How to deal with that type of players ?

ValiantKiller·Apr 20, 2018·2 votes·1,574 views

I was playing jg and i was doing decent job in early game, i give that twitch a handle of lead by helping him to kill bot lane and get first tower while our top garen was doing good job in zoning daruis and such.

Anyway after level 11 twitch and garen start to trash talk to me all game thinking both of them going to carry, i muted them and moved on so i tried to farm my jg but i found nothing and that cause both of twitch and garen take each camp and clear it even garen took my blue for himself.

So ofcourse by the time everyone was level 18 i was level 15 and hardly got 4 items because they ate all of my farm and while in same time they was still trash talk and even garen asked in all chat "Report that toxic wukong " While both of my mid and support can confirm that i said nothing at all almost all game.

After that we lost game cause we all was ad and i mostly was complete out of game due to level difference and items difference.

Honestly such players won't get banned and i reported them, but i know they won't get banned so i deal with such players ?

22 Comments

Did The MaffApr 20, 20182 votes

Just play around them. If they were taking your camps just take their farm in lane. Or follow them and use your smite. There is no sense in feeling bad about it.

So ofcourse by the time everyone was level 18 i was level 15 and hardly got 4 items because they ate all of my farm

That is no excuse. There is always farm somewhere on the map, just be quick about it. I have never had a top or adc outdamage me in the jungle (with smite).

ValiantKillerApr 20, 20181 votes

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Just play around them. If they were taking your camps just take their farm in lane. Or follow them and use your smite. There is no sense in feeling bad about it.

That is no excuse. There is always farm somewhere on the map, just be quick about it. I have never had a top or adc outdamage me in the jungle (with smite).

Still their actions need a punished from the game, And problem is we had no lanes, all lanes was pushed and they was ahead of me already so they keep taking camps whenever i'm dead and just force themself on it. Honestly i never played that bad in my life, but the amount of pressure and headache i had from them.

Did The MaffApr 20, 20181 votes

Still their actions need a punished from the game,

Punished for what? For taking jungle farm? Jungle monsters are not exlusive to the jungler. There is no difference in the jungler giving blue buff and toplaner taking blue buff since there is no rule or law that prevents it.

And problem is we had no lanes, all lanes was pushed and they was ahead of me already so they keep taking camps whenever i'm dead and just force themself on it.

Then let them take it and you just focus on ganking. If they are ahead, they take your camps, they will get further ahead and hopefully more farmed and can carry. Granted you guys were full ad team and lost, but would you have said the same thing if both the top and ADC went on a rampage and carried the game?

Honestly i never played that bad in my life, but the amount of pressure and headache i had from them.

Take a break, relax, and realise its just a game. If you let other peoples action affect you, you will live a miserable life.

ValiantKillerApr 20, 20181 votes

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Punished for what? For taking jungle farm? Jungle monsters are not exlusive to the jungler. There is no difference in the jungler giving blue buff and toplaner taking blue buff since there is no rule or law that prevents it.

Then let them take it and you just focus on ganking. If they are ahead, they take your camps, they will get further ahead and hopefully more farmed and can carry. Granted you guys were full ad team and lost, but would you have said the same thing if both the top and ADC went on a rampage and carried the game?

Take a break, relax, and realise its just a game. If you let other peoples action affect you, you will live a miserable life.

i did take a break lol, i just went to play aram after this game and it honestly what titled me the most was their trash talk before i muted them before i could do anything. Yes i would said the same thing and i was planning on reporting them winning or losing, such trash talk and toxic level beyond limit you saw nothing from toxic level even when they muted they keep trash talk that blitz was like in chat " 100% being toxic make you lose game even you are ahead" i didn't know why he said, but sure it was respond to them since i was muting them.

And they was on rampage indeed and they was ahead, but you know how they throw game ? it not cause we all ad it cause they keep trying to force 4v5 all game without me then spam me over and over when i was like 5 seconds away from them before they force that play.

