Honestly as top laner i'm sick of playing against Vayne, so sick of this BS

ValiantKiller·Apr 8, 2019·67 votes·17,086 views

That cancer needed to be nerfed, she destroy almost all top laners and scale like monster for no reason.

The hell is that hell we got to deal with every game?

87 Comments

Crispy0SnakeApr 8, 20199 votes

I ban Vayne every game now. ADC or top... it's just disgusting

Just buys Vamp scepter and then she's just untouchable

I think her base hp should be lower, just to make her more vulnerable, because even if your jungler ganks she'll kite, lifesteal, maybe get triumph and double kill. The champ needs to be more fragile

mack9112Apr 8, 20196 votes

One gank and her top lane is over.

ValiantKillerApr 8, 201928 votes

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One gank and her top lane is over.

Sure sure

Blu 1Apr 8, 20195 votes

just permaban her ass

ValiantKillerApr 8, 20199 votes

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just permaban her ass

PermanBan Balance team

The BeholderApr 9, 20191 votes

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just permaban her ass

Then you get fucked by champs like Urgot, or irelia, or...well, you get the idea.

Minimac2000Apr 8, 20195 votes

Same, but I can't ban her bc Kayle and Riven exist. Ughhh

ValiantKillerApr 8, 20191 votes

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Same, but I can't ban her bc and exist. Ughhh

I know right ? Like every game i wish someone banned riven, vayne and jax for me

ElewdApr 9, 20193 votes

thats how i feel in midlane for Yasuo Zed and Fizz

OrbvApr 9, 20191 votes

I don't know how Yasuo and/or Zed always get through. It's like people don't like to increase their odds of winning.

ElewdApr 10, 20191 votes

because unless you play mid you dont find them frustrating except when they get fed, i personally think Yasuo is ok, frustrating, but ok. Zed is a piece of shit tho and im ready for him to get harder with the nerfbat than Eve did when she lost her stun, base stats and scaling.

HammermancerApr 8, 20194 votes

I think what most people want is for every top lane champion to actually be replaced with vayne.. like fully replaced i mean. So if you want to play nasus, you select nasus and instead you get vayne

wouldn't the be the best?

ValiantKillerApr 8, 20199 votes

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I think what most people want is for every top lane champion to actually be replaced with vayne.. like fully replaced i mean. So if you want to play nasus, you select nasus and instead you get vayne

wouldn't the be the best?

Yah

HammermancerApr 8, 20192 votes

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Yah

[vayne-pose]

Sir SaltarinApr 8, 20193 votes

At least on Toplane she has hard counters

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Vayne/Top/

While on Botlane:

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Vayne/ADC/

Daddy AntsApr 8, 20192 votes

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At least on Toplane she has hard counters

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Vayne/Top/

While on Botlane:

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Vayne/ADC/

While we're talking about lack of hard counters

Let me present

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Jinx/ADC/

Sir SaltarinApr 8, 20193 votes

Actually Jinx by design does have counters, but all counters go away as real counters when a champ acumulates as many buffs as Jinx has.

So yes, she should be tunned down too, and Jinx it's a simple champ that's strong for number issues, she's not Azir Ayaytrox, Riot can number nerf her and she is balanced again easily.

RavenhaleApr 8, 20192 votes

Take away the crit on rockets. Cuts her safety range a bit and her damage.

Sir SaltarinApr 8, 20196 votes

Those are not number nerfs, the ones you are suggesting are design changes that are not needed to Jinx.

Thanks godness the Gameplay Boards doesn't balance the game or all champs would be gutted

RavenhaleApr 8, 20194 votes

You don't know buff history. It was something that was added, that did not need to be added.

V8.13 Switcheroo! Switcheroo! NEW EFFECT: The 10% AD bonus damage from Fishbones can now critically strike.

Though I should correct my statement in that this buff was not needed.

MessyStuffApr 10, 20192 votes

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You don't know buff history. It was something that was added, that did not need to be added.

V8.13 Switcheroo! Switcheroo! NEW EFFECT: The 10% AD bonus damage from Fishbones can now critically strike.

Though I should correct my statement in that this buff was not needed.

Ok, but that buff was something different. It says the bonus damage will crit. It doesn't mean the rockets itself will not crit.

RavenhaleApr 10, 20191 votes

Yea, I was thinking about that, though that buff came back when people were calling Jinx "Junks" because she was not the best ADC. That was also around the time that they bug fixed her rockets as they weren't properly working with Hurricane (something about not doing the proper damage). [Oof, that was 7.15, a whole year before, so I guess not the same time at all.]

If we are talking about simply tuning down a few numbers, this would be a worthy start before doing anything drastic like hitting her base AD.

