Can we stop with lee sin buffs?! What the hell is going on with balance team

ValiantKiller·Aug 7, 2018·133 votes·20,513 views

is getting buffed every damn patch by this rate, wth you want to do ? Do we really need another unstoppable to deal with jungler ? Omg

81 Comments

Takeda KhanAug 7, 201866 votes

Worlds are coming that's why.

ValiantKillerAug 7, 201834 votes

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Worlds are coming that's why.

Yah yah, time to screw solo queue

Daddy AntsAug 7, 201834 votes

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Yah yah, time to screw solo queue

Implying Solo Queue isn't already being screwed by many busted champions -

Draven MissFortune Quinn Zed Talon Yasuo MonkeyKing Zoe DrMundo

ValiantKillerAug 7, 20189 votes

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Implying Solo Queue isn't already being screwed by many busted champions -

But Lee sin is the worst, trust me on that. His damage to his shielding and such is bs.

Z3SleeperAug 8, 20185 votes

You don't like being 100-0'd by click target RQ from a hypermobile champion?

Dw, counterplay is easy, just don't get in melee range of him... or ward hop range... or ward hop + flash range...

Oh and if he does get in range, you aren't allowed to flash to alter knockback direction anymore cuz R roots you while he's casting it :)

ValiantKillerAug 8, 20182 votes

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You don't like being 100-0'd by click target RQ from a hypermobile champion?

Dw, counterplay is easy, just don't get in melee range of him... or ward hop range... or ward hop + flash range...

Oh and if he does get in range, you aren't allowed to flash to alter knockback direction anymore cuz R roots you while he's casting it :)

Just a perfect way to say it.

Radiant WukongAug 8, 20181 votes

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Implying Solo Queue isn't already being screwed by many busted champions -

Take MF, Draven, Zed and Wukong out of that. They're doing what they were always originally designed to do healthily. Go check their champion spotlight videos.

The others are unhealthy though. In total agreement about the rest.

Z3SleeperAug 8, 20185 votes

MF doing nearly 100% of an ADC's health in a single Q is her healthily executing her design.

Wukong one-shotting people out of stealth with unavoidable click target abilities (and not even using ult) is him healthily executing his design.

NorglicsAug 8, 20181 votes

havent seen that ever

Z3SleeperAug 8, 20182 votes

There was actually a thread specifically showcasing it a bit ago (2 days ago i think).

Dasdi96Aug 7, 201837 votes

Gotta get him ready for worlds 2k18. Can't give solo q a break because right now all our attention is on LC$. Remember what happened with the ardent censer last year?

ValiantKillerAug 7, 20183 votes

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Gotta get him ready for worlds 2k18. Can't give solo q a break because right now all our attention is on LC$. Remember what happened with the ardent censer last year?

Yah i know

Leto GTAug 7, 201832 votes

Yasuo buff are even more funny

ValiantKillerAug 7, 20189 votes

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Yasuo buff are even more important funny

I know right? Like sure the most toxic damn champion in game get buffs.

VermillionWolfAug 7, 201814 votes

I used to main Yasuo 7 months ago, he was challenging at it was fun to see my effort paying off in game. I stopped, he isnt even hard anymore, you deal so much damage that dodging skillshots or moving past walls with e is over shadowed by his 600 dmg Q. What is the point in playing a champ that just bursts with no skill. On that note, damage to his ult was the last thing he needed, he doesnt need more damage, thats just not his issue right now. This is damage for the sake of damage. Buff his resistances if you want him to be stronger, not that he needs to be.

Necro Warrior87Aug 7, 20184 votes

I didn't realize Yasuo was Zoe.

KeevalroyAug 7, 201816 votes

It's time for Worlds bud. The balance team needs something to beat off to.

ValiantKillerAug 7, 201822 votes

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It's time for Worlds bud. The balance team needs something to beat off to.

Wish worlds fail hard, honestly.

Wizard BlazeAug 7, 201815 votes

Riot balance team anus itches if they did not buff Assassins every patch and other.

Might call the game League of Assassins Creed

ValiantKillerAug 7, 20182 votes

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Riot balance team anus itches if they did not buff Assassins every patch and other.

Might call the game League of Assassins Creed

But they buffing lee and yas , nerfing wukong and quinn :) Got to replace champions somehow.

QsoloProAug 8, 20181 votes

I am SoloQ and I approve this message.

TheDeviceAug 8, 201812 votes

Yeah I think im done with this shit company.

They're nerfing Aatrox who has the SAME winrates as Lee and like 1/4th of his playrate. HOLY SHIT what is happening? What is happening with this company lol. Trox literally has a shitty winrate. It's not like... good. lol. Why are they nerfing him. Straight nerf too. No compensation.

chipndip1Aug 8, 20184 votes

On Lolalytics, Trox has a 52.5% win rate in top lane in Diamond.

Lee is like a tiny bit under 50%.

So you're wrong.

NorglicsAug 8, 20182 votes

nothing new , this is like for 3-4 year from now , lee sin always in top 10 if not top 3 champ every season , no nerfs at all

YuGiHoAug 7, 201810 votes

where the Ivern buffs at?

TheKingOfBichesAug 7, 20183 votes

Cancerous champion lets be real here.have you ever played the game when ivern was strong?

NaalithAug 8, 20188 votes

I just got out of a game where I was playing Akali and I shit you not, Lee Sin q'd me, I got healed to full then entered shroud, then he Q2'd me and used E then tiamat and I died instantly from full hp. He was pretty fed but so was I. Q2+E+Tiamat is enough to one shot someone in stealth. And then later in the game he Q1+Q2+E me and I died instantly. And people say Rengar all inning on an auto attack enhance is stupid.

