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You know i don't care about this Yoirck nerfs but it show something funny about Riot logic

ValiantKiller··71 votes·16,562 views

They would rather wait till they see how the Conquer nerfs would affect Riven before nerfing her. Yet in same time they won't wait with Yorick nerfs and they going to direct nerf him.

Legit that logic was done over and over with many champions , why you always biased toward some champions and rather wait to see how indirect nerfs would affect them while other just get direct nerf ? I want a reasonable answer really and yes in long term Riven out performance Yorick in pick number, win rate and late game carry .

Edited: for everyone that saying riven got broken cause Conquer, no it not cause of that. she was always broken and op but was sleeper op cause champions like Urgot and Aatrox had power to silent the cancer before it spread but that was before getting gutted. And that is the reason she wasn't function well early game to scale but since they are gone now she shows her broken side and sames goes for Kled he is sleeper op that will shine with the remove of Riven

They killed champions cause pro play and now other sleeper op champions will take over game cause it simple cycle.

76 Comments

Lovelle51 votes

You already know the answer, Riven is a more profitable champion than Yorick. They've been balancing this way for years.

ValiantKiller24 votes

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You already know the answer, Riven is a more profitable champion than Yorick. They've been balancing this way for years.

I know they gutted wukong in same patch when they want to nerf damage runes then they removed item 3095 power that used to be abuse on wukong and now he in gutted level. Same goes for my Urgot but yah let's keep the cancer Riven and Yasuo alive to make their people happy.

Glaricion3 votes

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I know they gutted wukong in same patch when they want to nerf damage runes then they removed item 3095 power that used to be abuse on wukong and now he in gutted level.

Wu really is the exception to the rule. He's supposedly extremely popular in China, yet he's in this weird "useless until mid-game, insta-gib squishies post-20" toxic position.

Hopefully he gets a lighter rework so that he's more of a trickster bruiser rather than this weird assassin that's a waste of potential that we have right now.

Cloud2735 votes

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I know they gutted wukong in same patch when they want to nerf damage runes then they removed item 3095 power that used to be abuse on wukong and now he in gutted level. Same goes for my Urgot but yah let's keep the cancer Riven and Yasuo alive to make their people happy.

Riven has 9 skins in the shop. Yorick only has 3. If Riven gets nerfed that means there will be less people interested in those skins.

ValiantKiller3 votes

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Riven has 9 skins in the shop. Yorick only has 3. If Riven gets nerfed that means there will be less people interested in those skins.

Yah yah, money money over balance balance

The Skáld1 votes

They buffed Yasuo when crit items changed, just for "balance" him. and after a while crit items reversed back, but they nerfed Yasuo about 1/4 of the buff. OMEGALUL

Critmaster Garen37 votes

meanwhile Vayne isnt even talked about by riot even though she beats them both in winrate, pickrate and ban rate for an entire month.

kek.

maybe in another 2 month they nerf tumble by 5 and increase her w to 20% health true damage or some shit, while coincidentally releasing another skin for her.

Jaspers9 votes

There is a difference. Yorick is actually getting pros picks and bans... for the first time ever. They can't have a boring champ like Yorick in pros they need flashy like Vayne or Riven but they aren't played. Plus Vayne has a skin to sell. :P

ValiantKiller9 votes

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There is a difference. Yorick is actually getting pros picks and bans... for the first time ever. They can't have a boring champ like Yorick in pros they need flashy like Vayne or Riven but they aren't played. Plus Vayne has a skin to sell. :P

That why they nerfed Urgot, cause pro play

SpiritOfOdysseus3 votes

But one could argue that Urgot does take skill... As long as he doesn't hard counter his lane opponent where all he needs to do Is faceroll. Still that's how 99% of hard counters work regardless

ValiantKiller3 votes

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But one could argue that Urgot does take skill... As long as he doesn't hard counter his lane opponent where all he needs to do Is faceroll. Still that's how 99% of hard counters work regardless