Death by GlamourApr 8, 20197 votes

It shows how strong she is when she has a positive (if only by 0.3%) winrate vs draven

Critmaster GarenApr 8, 201916 votes

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At least on Toplane she has hard counters

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Vayne/Top/

i absolutely dont buy it.

garen is listed there, this means something is off. at no stage of the game can garen ever fight vayne on his own.

even if you get jungle ganks and kills on her as a result, you never get into the position where youre able to fight her. no gold or level advantage can help you, simply since her kit and yours doesnt allow it.

literally all she has to do is sit on her e and not use it on a minion or some entirely unrealistic shit, and you will never ever be able to make a play on her with garen.

MetalGearTeemoApr 8, 20195 votes

Actually that field is listing the people whom vayne hard counters. which is absolutely true. Garen has nothing against her in a top lane situation since she has both mobility and a knockback, meaning you're never going to stick to a vayne unless she outplays herself.

The field below headlined by Panth and Teemo are her listed counters, and believable ones at that, though both these characters are MASSIVELY gankable, meaning all vayne needs is a jungle gank to go off the chains anyway.

Critmaster GarenApr 8, 20194 votes

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Actually that field is listing the people whom vayne hard counters. which is absolutely true. Garen has nothing against her in a top lane situation since she has both mobility and a knockback, meaning you're never going to stick to a vayne unless she outplays herself.

The field below headlined by Panth and Teemo are her listed counters, and believable ones at that, though both these characters are MASSIVELY gankable, meaning all vayne needs is a jungle gank to go off the chains anyway.

oh yea, i misread. its actually disgusting how hard she counters certain champions.

Doge2020Apr 8, 20191 votes

Yeah but sadly those same champs that are hard countered by vayne ( Garen) are also hard countered by most/all of the other ranged top laners like Quinn and teemo. I think that the issue for vayne is to not only nerf her to make her less viable in top, but to also buff the champs she counters so she is a more stable pick top.

Dokueki KenshinApr 8, 20192 votes

Honestly, I’d do two things to balance her:

A.) Nerf the scaling of her true damage, hard. Either make the base damage much lower and make it scale with AD OR replace it entirely with flat damage instead of % damage.

B.) Jack up condemns cooldown by two seconds at all ranks.

MerrrrsApr 8, 20191 votes

Opinions like yours is why Riot is damn near bankrupt. Vayne is just fine the way she is. You should learn to play against her better.

Sir SaltarinApr 9, 20193 votes

No, she isn't fine, she should be countered by MF and Draven not be even, some ppl here will overreact and ask for Vayne to be deleted or gutted but regardless of that she needs to get some kind of nerfs

Sir SaltarinApr 8, 201911 votes

garen is listed there, this means something is off. at no stage of the game can garen ever fight vayne on his own.

You are right, that's why the link that I've posted says that Vayne megacounters Garen, and on the same way Vayne is megacountered by Pantheon.

I think that you just readed it the other way, simple mistake, happens to all.

As we can see Vayne on Toplane has huge counterpicks but also hard smashes against other picks, and that's one of the reasons why she's way more frustrating on Toplane I think.

Anyway, overall she is too strong, it shouldn't be that Vayne has a 50% winrate against MF what the hell is going on, same goes for Draven, those were the ADCs that used to smash her and now it's an even lane.

She needs to be tunned down, we both agree there I think, I know we disagree in how should Vayne be nerfed, but that's other story.

ProfDrDeathApr 10, 20191 votes

She needs to be tunned down, we both agree there I think, I know we disagree in how should Vayne be nerfed, but that's other story.

How do you think she should be nerfed, then?

My personal view:

Either remove Phantom Hit outright (that mechanic is simply warping the game around its existence) or make Silver Bolts (or even all X-hit passives) work on-attack instead of on-hit. Reassess where the game and Vayne stand afterwards. If Phantom Hit was removed, some other champions who were, over the years, balanced around it will probably need buffs. For instance, Kog'Maw, Varus, Kai'Sa and Master Yi.

MerrrrsApr 8, 20192 votes

There are ways to counter that - you're Garen, why wouldn't you have QSS anyways? stop blaming and learn to build. With your logic, Faker should get destroyed by a Bronze Vayne player if he's Garen right? I mean, there's nooothing you can do against her right?