Did The MaffApr 20, 20181 votes

Then whats the problem again? Venting out and reporting people for trashtalk and toxicity is all fine and dandy. But complaining about players taking the jungle camps and want them punished for it is just not gonna happen.

And they was on rampage indeed and they was ahead, but you know how they throw game ? it not cause we all ad it cause they keep trying to force 4v5 all game without me then spam me over and over when i was like 5 seconds away from them before they force that play.

That is just silvers being silvers. Or rather bad players who dont know how to close a game.

ValiantKillerApr 20, 20181 votes

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Then whats the problem again? Venting out and reporting people for trashtalk and toxicity is all fine and dandy. But complaining about players taking the jungle camps and want them punished for it is just not gonna happen.

That is just silvers being silvers. Or rather bad players who dont know how to close a game.

Yes i mean their actions lead them to even just eat farm for no reason , like why garen would take blue buff ?

And yes silver is silver, but i mean why they trash talk to a person when they throw and try to 4v5 all game ?

Did The MaffApr 20, 20181 votes

Yes i mean their actions lead them to even just eat farm for no reason , like why garen would take blue buff ?

Gold (100g), exp and CDR. I wouldve done the same thing depending on situations. There is always reasons to eat farm. To get ahead. I have had games in were i have 350+ CS and other players (team or enemy) have 100. So again, first come first serves.

And yes silver is silver, but i mean why they trash talk to a person when they throw and try to 4v5 all game ?

Because its never their own fault. I dont know what happend that game, but either they started teamfight 5 seconds early or you were 5 seconds late. And you said they started 4v5, they will say you were 5 seconds late.

ValiantKillerApr 20, 20181 votes

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Gold (100g), exp and CDR. I wouldve done the same thing depending on situations. There is always reasons to eat farm. To get ahead. I have had games in were i have 350+ CS and other players (team or enemy) have 100. So again, first come first serves.

Because its never their own fault. I dont know what happend that game, but either they started teamfight 5 seconds early or you were 5 seconds late. And you said they started 4v5, they will say you were 5 seconds late.

Well they start it early, i was just re spawn at base while garen rush in 1v3 (At their inner middle turrent location) then twitch follow him while blitz ditch twitch and stuck himself with ezreal and they was at our inner turrent area so it was 1v3 with garen then twitch show up to make it 2v3 then their whole team jumped over garen and twitch which forced both blitz and ez to try to help as i was almost near the middle area in the middle.

AptestApr 20, 20181 votes

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Take a break, relax, and realise its just a game. If you let other peoples action affect you, you will live a miserable life.

to the OP:

The first thing you should do when you start having these tilting disagreements, is mute whomever is flaming you. You did that, so you are off to a good start.

Now we know that your lanes have pushed up, then left lanes to farm your jungle, and repeat.

Given that your jungle camps is taken, what can you do to get ahead in the game? Is there something useful you can do that isn't walking in circles in your now empty jungle?

Can you farm the enemy jungle? you have a fed garen, is mr. Spin-the-Douche available to back you up on that play? Can you time your invade to when mr Carousel is pushed up and can come to you if you need help? Is mr I'm-the-ADC-bow-before-me available to help you out with a bot side invade?

Can you show up to the pushed tower and dive the enemy? your douche allies may hate you, but they will probably help with a dive if they think they can KS the kill (take the kill yourself if you want just enough gold to do future plays with the mid lane, let them have it if you want future cooperation).

Can you contest the enemy buff and kill the enemy jungle? is there anyone on your team willing to help you out with this?

