If the enemy laner came to help the enemy jg with the crab and you didn't respond to my pings of help, Don't even ask for gank or counter gank cause you let me lose two crabs and lead exp enough to put me 2 levels behind. Thank you.
The Bearded Bard15 votesOkay but a message from mid lane to you, jungler: stop expecting me, a mana hungry, immobile mid/late game mage to be able to roam as fast as their low mana cost high mobility assassin.
Know your team's ability, make decisions based off of it.
BALDG1VEN BOOMER14 votesNo problem, laners asked for laners to determine their lane not you.
Bigrig10745 votesExcept when the enemy jungler shows up two levels ahead of even you (which is what they tried to stop btw) and kills you.
THEN it’s the junglers fault, right?
BALDG1VEN BOOMER8 votesSays who? If you die to a gank you’re bad. Especially when you know your own jungler can’t respond.
Bigrig10736 votes“If you die to a gank you’re bad” well shit I guess everyone who’s ever played the game ever is bad at the game then. Damn.
BALDG1VEN BOOMER12 votesIf you die to a gank especially when you know your own jungler can’t respond yes that’s not his fault.
You got punished.
Kharlon2 votesso instead he plays safe, possibly giving up CS if the enemy freezes by their turret, giving their mid an advantage to the point they can push/dive/kill you under turret.
BALDG1VEN BOOMER2 votesThere’s no way you’re getting dove at your tier two unless the entire map lost.
Terozu3 votesDo you even know that champs like Kat and Leblanc exist?
BALDG1VEN BOOMER2 votesLeBlanc is pretty much perma at this point and Kat isn’t a proficient diver unless you fed her.
Suicidal Maniac3 votesWhich according to your match history, you seem to do a lot
BALDG1VEN BOOMER1 votesI’ve been messing around in normals having fun, if that was ranked then I’d take the game more serious.
Suicidal Maniac4 votesBuddy your ranked winrate says differently
FishbonesOrFeed2 votesEver heard of akali with revolver? or zed level 6
Daunt4 votesYou're doing something wrong if Kat is able to dive you and live through it.
Terozu1 votesKat can W, dive you, then jump out without the turret touching her.
Daunt1 votesAre we forgetting that she has a 3 second cooldown on her E even if she picks up her dagger before level 6? Even after, until like level 11 it doesn't become fast enough and by that time the laning phase is over anyways.
Terozu1 votesW.
Run under turret.
Throw dagger.
Shunpo out before ot hits.
It's one of her most basic poke tricks in an offensive lane.
Daunt1 votes?????? First you're talking about dives and now you're talking about poking. Those are 2 different things buddy. Even so, that's a very poor usage of her abilities and it hurts her lane if you're looking at it from a bigger picture. I'm just surprised that a squishy melee champion is ever in position during the lane to be able to poke you under your turret.
Terozu1 votesKatarina has very quick wave clear and is often pushed under the enemy tower in bronze/silver level.
Dive poking is still diving.
Daunt1 votesPoking - Chipping the enemies hp little by little over time Diving - Going for an all in under the enemies turret
Katarina's wave clear doesn't become good until you get some levels on her and even then literally any mage can keep up with it and punish her in the process since she has to give up range in order to clear the wave. And if she continuously shoves waves and stays in lane, she's just gonna get ganked. I don't see how it's relevant what happens in bronze or silver if it's known that those players are bad and don't understand how to play the lane. Your goal as a mage is to use your range as an advantage to create advantages such as cs leads, shoving her in early and punish her with one sided trades since she's a melee champion.
bot lane sucks1 votesidk how that comment has -25 he isnt wrong lmfao most these people play norms for 8 hours a day thinking they know everything about this game. its truly disgusting
BALDG1VEN BOOMER1 votesYou figured it be common sense to not to overextend or make a proactive play when your jungler can’t respond, but that’s none of my business.
Daunt1 votes...well yes. Dying is essentially a mistake, and everyone makes them. 99% of the time there was a different thing you could've done to change a certain outcome.
HarrisonOwns3 votesLol listen to this bronzie
BALDG1VEN BOOMER2 votesDamn a board smurf who’s unranked, got me there bro.