Dude they legit said they nerfing him cause of pro play, nothing to say here. His first nerfs wave did nerf him in solo queue well but wasn't enough to put him down in pro play, so it done for him to be Ryze and Azir v2

LatetotheRace1 votes

Dev corner, they're saying the same thing. "let's see how this plays out"

0 Hogapu8 votes

  • they directly buffed Yorick, which broke him

  • they indirectly buffed Riven, which broke her

I let you think on why they directly nerf Yorick and indirectly nerf Riven

ValiantKiller1 votes

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  • they directly buffed Yorick, which broke him

  • they indirectly buffed Riven, which broke her

I let you think on why they directly nerf Yorick and indirectly nerf Riven

That indirect buffs to riven you say was direct, they legit mention her name atleast twice before they give us the new Conquer and item 3161 they know they will broke her.

y0r1ck2 votes

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That indirect buffs to riven you say was direct, they legit mention her name atleast twice before they give us the new Conquer and item 3161 they know they will broke her.

Yorick level 6 was clearly too strong so they nerfed it. I don't see an issue.

SomeOneButNoOne2 votes

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Yorick level 6 was clearly too strong so they nerfed it. I don't see an issue.

True.

Riven level 6 is clearly too strong for 2 years now. Where's that nerf?

y0r1ck3 votes

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True.

Riven level 6 is clearly too strong for 2 years now. Where's that nerf?

Riven 6 isnt as strong as yorick 6.

0 Hogapu3 votes

they might have mentionned Riven, and yeah so what ?

They're nerfing Conqueror for EVERY champion, and Conqueror + Shojin are the reason Riven is broken (she has never been an issue for let's say 6 months)

So no, we won't gut her just like this "because she is so unfun to play against omgomg"

Yeah she is too strong, and in every single patch there is at least one champion that breaks the game. Now it's Riven and Yorick, they both get nerfs next patch.

Saianna5 votes

Also funny:

Riot: This mage is too strong, nerf his R for 20% or more immidiately without testing! Also Riot: this ADC might not be too good if we nerf him, lets try out waters first "-3AD at level 18"

SuicidePlank1 votes

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Also funny:

Riot: This mage is too strong, nerf his R for 20% or more immidiately without testing! Also Riot: this ADC might not be too good if we nerf him, lets try out waters first "-3AD at level 18"

Neither Mages and ADCs, nor their Items get big nerfs. Just look at the Karthus nerfs, waw 10 DMG less on his Q and around 100 less on his R.

Minimac20003 votes

100 damage off on his r that hits 5 people.... so he just lost 500 damage for every time he ults, seems like quite a bit to me

Sir Saltarin3 votes

You know that this nerf didn't happened right ?

Lmao, mage apologists on the Gameplay Boards need to make up imaginary nerfs so it fits their narrative

Sir Saltarin8 votes

Mages good.

ADCs bad.

Gameplay Boards peak right here.

Saianna2 votes

I'm not hiding with my bias towards mages. They were the bunch kicked in the butt quite alot. And when I mention mages, it's usually Riots hypocritical way of handling different classes. This favouritism is pissing me off.

BambooWorld1 votes

and whatchu going to do about it?

OneMustFall5 votes

I don't see what's so difficult to grasp about them nerfing Yorick and not Riven. Yorick's ult is extremely oppressive to the point where it can instantly force you out of lane. Now Yorick doesn't have to worry when he uses it either cause it follows him around. Yorick's ult needed nerfs regardless of what happens with Conqueror because Yorick's power did not come from Conqueror to start with.

This is evidenced by Yorick's winrate staying around the same regardless of what Keystone he chooses. Meanwhile Riven's winrate plummets when she picks anything but Conqueror.

Vlada Cut3 votes

Champion Favoritism. Once the addiction to it starts there's no coming back my boy.

Ηuawei3 votes

You forgot Yasuo.

The poster child of Rito games.

Illabethe2 votes

Riven doesn't have near the tools and oppressive nature Yorick does.

All you have to do with her: Stay out of range of Q, or have a shield ready. Burn through her shields, CC her.