Can you tax their lane? is that useful (ignore their back ping spam)?

the laners pushing up and then poaching the friendly jungle is a VERY old strategy in league of legends, and in seasons 3-4 we saw this all the time whenever the lanes had enough damage and sustain to kill the creeps without losing hp and time. The top lane taking your wolves and gromp, the mid lane taking the chickens and the bottom lane taking the double golems, and the jugnler having 0 farm, that was at some past time, THE NORM.

so don't get mad. that's just the way the game is. Sometimes the friendly laners will poach. When I play ADC, as soon as I can poach, if i don't have anything to do, im taking a camp. And you should not have any down time either. Is the camp going to be up? yes/no? if no, go do something useful. like gank or invade.

maff: exactly as you said it.

ValiantKillerApr 20, 20181 votes

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to the OP:

The first thing you should do when you start having these tilting disagreements, is mute whomever is flaming you. You did that, so you are off to a good start.

Now we know that your lanes have pushed up, then left lanes to farm your jungle, and repeat.

Given that your jungle camps is taken, what can you do to get ahead in the game? Is there something useful you can do that isn't walking in circles in your now empty jungle?

Can you farm the enemy jungle? you have a fed garen, is mr. Spin-the-Douche available to back you up on that play? Can you time your invade to when mr Carousel is pushed up and can come to you if you need help? Is mr I'm-the-ADC-bow-before-me available to help you out with a bot side invade?

Can you show up to the pushed tower and dive the enemy? your douche allies may hate you, but they will probably help with a dive if they think they can KS the kill (take the kill yourself if you want just enough gold to do future plays with the mid lane, let them have it if you want future cooperation).

Can you contest the enemy buff and kill the enemy jungle? is there anyone on your team willing to help you out with this?

Can you tax their lane? is that useful (ignore their back ping spam)?

the laners pushing up and then poaching the friendly jungle is a VERY old strategy in league of legends, and in seasons 3-4 we saw this all the time whenever the lanes had enough damage and sustain to kill the creeps without losing hp and time. The top lane taking your wolves and gromp, the mid lane taking the chickens and the bottom lane taking the double golems, and the jugnler having 0 farm, that was at some past time, THE NORM.

so don't get mad. that's just the way the game is. Sometimes the friendly laners will poach. When I play ADC, as soon as I can poach, if i don't have anything to do, im taking a camp. And you should not have any down time either. Is the camp going to be up? yes/no? if no, go do something useful. like gank or invade.

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maff: exactly as you said it.

Yes i did mute them honestly, like that garen was like "You playing weak champion , wukong is squishy af and can't tank yet you full ad build blah blah" I'm like dude stop it already, i did carry the last 2 games and yourself could check my history(Infact i did get 3 honor first game 15-0 kda and second game i had 15-8 and had 4 honor ) but nah he keep the trash talk with even more abusive words i'm like fine enjoy your mute but after i mute them twitch and garen start the spam ping,. and when i die they just go and eat my farm, look as for the part that adc get gold and farm i'm fine with that i don't mind it if you are ahead and need to finish your items, do it. But both of them had max level and full set yet they just take farm for no reason, but i tried to do my best to get any exp from anything in my face but both enemy and our jg was empty and lanes pushed hard till both garen and twitch throw game and made them comeback and throw their leads.

AptestApr 21, 20181 votes

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Yes i did mute them honestly, like that garen was like "You playing weak champion , wukong is squishy af and can't tank yet you full ad build blah blah" I'm like dude stop it already, i did carry the last 2 games and yourself could check my history(Infact i did get 3 honor first game 15-0 kda and second game i had 15-8 and had 4 honor ) but nah he keep the trash talk with even more abusive words i'm like fine enjoy your mute but after i mute them twitch and garen start the spam ping,. and when i die they just go and eat my farm, look as for the part that adc get gold and farm i'm fine with that i don't mind it if you are ahead and need to finish your items, do it. But both of them had max level and full set yet they just take farm for no reason, but i tried to do my best to get any exp from anything in my face but both enemy and our jg was empty and lanes pushed hard till both garen and twitch throw game and made them comeback and throw their leads.

As a rule, your "last 2 games" aren't useful in determining what you should do this game. "I carried my last two games" does not mean that you are supposed to be the main carry this game or that your squishy full damage glass cannon assassin build is what's needed in the context of this game.

