AAtrox W Blood Price disables all lifesteal on triggering attack

Valhalla Rising··87 votes·4,034 views

FALSE, sorry. I correctly tested it with 6 vamp scepters this time for lowest bonus ad to lifesteal ratio possible(65%), turns out it's not a gameplay bug but rather a misinformation bug, where it doesn't' show the correct amount of lifesteal because it's subtracted from the cost of blood price, which was quite high and outscaled the 30-40% lifesteal and high bonus ad i previously used to test

Technically it's still a bug but nothing that impacts the performance.

I still can't tell if deaths dance spellvamp works on the bonus dmg tho. good god i wish custom games were much more customizable, would avoid all of this struggle and confusion.

My take from this: Today I Realize Aatrox gives his targets a free item 3075 passive when he uses his W for damage.. also W shouldn't subtract from HUD Information.


O.P:

The triggering attack is supposed to apply lifesteal.

Tested it 3 times with multiple items.

reported in report a bug, 100% ignored.

edit for clarity: example:

I have 200 damage and 20% lifesteal from items with Blood Price active attacking target with 0 armor. Every single attack should be healing me for 40 hp, but when the 3rd attack triggers Blood Price, I heal for nothing.

so my lifesteal goes in this pattern: 40, 40, none, 40, 40, none, 40, 40, none.

deactivate and it's 40, 40, 40, 40, 40, 40, 40, 40, 40.

I feel like Aatrox has multiple deep routed bugs because I saw another post describing bugs, and I just played a game on aatrox where my ui frames and health bars were gone/empty...

needless to say I'm 100% done with this champ until some serious investigation occurs.

37 Comments

Deep Terror Nami11 votes

No response doesn't mean you're ignored. They file it and move on. Responses to bugs reports are both rare and unnecessary. If you've given them enough details to reproduce the bug, then you've done everything you can.

Valhalla Rising8 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zsjrARiI,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-12-28T00:25:00.935+0000)

No response doesn't mean you're ignored. They file it and move on. Responses to bugs reports are both rare and unnecessary. If you've given them enough details to reproduce the bug, then you've done everything you can.

i mean it was ignored by community(not their fault they have no reason to regularly check report a bug forums) not getting a single vote or comment, and it fell to the bottom of the page almost instantly.

considering the severity of this bug It should be addressed asap.

Sinlaire1 votes

the report a bug thread gets almost no recognition from the community regardless of the post's validity.

Shortly after the Darius rework i posted about how Darius' W doesnt play his animation and only used the sound effect on use if used immediately after another skill.

I think it got about 50 views and one comment but on the patch a week later Riot had fixed it.

Jasiwel3 votes

Ignored about as much as the champion. Nobody (as in mass public support, in comparison to Lee Sin/Ahri/etc) cared about him, everyone complained when he was "strong", and now he's about as useful as Rumble compared to meta picks.

Edit: For clarification, I'm simply speaking realistically. There hasn't been a massive push for Aatrox. Ever. Yes there have been successful threads, but there has never been a great push by a large percentage of the community nor by the professional scene to bring him up to viable-tier. If Mordekaiser's incredible defense threads barely swayed Riot, Aatrox simply doesn't stand a chance until Riot decides to revisit him in a future update.

3ofGot40ve17 votes

That doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed. If fiddles ult had a bug where it wasn't doing damage would you ignore that?

Jasiwel9 votes

I completely agree. I never said he shouldn't be ignored. I was simply stating the fact that he is one of the ignored champions that Riot doesn't know what to do with yet. Most of the community doesn't even recognize he exists either.

Ironically, the 2% that play him win 50%+ of their games.

Shield Villain4 votes

He's simple when you realize how he plays and where his strengths are. But it's mostly gamble from my experience. You abuse your poke and hope to god you're not going against someone who does what you do better.

Jasiwel2 votes

The problem I see is that he has some serious hard counters alongside being outclassed by the same hard counters. Darius, Fiora, Gnar, and Irelia basically do everything he does well, but better. Don't even suggest his revive passive and Q-Engage are worth much either - he depends on actually being relevant for those aspects to even matter.