Altonius AmakiirAug 8, 20184 votes

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2842071782/33921016?tab=overview I mean you weren't fed... in fact your kill participation was really bad. I'm all for calling for Lee Sin nerfs, I had trouble against him before the buffs (if it was someone who can play him well, not just someone who plays now and again), and the buffs were insane in my opinion that already shipped (full build lee sin with 350 AD can do up to 250 more damage on their Q2 than previously under the same enemy health conditions). And now they want to add another 40 damage on top of that. (would be a minimum of 70 more damage on all Q1+Q2 up to 290 under previously mentioned conditions).

Altonius AmakiirAug 8, 20181 votes

That being said from my math, if in your game, using the data available to me in that match history, if Lee Sin were to hit you from full health with both Q1 and Q2 the damage he would have dealt just from the patch buffs at the time in the game where he killed you, with you just taking the hits and not healing, before mitigation, and not accounting AD from buffs like drag or baron would be:

At 13:40, 87.5 damage At 20:25, 160.9 damage At 21:30, 170.8 damage At 25:30, 299.5 damage At 27:30, 326.4 damage

Altonius AmakiirAug 8, 20183 votes

If you were actually at around 90-80% max hp at first encounter/death, he could have killed you near instantly (not counting armor or rune damage or your heal). My calculations of this left you with -50 hp.

At last encounter (no armor, lethality, runes, heal, etc) at 80% health when he engaged, using QQ-tiamat you would be left with 90 hp.

NorglicsAug 8, 20182 votes

lee is officially an assassin now at least he has the dmg to be one

PaffWasTakenAug 8, 20187 votes

"You know this guy who can nuke anyone in a single combo? Well, let's give him execute damage so he won't need his ult as much anymore"

ValiantKillerAug 8, 20183 votes

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"You know this guy who can nuke anyone in a single combo? Well, let's give him execute damage so he won't need his ult as much anymore"

Why get level6 even when you can nuke at level3

Blu 1Aug 8, 20184 votes

Literally EVERY SINGLE YEAR they buff LeeSin for worlds.

I hope that sweet LC$ money is worth throwing 99.99% of their players under the bus

ValiantKillerAug 8, 20186 votes

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Literally EVERY SINGLE YEAR they buff for worlds.

I hope that sweet LC$ money is worth throwing 99.99% of their players under the bus

I hope world fails.

saltranAug 7, 20183 votes

Lmao RIto definetly wants to fuck KT Rolster if they manage to get to Worlds god dammit stop buffing Lee Sin.

AMADEUSdotEXEAug 7, 20183 votes

Ahri : This fuckers trying to get us nerfed! THATS IT I'M GUNNA TEAR YOUR- Lux : It's all right! Riot-kun will protect us... c'mon don't let him get to you...

OP: "Stop buffing Lee sin pls"

Ahri LeeSin : YOU SON OF A B-

Lux : [sg-janna]

Meanwhile

-Thousands nerf meteors rain from the heavens

Zoe https://media.giphy.com/media/nLhdSinRtaL2E/giphy.gif

AwhegarkAug 8, 20182 votes

I was agreeing with you until you started complaining about lux. She is cancer to play against if her numbers are not low, just e spam with 0 counterplay. Dont see how she is any different than lee sin other than the fact riot knows how to balance her.

A BepiAug 8, 20183 votes

Disgusting to see how clueless the balance team is. What's the point of pbe if fizz is allowed to be released in that state haha

FleirynAug 8, 20183 votes

Not that I like lee sin, but looking at numbers even lee sin mains have ~52 winrate in plat+ which is very low for high skill ceiling champion, ~48% for players new to the champ and dropping as low as 45% in lower elos

Boards should stop crying about actually justified buff, so our opinion is heard when riot makes a mistake

NorglicsAug 8, 20181 votes

how is it very low? to be over 50% some champs have to be lower than 50%

FleirynAug 9, 20181 votes

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how is it very low? to be over 50% some champs have to be lower than 50%

If you main a champion you are supposed to have waaay more than 50% on him, aurelion sol mains go as hing as ~59% for example

TotalJerkAug 8, 20182 votes

Because they made wards have a cooldown higher than his fucking ultimate and for years Lee Sin was balanced around ward-hopping. Now that it is basically a massive sacrifice of vision for him to do it Riot doesn't really know what to do with him because they want vision to stay extremely unforgiving for some reason.

ValiantKillerAug 8, 20185 votes

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Because they made wards have a cooldown higher than his fucking ultimate and for years Lee Sin was balanced around ward-hopping. Now that it is basically a massive sacrifice of vision for him to do it Riot doesn't really know what to do with him because they want vision to stay extremely unforgiving for some reason.

Then mini rework him and not bust his AD ratios and damage

QsoloProAug 8, 20182 votes

Riot balance team http://st.elohell.net/public/chill/3f62f6175fa2b67297b56d5fdd7816ce.png

The Pr0takuAug 8, 20182 votes

Yeah I'd rather he had cool karate based close quarters dodging and stuff to make up his kit, rather than just front loading his burst dmg. We already have too many all in 3shot AD champs, lets get some finesse back into a few kits. Longer shields more attack speed buff/slowing, less dmg on the Q (either part).

Javi Is HereAug 8, 20181 votes

Just press Q

ValiantKillerAug 8, 20183 votes

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Just press Q

But we got to nerf MonkeyKing Q cause it too op, yet lee the non binary champion with many outplays got to get more damage.