AS a wukong player you know that he has a number of builds ranging from full tank to full damage and that each game your choice on how much damage and how much tank you need in the build changes according to what you are supposed to do in the game and "nuke the enemy carries" is not always your job.

From seeing your match history I can see that you only build "fun wukong" (full damage squish assassin glass cannon). That your build is completely static and locked (granted, playing damage is more fun than playing tank) tells me you are making some mistake.

That being said you are in a position where you are fighting with your team, so you should think, is 44 minutes of a miserable game followed by sulking on the forums really an optimal solution? And why the hell isn't the game over already after both top and bot reach full build?

Thinking back on this game, here is the question that is relevant: is there any thing that YOU could have done to end the game in your favor? Go over your decisions in the game. When did you make them, why did you make them, and was the result good for the team? Is there any decision that, if replaced by a different decision, would have improved things? Is there any place where you could have made a decision, but you didn't because you didn't identify that there is an option for making a decision there?

** so here is what i think: given that the game sucks and your team mates are a bunch of douches and you are under farmed and under leveled and can't get your jungle's farm, what can you do to farm the enemy team and carry the game? **

ValiantKillerApr 21, 20181 votes

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As a rule, your "last 2 games" aren't useful in determining what you should do this game. "I carried my last two games" does not mean that you are supposed to be the main carry this game or that your squishy full damage glass cannon assassin build is what's needed in the context of this game.

AS a wukong player you know that he has a number of builds ranging from full tank to full damage and that each game your choice on how much damage and how much tank you need in the build changes according to what you are supposed to do in the game and "nuke the enemy carries" is not always your job.

From seeing your match history I can see that you only build "fun wukong" (full damage squish assassin glass cannon). That your build is completely static and locked (granted, playing damage is more fun than playing tank) tells me you are making some mistake.

That being said you are in a position where you are fighting with your team, so you should think, is 44 minutes of a miserable game followed by sulking on the forums really an optimal solution? And why the hell isn't the game over already after both top and bot reach full build?

Thinking back on this game, here is the question that is relevant: is there any thing that YOU could have done to end the game in your favor? Go over your decisions in the game. When did you make them, why did you make them, and was the result good for the team? Is there any decision that, if replaced by a different decision, would have improved things? Is there any place where you could have made a decision, but you didn't because you didn't identify that there is an option for making a decision there?

** so here is what i think: given that the game sucks and your team mates are a bunch of douches and you are under farmed and under leveled and can't get your jungle's farm, what can you do to farm the enemy team and carry the game? **

I understand what you talking about and i understand that i got some mistakes here and there. But i mean it come to moment where twitch just bold clear saying that in my face "Shhh...i will make shotcalls from now on " Once he said and wow man we start to throw slowly and slowly, they start to force their own team fights and trying to force that 2v4 it came to point where me, blitz and ezreal got no calls in game beside twitch and garne. And for moment i thought both of them are duo but only to find out nah they just random people who think of themself and make their own stuff forcing use to slow slowly even when they had a big lead.

So as answer to your question against 3 full tanky armor team because we all was forced into ad hole, there nothing i could do with a 3v5 cause mostly garen and twitch try to find a way to cheese down the other team adc and mid only to come at cost of 1 kill to 2 death on my side.

And that what made me goes into rage and not able to focus on what to do, cause they just force everything in my throat, take my farm by force and just keep typing in chat nonsense stuff about that and this.

AptestApr 21, 20181 votes

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I understand what you talking about and i understand that i got some mistakes here and there. But i mean it come to moment where twitch just bold clear saying that in my face "Shhh...i will make shotcalls from now on " Once he said and wow man we start to throw slowly and slowly, they start to force their own team fights and trying to force that 2v4 it came to point where me, blitz and ezreal got no calls in game beside twitch and garne. And for moment i thought both of them are duo but only to find out nah they just random people who think of themself and make their own stuff forcing use to slow slowly even when they had a big lead.