HarrisonOwns2 votesEveryone's been getting you for hours. Your logic is bad and you should feel bad.
BALDG1VEN BOOMER2 votesGood reasons btw, if you can’t hold a proper debate don’t even comment.
Hethalean6 votesThat's part of laning though. Interaction with the jungler. If your jungler is 2 levels behind, expect to have it affect you negatively. Same exact thing with roams too.
ValiantKiller1 votesThat's part of laning though. Interaction with the jungler. If your jungler is 2 levels behind, expect to have it affect you negatively. Same exact thing with roams too.
Like today, lux didn't even move to help me when zed came twice to help his jg and i told her i won't be able to gank cause of that, she said it's fine. And yah zed win the game with 9-1 score and she was 2-6, so yah.
Salson10 votesActually that one was on you. You shouldn't try to 2v2 if you have Lux and they have Zed.
Now if your Talon doesn't help you when they have Ryze, it's his fault.
You're going to have to learn lane matchups if you want to succeed in the following days.
ValiantKiller1 votesActually that one was on you. You shouldn't try to 2v2 if you have Lux and they have Zed.
Now if your Talon doesn't help you when they have Ryze, it's his fault.
You're going to have to learn lane matchups if you want to succeed in the following days.
And who said i did try to 2v2 ? Did you read my message well ? Nope it seem. It clearly say if you won't try to help me with my crabs, don't ask for "ganks" or "counterganks " cause i would be 2 level behind. I never said i did try to 2v2 and lost it, i said it i lose the exp of crab everytime zed showing up and lux not which lead me to lose all lead exp and make it hard to gank.
Salson3 votesThe question is, did you even waste time on it? If it's Lux vs Zed, either try to play into Top, where you can have Riven vs GP for instance, or do a full clear. Looking at them and pinging your laner is a waste of your time, and it sounds like that's exactly what you did.
ValiantKiller2 votesThe question is, did you even waste time on it? If it's Lux vs Zed, either try to play into Top, where you can have Riven vs GP for instance, or do a full clear. Looking at them and pinging your laner is a waste of your time, and it sounds like that's exactly what you did.
I didn't waste time on it and moved to clear wolves then to red direction.
Radiant Wukong1 votesA Lux should never follow a Zed out of lane.
ValiantKiller1 votes[{quoted}](name=Radiant Wukong,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5effmRXr,comment-id=0000000100000001,timestamp=2018-05-18T01:06:26.509+0000)
A Lux should never follow a Zed out of lane.
then he shouldn't pick lux in that meta, easy as that.
Terozu2 votesOkay, so you go the ap champ.
Bigrig1073 votesThe problem here being there’s enough XP in scuttlecrabs alone to easily dictate two levels either way.
If you as a solo laner don’t respond when your lane opponent leaves to help with scuttle and your jungle asks for help, you shouldn’t complain too much.
Now, this is more of an issue with the jungle changes and not the laners itself unfortunately. But that’s a different issue.
Hethalean4 votesAgreed. Scuttle is worth too much I think. Or maybe we just need to adjust to the scuttle is just a moving camp in the river that provides a lot of vision.
Salson2 votesTbh the interaction was rather Batman and Robin like , with jungler being the Batman.
The current situation suits laners, as they are the ones who dictate what their jungler can or can't contest. They're now the Batman to their junglers Robin.
koshkyra11 votesif you are willing to let one of your lanes lose for free bc of a grudge against them kindly dont play jungle
ValiantKiller9 votesif you are willing to let one of your lanes lose for free bc of a grudge against them kindly dont play jungle
Willing to lose ? What i can do when zed is level6, lux level6 while i'm stuck at level4 and rammus almost level6 ? Nothing, you don't get it seem.
Naymliss3 votesDefine nothing. If you're against a lux as a level 4 elise and have vision on rammus in his jg, a stun and a little damage will suffice to get zed a kill and you experience.