Today I watched an Aatrox go against a Darius and just flat out lose. There was nothing he could do at any point and Darius simply walked all over him the entire game. Darius became fed and was unstoppable. Make what argument you will about Darius' balance, but it's an example of how outright obsolete Aatrox is if he isn't used as a counterpick.

Shield Villain4 votes

When you play Aatrox you realize that every match up is a hard counter in some way or another. I really can't think of a single champion you hard counter ridiculously well. You can do well against most tanks, but that's about it.

Still it's not always a death sentence. I've gone against Juggernaut Darius before, and it's really just a matter of skill and realizing he's just way better than you. Just have to play it safe and abuse whatever mistakes you can.

Though that could be said about any champion, really. If you're a good Aatrox you can typically do well against anyone. You just can't expect to win lane. Like ever...unless you get tons of help early game to the point you can leap onto anyone and end them. But even then you could be 6/0/3 Aatrox and lose to 1/7/0 Jayce

JMoormann1 votes

The problem is that he is mostly unreliant of resources and cooldowns (as his W is his most important spell). This creates 2 problems.

When ahead, he can continuously trade without any cost, leading to complete domination over his lane. Once he dominates his lane, he can freely AA minions to heal and snowball his dominance even further by always being on full health.

However, when behind it creates the same problem. A Jax who is behind can still trade favorably if he manages his cooldowns correctly. Aatrox, with his W and AAs as his largest damage source, cannot get that temporary power by waiting for CDs. His only resource is health, which he can get with lane dominance, which he can get with... indeed, health.

The combination of manaless and not CD reliant for damage (aside from his ult) is unique to him, and creates very binary gameplay: if you are ahead, you stay ahead, and if you are behind, you stay behind (without jungle intervention).

It's why I feel like he should be moved to the ADC spot, to make sure he can't trade continuously when ahead, and to give him a fallback when behind, in the form of a support. I still have to work out the idea, but I will definitely make a suggestion about it.

Lowvyr1 votes

I care about Aatrox, I main him.

Jasiwel1 votes

That's cool. I wanted to main him top lane, but never took off with him because the meta always kept him at a disadvantage. I just couldn't learn him well enough.

To be fair to me, though, I said MOST of the community probably doesn't realize he's existent until 2/100 players pick him in a game.

TheDevice1 votes

{quoted}

Ignored about as much as the champion. Nobody (as in mass public support, in comparison to Lee Sin/Ahri/etc) cared about him, everyone complained when he was "strong", and now he's about as useful as Rumble compared to meta picks.

Edit: For clarification, I'm simply speaking realistically. There hasn't been a massive push for Aatrox. Ever. Yes there have been successful threads, but there has never been a great push by a large percentage of the community nor by the professional scene to bring him up to viable-tier. If Mordekaiser's incredible defense threads barely swayed Riot, Aatrox simply doesn't stand a chance until Riot decides to revisit him in a future update.

I think what you're saying is super correct. He's not a popular pick and thus gets little attention by Riot themselves. They mostly concern themselves with updating older champs (which im all for btw) and then tweaking, buffing, or just constantly catering to the more popular picks of leagues (lee sin, vayne, riven, etc).

Look at karthus' thread which has been created around the same time as this. Even karth isnt a as popular pick as lee and the support for him getting a sortof glam on his ult (global quote) is more than 6x more important to the community than actual issues with a particular champion. 77 upvotes to his 600+. It just plainly shows that the community, and thus riot, doesn't really care that much.

Sure, people like myself and some others, will want to see him do well and upvote stuff like this. But the majority isn't bothered and couldn't care less.

If there was some glitch or buggy business with riven or lee sin, Riot would be on it immediately.

Shivarus3 votes

Does the damage taken from blood price cancel out the lifesteal, perhaps?

Valhalla Rising7 votes

[{quoted}](name=Shivarus Zix,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zsjrARiI,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-12-28T03:45:08.585+0000)

Does the damage taken from blood price cancel out the lifesteal, perhaps?