So as answer to your question against 3 full tanky armor team because we all was forced into ad hole, there nothing i could do with a 3v5 cause mostly garen and twitch try to find a way to cheese down the other team adc and mid only to come at cost of 1 kill to 2 death on my side.

And that what made me goes into rage and not able to focus on what to do, cause they just force everything in my throat, take my farm by force and just keep typing in chat nonsense stuff about that and this.

The point is, instead of dwelling on what your allies are doing, you are better off to see if you can do something proactive. You have an ezreal, and a blitz and you're a wukong, it means you have both CC and follow up damage, so you've got to be able to pull some good plays out of somewhere.

For instance, see the enemy ADC. He knows he is being cheesed. And he sees his team has the damage in a prolonged fight. So he builds to survive. He knows the Twitch's build is specifically good at nuking him, and specifically bad at fighting Darius and WW, after he is nuked. So he knows he just has to hang on and do his thing.

And in any case you're not going to nuke the carry and win with their team comp. Double guardian angel is going to take care of that. So you have to use something else. The fact that you've got 2 carries and can more or less out-DPS any amount of armor with that as long as you can kite away from the darius and the WW.

How about your team? where's the last whisper? you have a bunch of tanky champions to go through, why are you building a bunch of cheap nuking items when you need to DPS down a darius and a WW? Where's the grievous wounds in your build? Where's the big armor pen money item?

Anyway im not trying to give advice on how to play you're a better overall player than me. I'm just saying the mindset of being fixated on your bad experience with a bunch of players you disagree with is harmful to your own experience and your own chances of winning the game. And it may very well be that this game was in fact unwinnable because of a bunch of throwers who don't want to win and want to prolong the game and pad their KDAs instead of winning, but we can not know if that is the case, since you were not able to think of what you needed to do, because you kinda lost your mojo to having a bad experience interacting with them.

Regardless of whether you win or lose you want to keep your mojo going. Because that's how you have fun in the game. And that's what I am trying to say.

ValiantKillerApr 21, 20181 votes

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The point is, instead of dwelling on what your allies are doing, you are better off to see if you can do something proactive. You have an ezreal, and a blitz and you're a wukong, it means you have both CC and follow up damage, so you've got to be able to pull some good plays out of somewhere.

For instance, see the enemy ADC. He knows he is being cheesed. And he sees his team has the damage in a prolonged fight. So he builds to survive. He knows the Twitch's build is specifically good at nuking him, and specifically bad at fighting Darius and WW, after he is nuked. So he knows he just has to hang on and do his thing.

And in any case you're not going to nuke the carry and win with their team comp. Double guardian angel is going to take care of that. So you have to use something else. The fact that you've got 2 carries and can more or less out-DPS any amount of armor with that as long as you can kite away from the darius and the WW.

How about your team? where's the last whisper? you have a bunch of tanky champions to go through, why are you building a bunch of cheap nuking items when you need to DPS down a darius and a WW? Where's the grievous wounds in your build? Where's the big armor pen money item?

Anyway im not trying to give advice on how to play you're a better overall player than me. I'm just saying the mindset of being fixated on your bad experience with a bunch of players you disagree with is harmful to your own experience and your own chances of winning the game. And it may very well be that this game was in fact unwinnable because of a bunch of throwers who don't want to win and want to prolong the game and pad their KDAs instead of winning, but we can not know if that is the case, since you were not able to think of what you needed to do, because you kinda lost your mojo to having a bad experience interacting with them.

Regardless of whether you win or lose you want to keep your mojo going. Because that's how you have fun in the game. And that's what I am trying to say.

I'm not a better a player, after all it didn't pass even a year on the time that i played league so i start last year and here i'm almost like 9 months so any advice here and there is helpful, special that me is still learning and proud to be stuck in silver 2 right in that hell of meta.