Jaygo416 votesNo see it's the jungler's fault when you get ganked but if you don't help them in their jungle it's "what the hell are you doing there" or "the wave was at my turret"
Brain Errör 4043 votesTo my jungler (from last game btw):
If I DO come and HELP you get scuttle crab. Then, I expect you to HELP me out when I ping. Instead, you come to my lane (late, btw), I die and then you not only fast shove, but proxy another wave. What then happens, (wukong vs tryn btw) is the enemy laner (hard counter, btw) is now ahead of me in exp and has a level above me.
Oh, don't forget the THREE kills I spoon fed you, btw. And you STILL clear my creeps after I give you all the kills (which, you mostly stole, btw). Then when I get angry and start spam pinging you, don't respond with "I only take it, cuz you ping too much". I'm sorry, would you rather me call you a fucktarded dumbass, instead of playing nice and communicating with pings?
So, you keep screwing me over and then not coming to help out, and I get upset trust me when I say -- I have every right to be mad. This goes both ways. Help your team, your team will mostly help you. But what happens MOST games is, I help my jungler (leaving ALL of my creeps, taking a hit for exp just to help your dumbass, who decided to do a full clear vs a heavy invade champ and then leave me out to dry) and they never do the same.
Kilanost4 votes[{quoted}](name=Brain Errör 404,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5effmRXr,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-05-17T21:02:21.411+0000)
To my jungler (from last game btw):
If I DO come and HELP you get scuttle crab. Then, I expect you to HELP me out when I ping. Instead, you come to my lane (late, btw), I die and then you not only fast shove, but proxy another wave. What then happens, (wukong vs tryn btw) is the enemy laner (hard counter, btw) is now ahead of me in exp and has a level above me.
Oh, don't forget the THREE kills I spoon fed you, btw. And you STILL clear my creeps after I give you all the kills (which, you mostly stole, btw). Then when I get angry and start spam pinging you, don't respond with "I only take it, cuz you ping too much". I'm sorry, would you rather me call you a fucktarded dumbass, instead of playing nice and communicating with pings?
So, you keep screwing me over and then not coming to help out, and I get upset trust me when I say -- I have every right to be mad. This goes both ways. Help your team, your team will mostly help you. But what happens MOST games is, I help my jungler (leaving ALL of my creeps, taking a hit for exp just to help your dumbass, who decided to do a full clear vs a heavy invade champ and then leave me out to dry) and they never do the same.
That hard shove and proxy is literally the best thing he could have done for you as long as your wave crashed into the enemy turret. Otherwise you're looking at a frozen lane at the enemy turret when ur already behind. With what ur jungler did, you can freeze at ur own turret and try to set up for a gank.
Also spoon fed the jungler kills? If the jungler is involved there's a good chance you needed him for those kills in the first place especially if you were getting your ass handed to you in lane which is the picture you've clearly painted for us here. What makes you think that you, being under leveled and under farmed, have any right to say you spoon fed anyone a kill?
Velasan3 votesFeel like everyone in this thread is just blaming everyone else for playing their preferred role. They didn't make the scuttle crab changes though. I both jg and mid and I can tell you right now I'm not enjoying it as either role.
As a jungler I would rather get my buffs or find the enemy jg or gank somewhere. I don't want to compete over a moving jg camp on river that almost guarantees multiple people to show up out of fog of war to contest it.
FilDaFunk3 votesLanes may need ganks to win the game. Swallow your anger.
Crede7773 votesJust like how a laner shouldn't expect a gank if he has pushed his opponent under tower, if the laner is pushed under his own tower the jungler shouldn't expect him to follow his opponent to scuttle.
Scuttle is only really available if your laner has priority.
Although now if the jungler ganks and you guys get a kill, instead of pushing the lane you should both probably go do scuttle.
ValiantKiller2 votesJust like how a laner shouldn't expect a gank if he has pushed his opponent under tower, if the laner is pushed under his own tower the jungler shouldn't expect him to follow his opponent to scuttle.
Scuttle is only really available if your laner has priority.
Although now if the jungler ganks and you guys get a kill, instead of pushing the lane you should both probably go do scuttle.
I agree on the second part when we get a kill, but today i had a garen top that just keep eating top side crap while he saw me lost the bot side one cause it was 2v1 since my mid couldn't come. The guy took the crap then blamed me for not being in the same level as my enemy jg.