever before.

I don't believe that. Do you have any source to back your claim?

Plus, Riot thinks it is ok.

No they don't. It's still prohibited in the ToS. It always was, and it still is this season.

"ranked integrity"

For christ's sake, stop with this bloody buzz word. Your place on the ladder is just as deserved as before. You know what's funny? We see so much less posts about "ELO Hell" since we have this new scapegoat of Dynamic Q.

KING ATTILA3 votes

{quoted}

I don't believe that. Do you have any source to back your claim?

No they don't. It's still prohibited in the ToS. It always was, and it still is this season.

For christ's sake, stop with this bloody buzz word. Your place on the ladder is just as deserved as before. You know what's funny? We see so much less posts about "ELO Hell" since we have this new scapegoat of Dynamic Q.

You sound like you would have voted to stay with the EU.

InsanitysTheName1 votes

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seraph1m1 votes

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G8 B8 M8

InsanitysTheName1 votes

Riot deleted my post.

InsanitysTheName1 votes

Because it talked about the EU...

InsanitysTheName1 votes

In a neutral tone as well.

seraph1m2 votes

{quoted}

In a neutral tone as well.

look heres the thing you said that solos face premades in a small percentage but i dont trust statistics given by riot seeing as they also said that solo q was coming out

by the by my opinion is the UK made a good choice but time will tell

Worst Kench NA11 votes

I'm Bronze and damn proud of it. All of those boosted animals who want to leave are welcome to do so. I'm proud to be a part of the greatest experience in the whole of the ranked ladder.

MrHaZeYo7 votes

Lol you people are annoying this year, like seriously, Boosting happened last year and the year before.

redfeenix2 votes

same answer i gave someone else

{quoted}

Hey dude,

There will always be cheaters scripters boosters etc. However no one complained for 6 years. Why are we complaining now? It's bwcuase before this season, boosting was never ENCOURAGED and REWARDED by RIOT. This season riot wants you to group with your friends for ranked.

HOWEVER full teams will always beat solo players. Why are they in the same queue? I play the best when I'm 5v5 with my friends and comms. But when I play solo I would get crushed vs the same teams.

Communication improves my gameplay a ton! So everyone is mad this season that solo and full five players have to face each other in the same system. It's not fair since solos will all be disadvantaged. Yes they can win, but it's the disadvantage were protesting.

Solution: have 2 ranked queues. One for full 5, one for solo/duo/(maybe trio ) only.

MrHaZeYo12 votes

Full teams 98% of the time play full teams. 4 mans will play 4mans or a 3 n 2. Rarly will a 4 n 1 play vs five 1s.

Why should people who want to play as 4 or 5 be handicapped cause others can't meet friends? It's a team game. Boosting as been around for a long time, and its not encouraged. Riot is encouraging you to play ranked with your friends, you negative people just see it as encouragement to boost.

I Go Pew Pew Pew2 votes

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Why should people who want to play as 4 or 5 be handicapped cause others can't meet friends?

On the other hand, why should solo players be handicapped by having to play against teams of 3 and 4, and occasionally 5?

The simple answer is that neither should be handicapped and there should just be two different queues.

VanixAtTheDisco7 votes

How about no? You guys can complain about dynamic queue, you guys can fight to get solo queue back, that's great. But don't nullify the hours people have actually spent... time people actually spent queuing sololy, not because they despise riot, but because even though this season was rough they still wanted to improve as players.

And the sad thing is I'll be downvoted because the Riot Hate Squad thinks I'm fighting for Riot and I'm against a solo only queue.

Flitchee2 votes

I only really ever duo, sometimes trio, But I never queue with anyone obnoxiously better than me, I'm always queued with similar ranked players. I don't want my friends that aren't so great being a liability to me, nor would I want to queue with someone obnoxiously better than me because I don't want to be a liability in that game either. I basically got higher than I ever have 70% solo q and the rest some games with a handful of friends that are similar skill range. I'd be right pissed if they didn't hand out borders.

McFatal4 votes

it means nothing yes but at the same tiem i didnt use dynamic queue so i shouldnt be grouped with the 5 mans. i used it on smurfs to climb silver and shit for fun but high elo has always been me with my friend or me with myself. ur saying i didnt deserve it?

Dextix LT4 votes

Would probably be better if only those with solo badges received the borders, but even that is abusable as the premades would just play solo games to get the badge before season end. They could do it and not fall down quick enough to get to their original divisions.

EDIT: Ignore this post, i made the mistake in my original assumptions.

McFatal1 votes

duoing isnt bad lol. u NEED someone to play with u in high elo. solo queue is completely rng there

Dextix LT7 votes

No you don't need anyone. You never need anyone. If you are good enough you will rise in a solo system as it is designed to measure your mechanical and communicative skills. If you include premades it becomes unfair. Thus duoing is also a negative, albeit a smaller one. Bigger groups however, cause bigger problems.

McFatal2 votes

so you're telling me as a riven mian i should solo queue like my last game where i went vs a duo jungle eve and top trynd with ignite who camped me all game? the one where some random d1 graves main jungle on my team came top suicided then never came again. but beingsolo is still working? be quiet please. you have no idea what its like to play top in d1 vs premades.

Dextix LT9 votes

That is why i said in "Solo system"

What we have now is not a solo system and it shows the negatives of groups when compared to solos.

Currently, being solo, is unfair and possibly not working.

Umio7 votes

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Would probably be better if only those with solo badges received the borders, but even that is abusable as the premades would just play solo games to get the badge before season end. They could do it and not fall down quick enough to get to their original divisions.

If they can even win 25 games alone . . lol - even if they did they would probably get demoted before end of season

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