But honesty at the part of having fun, it seem i have more fun with being jg more than being top

AptestApr 21, 20181 votes

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I'm not a better a player, after all it didn't pass even a year on the time that i played league so i start last year and here i'm almost like 9 months so any advice here and there is helpful, special that me is still learning and proud to be stuck in silver 2 right in that hell of meta.

But honesty at the part of having fun, it seem i have more fun with being jg more than being top

That is because top lane is in a sordid state for some long time now. Mostly because of the response RIOT has take to diminish the game warping effect of "duelist split pushers".

ValiantKillerApr 21, 20181 votes

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That is because top lane is in a sordid state for some long time now. Mostly because of the response RIOT has take to diminish the game warping effect of "duelist split pushers".

Man i don't know if it me or everyone else feel the same. But losing a game while being jg feel less stressful and less raging than losing it as top laner, like my heart hurt more and my brain goes into mad mood when i win lane and lose game while if i was even winning as jg in counter jg and such then lost a game even if i have like kda of 25-10 it doesn't feel that bad like it feel to lose while playing top. Yet when you win game as top laner it feel good while winning as jg it feel like you didn't do much, like i don't know playing jg feel less stressed on winning or losing like if you win as jg, got S+ and 4 honors doesn't feel that good as much as winning as top laner with 2 honors and S-. While losing as jg doesn't feel that bad and you could move on to next game easily, but losing as top special after winning lane it just make me rage hard.

AptestApr 21, 20181 votes

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Man i don't know if it me or everyone else feel the same.

Everybody else are feeling the same way. This is why the "top lane experience" got "nerfd"

Yet when you win game as top laner it feel good while winning as jg it feel like you didn't do much

Most people don't want to just "win". They want to "win while they are the ones carrying". And they don't play champions that are the best at "winning", they play champions that are the best at "being the ones that carry and are also able to win while carrying"

When you win from top lane, often this is the case. You play champions that can grab the spotlight and keep it. But RIOT has nerfd the "top lane experience" to make other people have the spotlight too. Because top lane is isolated, this change creates a schism between your experience when winning (me carry, me awesome!), or losing (damn botlane feeding again).

Losing because of you, is better than losing because of someone else. Because losing because of you triggers the feelings of failure, maybe even inferiority. Which have positive aspects. Whereas losing because of someone else triggers feelings of helplessness, and resentment, which are much less pleasant and also have less "upsides" (upsides = triggering feeling of learning, curiosity, ambition, competition - all positive emotions that accompany failure)

ValiantKillerApr 21, 20181 votes

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Everybody else are feeling the same way. This is why the "top lane experience" got "nerfd"

Most people don't want to just "win". They want to "win while they are the ones carrying". And they don't play champions that are the best at "winning", they play champions that are the best at "being the ones that carry and are also able to win while carrying"

When you win from top lane, often this is the case. You play champions that can grab the spotlight and keep it. But RIOT has nerfd the "top lane experience" to make other people have the spotlight too. Because top lane is isolated, this change creates a schism between your experience when winning (me carry, me awesome!), or losing (damn botlane feeding again).

Losing because of you, is better than losing because of someone else. Because losing because of you triggers the feelings of failure, maybe even inferiority. Which have positive aspects. Whereas losing because of someone else triggers feelings of helplessness, and resentment, which are much less pleasant and also have less "upsides" (upsides = triggering feeling of learning, curiosity, ambition, competition - all positive emotions that accompany failure)

Doesn't explain to me yet why i feel so much rewarding from winning game as top laner and yet feel so much disappointed and sadness when i lose as top laner.