Yorick: Get grievous wounds, deal with up to 9 minions at once (normally 5, unless Yorick casts Q, and then casts R) who take reduced aoe damage, and only instantly die if you auto attack them, deal with a barrier you have to auto attack or dash out of, who all do two different types of damage, who if left unopposed can take 3 turrets in 40 seconds.

Extremely different use of power.

ValiantKiller13 votes

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Riven doesn't have near the tools and oppressive nature Yorick does.

All you have to do with her: Stay out of range of Q, or have a shield ready. Burn through her shields, CC her.

Yorick: Get grievous wounds, deal with up to 9 minions at once (normally 5, unless Yorick casts Q, and then casts R) who take reduced aoe damage, and only instantly die if you auto attack them, deal with a barrier you have to auto attack or dash out of, who all do two different types of damage, who if left unopposed can take 3 turrets in 40 seconds.

Extremely different use of power.

Sure it doesn't when i see with item 3161 spamming her dumb cancer shield plus her aoe stun + knockup + he damage like URF.

Just get real and stop defending her

Illabethe9 votes

Not defending her. But the point remains that she's far easier to deal with than Yorick is. As long as you aren't some melee range with no ranged skill features, or can work through low duration CC, Riven is still okay to deal with. I can kill her with mages.

Yorick's just hard to kill for everyone, due to how many different things you have to deal with vs him.

P.S. Jax is far more toxic than Riven with Shojin's.....

Moonscourge5 votes

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Not defending her. But the point remains that she's far easier to deal with than Yorick is. As long as you aren't some melee range with no ranged skill features, or can work through low duration CC, Riven is still okay to deal with. I can kill her with mages.

Yorick's just hard to kill for everyone, due to how many different things you have to deal with vs him.

P.S. Jax is far more toxic than Riven with Shojin's.....

I want to second this.

Yorick was absolutely overwhelming and not only because of Conqueror. Riven is strong for a while now, but far less oppressive compared to him.

Crescent Dusk2 votes

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I want to second this.

Yorick was absolutely overwhelming and not only because of Conqueror. Riven is strong for a while now, but far less oppressive compared to him.

What's oppressive about him. You literally play aggressive early and punish any grave he tries to set up and he'll die to an all-in.

Irelia, Fiora, Riven, Darius, all early aggressive top laners shit on him if you don't just sit on your thumbs and let him get to lv2-3 without taking heavy damage.

y0r1ck1 votes

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What's oppressive about him. You literally play aggressive early and punish any grave he tries to set up and he'll die to an all-in.

Irelia, Fiora, Riven, Darius, all early aggressive top laners shit on him if you don't just sit on your thumbs and let him get to lv2-3 without taking heavy damage.

Even if you're playing something that isn't going to get kills early, you should still be hitting him at level 1 and 2.

Yara03 votes

Jax has been toxic for a long time. any champ that does a shit load of burst while being safe i hate.

kingDeDeDarius1 votes

While I disagree with your portrayal of riven, that sounds about right with Yorick lol

Illabethe1 votes

What's wrong with my portrayal Is simply that I'm not speaking from the perspective of champions she hard counters even without Shojin's: Melee kits who have no real way to stand toe to toe with knockups, shields, Auto attack resets/root.

I'm not sympathetic to that cause. Every champ has categories they counter.

Iota Theta1 votes

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Riven doesn't have near the tools and oppressive nature Yorick does.

All you have to do with her: Stay out of range of Q, or have a shield ready. Burn through her shields, CC her.

Yorick: Get grievous wounds, deal with up to 9 minions at once (normally 5, unless Yorick casts Q, and then casts R) who take reduced aoe damage, and only instantly die if you auto attack them, deal with a barrier you have to auto attack or dash out of, who all do two different types of damage, who if left unopposed can take 3 turrets in 40 seconds.

Extremely different use of power.

Fun fact, kill the maiden asap. Makes fighting him mich more bearable.

That and...he can only have 4 minions at any time near him. If he has any from Last Rites, then ults, those die and he gains 4 new ones. Stop spreading this misinformation.

y0r1ck1 votes

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Fun fact, kill the maiden asap. Makes fighting him mich more bearable.