Critmaster GarenApr 8, 201913 votes

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There are ways to counter that - you're Garen, why wouldn't you have QSS anyways? stop blaming and learn to build. With your logic, Faker should get destroyed by a Bronze Vayne player if he's Garen right? I mean, there's nooothing you can do against her right?

im not sure this is sarcasm.

just in case it isnt, qss doesnt negate displacements. its not the stun that makes you lose the matchup, but the fact that you have to get into melee range of her twice before you can fight her, on a relatively slow champion. by the time youd make it, youre already dead.

and a bronze vayne will just tumble into you or do some other dumb shit. if we assume, that his opponent isnt eating glue, then yes. faker would lose on garen against a vayne whos just not completely trash. because there is a limit to what the champion allows you to do. you can be a godlike garen main, and will still lose to a mediocre vayne in a direct matchup simply because you dont have the tools available to fight her, and you cant itemize against her.

vayne doesnt have counterplay. she isnt outplayable. the only thing you can do is outpick her. if youre playing the "wrong" champion against her, youre just screwed.

Ahri BakaApr 8, 20193 votes

She is sure cancer but Wukong is a good pick against her

ValiantKillerApr 8, 20192 votes

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She is sure cancer but Wukong is a good pick against her

He is but still she pure cancer and if she had a good gank on her side once, that enough to snowball her

GalaxyburstzApr 8, 20193 votes

I think that the first step forward that Riot should do should be along the lines of removing Vayne & Teemo from the top lane champion suggestions

Second would be to lower Teemos Q damage and blind duration, because for a top lane ~~cancer~~ bully he does quite a bit of damage

ValiantKillerApr 8, 20196 votes

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I think that the first step forward that Riot should do should be along the lines of removing Vayne & Teemo and from the top lane champion suggestions

Second would be to lower Teemos Q damage and blind duration, because for a top lane ~~cancer~~ bully he does quite a bit of damage

Kennen ohhh hi

GalaxyburstzApr 8, 20192 votes

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ohhh hi

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-i-forgot-red-power-ranger-green-power-ranger-gif-8819556

Sir SaltarinApr 9, 20195 votes

I can make it worse: Vladimir

ValiantKillerApr 9, 20193 votes

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I can make it worse:

Urgot Yorick destroy him, not big deal like others

Sir SaltarinApr 9, 20195 votes

The thing is that I dont play against Vladimir in lane lol, I play ADC and suddenly a Vladimir comes and one shots me through his pool and Zhonyas because my toplaner feeded him.

Nah, that was an exaggeration, he doesn't need to be feed to do that

ValiantKillerApr 9, 20193 votes

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The thing is that I dont play against Vladimir in lane lol, I play ADC and suddenly a Vladimir comes and one shots me through his pool and Zhonyas because my toplaner feeded him.

Nah, that was an exaggeration, he doesn't need to be feed to do that

That is true

FSRERApr 9, 20192 votes

Personaly, at toplane i play jax and renekton as my mains so I don't really have a problem vs her. But that does not mean she is not overpowered. At botlane I play, main basically, Jhin. Jhin is...let's just say weak at the early game. I had infinity and firecannon and vayne had a bork. She killed me very, very easily with her ult while I couldn't do anything and when I see the death recap I saw 490 true damage while my max hp was 1100! What the actuall fuck. I know she had points on that ability but still...wtf

ValiantKillerApr 9, 20192 votes

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Personaly, at toplane i play jax and renekton as my mains so I don't really have a problem vs her. But that does not mean she is not overpowered. At botlane I play, main basically, Jhin. Jhin is...let's just say weak at the early game. I had infinity and firecannon and vayne had a bork. She killed me very, very easily with her ult while I couldn't do anything and when I see the death recap I saw 490 true damage while my max hp was 1100! What the actuall fuck. I know she had points on that ability but still...wtf

Pta,bork, 3 points on w make her assassin more than adc, thank riot

The BeholderApr 9, 20194 votes

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Pta,bork, 3 points on w make her assassin more than adc, thank riot

tristana laughs in distance as she e-w-q you and you die in half a sec

MessyStuffApr 10, 20191 votes

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Personaly, at toplane i play jax and renekton as my mains so I don't really have a problem vs her. But that does not mean she is not overpowered. At botlane I play, main basically, Jhin. Jhin is...let's just say weak at the early game. I had infinity and firecannon and vayne had a bork. She killed me very, very easily with her ult while I couldn't do anything and when I see the death recap I saw 490 true damage while my max hp was 1100! What the actuall fuck. I know she had points on that ability but still...wtf

The reason she had 490 true damage is that it adds all the damage together from all w procs.

FSRERApr 10, 20191 votes

If i remember right, I died in 8 shots from her, so that was 2 stacks, doing 245 each, on a 1100 max health target. Still busted as fuck

Neptunia xoxoApr 9, 20191 votes

Remove Rageblade btw

MessyStuffApr 10, 20192 votes

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Remove Rageblade btw

Only Vayne abuses it. It's not like Varus and Kog'Maw need even more nerfs.