Yet again if i win as jg i feel like nothing much and i could do better, yet even i had like 4 honors and S+ but if i lose as jg i don't feel like the need to blame someone or just i have the feeling of " I don't care let's move to next game" Like it just feel weird, it more like jg got duty to do as in objective ,ganks, counterjg, counter gank while top just about winning your lane hard and try to help others in same time if possible , it more of top is "trying hard" and jg is doing " jg duty"

AptestApr 21, 20181 votes

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Doesn't explain to me yet why i feel so much rewarding from winning game as top laner and yet feel so much disappointed and sadness when i lose as top laner.

Yet again if i win as jg i feel like nothing much and i could do better, yet even i had like 4 honors and S+ but if i lose as jg i don't feel like the need to blame someone or just i have the feeling of " I don't care let's move to next game" Like it just feel weird, it more like jg got duty to do as in objective ,ganks, counterjg, counter gank while top just about winning your lane hard and try to help others in same time if possible , it more of top is "trying hard" and jg is doing " jg duty"

Ok that is on me, because I was trying to shorthand the explanation for you but i did not explain well enough.

Here are the three core principles that determine your level of being upset / happy after a game: The amount of suck you feel, depends on how much influence you have over the loss. The amount of awesome you feel, depends on how much influence you have over the win. The games that triggered the least amount of emotion, are forgotten.

Here are how most top laners work. You have your bullies, you have your carries, and you have your "tanks". And some exemptions like rumble and kennen who are AP team fighers (in kennen's case this is build dependent). Bullies are like Renekton and Pantheon. They crush their lane and then snowball. Carries are your Jax and Tryndamere. They start up like bitches but eventually they become too much to handle. Tanks basically bulk up and wait for the team grouping.

How do bullies win? Sometimes they win because bot lane goes nuclear or the jungler ganks a lot. But the way the bully seeks to win, is to crush his own lane, and snowball really fast and "stay ahead of" the enemy team's power spikes. Maybe he gets some early jungler help, but after that the whole snowball thing is all on the player. Playing a bully is a risky pick and the player has to capitalize on the early reward, because the other top lane archetypes are outright stronger in an even game.

How do bullies lose (outside of missplay ofc)? The lane goes even because they get camped, or their team loses around them, or they do not capitalize on early lead. The last one is very_ hard for inexperienced players to spot_ and so this most significant reason is often overlooked or miss-identified. The other two reasons are events outside the player's control.

Conclusion: the bully has a way of winning the game that hinges highly on the bully's play. I.e. highly rewarding emotionally when it happens. His most dominant way of losing (that depends on him) is often overlooked OR ATTRIBUTED TO HIS TEAM, leaving mostly lose conditions that are outside of the player's control, I.E. highly upsetting.

How do carries win? They get late enough in the game such that they can not be 1v1ed. And then since they suck at grouping, they go and split push and the enemy team has to chase them around (while slowly losing). So basically it's all about them at that point.

How do they lose? Sometimes they get dominated and snowballed on. At other times, The game just outpaces them. The enemy team can also be hard-engaged on by a grouped enemy team, which will then rush towers as a group, easily racing the lone split pushing carry.

Notice the trend? _many loss conditions do not involve the top lane player. _

I'll let you fill the tank explanation yourself. At this point I will just say this: top lane players like playing bullies and carries, and do not like playing tanks. The reasons are that tanks only have team-dependent win conditions.

ValiantKillerApr 21, 20181 votes

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Ok that is on me, because I was trying to shorthand the explanation for you but i did not explain well enough.

Here are the three core principles that determine your level of being upset / happy after a game: The amount of suck you feel, depends on how much influence you have over the loss. The amount of awesome you feel, depends on how much influence you have over the win. The games that triggered the least amount of emotion, are forgotten.

Here are how most top laners work. You have your bullies, you have your carries, and you have your "tanks". And some exemptions like rumble and kennen who are AP team fighers (in kennen's case this is build dependent). Bullies are like Renekton and Pantheon. They crush their lane and then snowball. Carries are your Jax and Tryndamere. They start up like bitches but eventually they become too much to handle. Tanks basically bulk up and wait for the team grouping.