That and...he can only have 4 minions at any time near him. If he has any from Last Rites, then ults, those die and he gains 4 new ones. Stop spreading this misinformation.

There is a combo you can get with yorick. Have 4 ghouls pushing, and keep 4 graves and your ult ready. Land your e, and summon wave after wave of ghouls within 4 seconds to get a max of 12--16 ghouls (16 only happens if you get another 4 graves within 4 seconds, rare but possible). Of course each ghoul dies when you summon the next, but jump damage from 12 ghouls is a lot. And the opponent probably wasted his shield dealing with the first wave.

Iota Theta1 votes

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There is a combo you can get with yorick. Have 4 ghouls pushing, and keep 4 graves and your ult ready. Land your e, and summon wave after wave of ghouls within 4 seconds to get a max of 12--16 ghouls (16 only happens if you get another 4 graves within 4 seconds, rare but possible). Of course each ghoul dies when you summon the next, but jump damage from 12 ghouls is a lot. And the opponent probably wasted his shield dealing with the first wave.

Isn’t there a delay with the ghouls rising before they actually do anything, which soaks up E’s mark timer?

Even then, this seems like not the easiest combo to pull off, sounding like you need perfect conditions and near perfect timing. This is the first I’ve heard of such a combo.

y0r1ck1 votes

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Isn’t there a delay with the ghouls rising before they actually do anything, which soaks up E’s mark timer?

Even then, this seems like not the easiest combo to pull off, sounding like you need perfect conditions and near perfect timing. This is the first I’ve heard of such a combo.

Yes it's really hard to do, and probably only worth it 1/2 of the time, but it's there. So maybe that's where people get this idea of fighting 9 ghouls?

LatetotheRace2 votes

$$$

Targon2 votes

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if a Project Riven or Star Guardian Riven skin gets released soon.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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I honestly wouldn't be surprised if a Project Riven or Star Guardian Riven skin gets released soon.

Ohh yah

On My Kill List2 votes

riot has favorites. same with lee sin yasuo zed etc. if any of them get nerfed expect 20x compensation buffs in the following days,weeks,months leading them to being even stronger then they were before. if say yorick gets out of hand for the first time in years or months he'll get dumpster tierd for the next couple of years or months. and don't expect any real compensation buffs maybe -10 less mana on a skill he never uses. thats just riots blatant favoritism.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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riot has favorites. same with lee sin yasuo zed etc. if any of them get nerfed expect 20x compensation buffs in the following days,weeks,months leading them to being even stronger then they were before. if say yorick gets out of hand for the first time in years or months he'll get dumpster tierd for the next couple of years or months. and don't expect any real compensation buffs maybe -10 less mana on a skill he never uses. thats just riots blatant favoritism.

Ohh boy we all know the list of babies they care for among all other champions.

Akali Didn't last months with her cancer change yet Yasuo running years .

BestPudgeNA2 votes

Riot has pet champs and those pet champs get special treatment when it comes to the nerf stick Rick isn't one of those pet champs so he get instant nerfed as soon as he becomes somewhat meta Riven is a pet champ and she will stay strong because of it. Riot will jump through mental hoops justifying why "she really isn't strong" "we have to wait and see for 6 months first"

Saw the same thing last year with MonkeyKing instant nerfs when meta and champs like Irelia which took 6 months before she was hit with anything other then a meme nerf and is still and A+/S- Tier champ

ValiantKiller1 votes

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Riot has pet champs and those pet champs get special treatment when it comes to the nerf stick Rick isn't one of those pet champs so he get instant nerfed as soon as he becomes somewhat meta Riven is a pet champ and she will stay strong because of it. Riot will jump through mental hoops justifying why "she really isn't strong" "we have to wait and see for 6 months first"

Saw the same thing last year with MonkeyKing instant nerfs when meta and champs like Irelia which took 6 months before she was hit with anything other then a meme nerf and is still and A+/S- Tier champ

Rip wukong

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