I also tried it with just 3 vamp sceptres and 2 dorans blade which has low bonus ad and high lifesteal, still not any healing when triggered.

and i'm pretty sure It's supposed to show your lifesteal proc regardless.

Edit: you nailed it. it took 6 vamp sceptres to finally see a little lifesteal still apply on the triggering attack.

it's actually shown me jsut how dumb the kit actually is.

Auz the Ripper3 votes

Have you checked how much life you're losing each time? The game may automatically subtracted the health gained from bloodprice's cost

Although I do recall a red post back when he was released saying that Bloodprice was suppost to function in the way you described, although knowing reds I'm not sure if the post was "canon" or not and that was quite a awhile ago

Either way item 3812 Gets around the limitation on the triggering attack and the bonus damage

FistOfSharkiesha2 votes

Probably why he's been so shit. Similar thing with Xin Zhao. He got second hand buffed when rageblade came out and his winrate dropped. Turns out he was bugged for like ever.

junglerboy161 votes

Yeah, I wish. Aatrox has been a crap champion since his release since his kit is extremely simplistic while also having incredibly strong abilities in isolation, which basically means all of his abilities have to be balanced into being trash for him not to be broken af.

Aatrox is bad on purpose because they released a bad kit with no identity that is essentially a ball of stats that are OP when even slightly tuned.

3ofGot40ve2 votes

he is a squishy fighter. And building tank takes away from his potential.

kaltenashes1 votes

wut xin zhao winrate dropped with new guinsoo?

Slamurai Jack1 votes

The bonus damage from blood price doesn't proc lifesteal if that's what you mean. That is intentional and has always been this way.

Valhalla Rising1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Slamurai Jack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zsjrARiI,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-12-28T00:39:57.964+0000)

The bonus damage from blood price doesn't proc lifesteal if that's what you mean. That is intentional and has always been this way.

not what i mean.

EnderForHegemon2 votes

You mean entire auto, including base damage before bonus W damage, does not grant lifesteal? And you're sure it doesn't?

cody dong1 votes

Pretty sure he's saying it doesn't proc lifesteal at all.

EnderForHegemon1 votes

That aint cool

Abysswalker Sif1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Slamurai Jack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zsjrARiI,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-12-28T00:39:57.964+0000)

The bonus damage from blood price doesn't proc lifesteal if that's what you mean. That is intentional and has always been this way.

You didn't read the post lmfao

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

Take to "report a bug" section.

Jari1 votes

{quoted} reported in report a bug, 100% ignored.

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

Fair, but they won't look for bugs here. I think the report a bug section is a much better bet to actually get attention from Riot.

Jari1 votes

Well it didn't get any attention there, so he's just trying to get it noticed, even if it means this thread gets deleted because they can't move threads for some reason.

WormBones1 votes

Aatrox is just mechanically broken. I play a fair amount of Aatrox (one of my two mastery 5 champs) and sated devourer doesn't work half the time, meaning you have to do a bunch of resets until it decides to cooperate. If they fix him I feel like he'll become popular and get nerfed though.

ZGM Dazzling1 votes

Sanbox PLS

Captain Aishi1 votes

death's dance works off of the bonus damage from W, since it works on all physical damage dealt

Annoxis1 votes

Tried it, it doesn't...

Zedex1 votes

Found this a lot while I was playing.

Have my 3rd swing up. Doesn't matter it if was heal or damage, bug happens with both stances. have 3rd hit ready. Use Q to dive into someone. Queue up the auto as your landing so he does it instantly. Auto goes, passive stack from my 3rd hit dissapears and is unused on said next right click. Have had this happen a lot, pretty sure it isn't just a visual thing either. I don't get hp back or lose hp from the swing, and the particles and icon vanish as if I did.

Pale Pirate1 votes

My take from this: Today I Realize Aatrox gives his targets a free item 3075 passive when he uses his W for damage.. also W shouldn't subtract from HUD Information.

The spaghetti code is real, man.

SouL1ess1 votes

The self-inflicted damage increases as you have more Bonus AD.

Which is really stupid IMO.

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