How do bullies win? Sometimes they win because bot lane goes nuclear or the jungler ganks a lot. But the way the bully seeks to win, is to crush his own lane, and snowball really fast and "stay ahead of" the enemy team's power spikes. Maybe he gets some early jungler help, but after that the whole snowball thing is all on the player. Playing a bully is a risky pick and the player has to capitalize on the early reward, because the other top lane archetypes are outright stronger in an even game.

How do bullies lose (outside of missplay ofc)? The lane goes even because they get camped, or their team loses around them, or they do not capitalize on early lead. The last one is very_ hard for inexperienced players to spot_ and so this most significant reason is often overlooked or miss-identified. The other two reasons are events outside the player's control.

Conclusion: the bully has a way of winning the game that hinges highly on the bully's play. I.e. highly rewarding emotionally when it happens. His most dominant way of losing (that depends on him) is often overlooked OR ATTRIBUTED TO HIS TEAM, leaving mostly lose conditions that are outside of the player's control, I.E. highly upsetting.

How do carries win? They get late enough in the game such that they can not be 1v1ed. And then since they suck at grouping, they go and split push and the enemy team has to chase them around (while slowly losing). So basically it's all about them at that point.

How do they lose? Sometimes they get dominated and snowballed on. At other times, The game just outpaces them. The enemy team can also be hard-engaged on by a grouped enemy team, which will then rush towers as a group, easily racing the lone split pushing carry.

Notice the trend? _many loss conditions do not involve the top lane player. _

I'll let you fill the tank explanation yourself. At this point I will just say this: top lane players like playing bullies and carries, and do not like playing tanks. The reasons are that tanks only have team-dependent win conditions.

Well i think i will related to bully conditions since i mostly play either urgot or illaoi for top lane while wukong is for the bully on squishy on top lane, I do play Yorick and trundle though they more of bullies and carries? Idk but I play them as counter pick.

But i agree with bully part you need to be ahead of enemy and when you lose lead it mostly to being camped by enemy jg or your bot or mid lost so fast that their enemy laners came top to stop you.

Like in most matches i go 3-0 with urgot manage to take first tower if other lanes was holding or second tower atleast if bot or mid lost it but i what make things turn around if enemy adc is like 5-0 with little . help he will shut you down

130xApr 21, 20181 votes

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I was playing jg and i was doing decent job in early game, i give that twitch a handle of lead by helping him to kill bot lane and get first tower while our top garen was doing good job in zoning daruis and such.

Anyway after level 11 twitch and garen start to trash talk to me all game thinking both of them going to carry, i muted them and moved on so i tried to farm my jg but i found nothing and that cause both of twitch and garen take each camp and clear it even garen took my blue for himself.

So ofcourse by the time everyone was level 18 i was level 15 and hardly got 4 items because they ate all of my farm and while in same time they was still trash talk and even garen asked in all chat "Report that toxic wukong " While both of my mid and support can confirm that i said nothing at all almost all game.

After that we lost game cause we all was ad and i mostly was complete out of game due to level difference and items difference.

Honestly such players won't get banned and i reported them, but i know they won't get banned so i deal with such players ?

Nothing you can do. These are the types of games Riot wants you to experience. Or... actually they were hoping you would defend yourself so they could say, "you should just ignore them, you can only control your behavior, two wrongs don't make a right, etc..." so we are keeping your account banned. Learn from this.

God I hate them right now lol

ValiantKillerApr 21, 20181 votes

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Nothing you can do. These are the types of games Riot wants you to experience. Or... actually they were hoping you would defend yourself so they could say, "you should just ignore them, you can only control your behavior, two wrongs don't make a right, etc..." so we are keeping your account banned. Learn from this.

God I hate them right now lol

To be honest i did feel like both of them special garen when he said " Wukong is weak af champion, no brust, no tanky, nothing ,etc " he trying to trigger me to go toxic on him and say the same stuff about this champion. it just sad .