Absolutly no way Liandry gets through like this

Ahristocats·Feb 7, 2018·99 votes·15,985 views

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no way %max hp damage on liandry will be balanced

can't wait for to get hotfixed

229 Comments

Cowgirl EdFeb 7, 201864 votes

TIME FOR SOME SINGED

GigglesOFeb 7, 201818 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsUHHPNs72A

SalsonFeb 7, 201862 votes

That new champs looks broken.

GrReaper96Feb 7, 201817 votes

Wonder when its coming out

RiotRiot MapleNectarFeb 7, 201847 votes

Damnit Morde you're why we can't have nice things:P . Definitely aware, and we're looking into what we can/will change before ship. Almost certainly going to be a change to the Liandries as opposed to a change to Morde, but haven't decided the plan yet.

CyberBaltFeb 8, 20183 votes

I hope you don't take the video too seriously; I mean I WAS super fed that game! But I do think Liandry's was overtuned, we'll see how it is now that it's been nerfed a bit on PBE.

WiegrafOfValorFeb 8, 20189 votes

Just rework him please. No more 3 hit bs, give us our old Q back.

kagepaladinFeb 8, 20187 votes

Yeah I missed the old Q, their is some appeal about doing half of someone's HP with current Q but the old was alot more satisfying seeing three little maces fly threw the air.

WiegrafOfValorFeb 8, 20182 votes

Better yet when the flashed and you just sit there looking at that little mace slowly but surely flying towards them.

AnomanderFeb 8, 20187 votes

Why not make it on application instead of on damage. This would mean that dots only proc it once (except singe who would only reapply it while they are in the poison trail). This means that you would actually be able to buff the damage even more and make it a viable pick on other champions.

Just my thoughts.

Malicious MetalFeb 8, 20185 votes

Well, rework his bloody ass already then :P

Jokes aside, I feel the burn is too strong on almost any DoT champion anyways. Maybe settle on a fixed amount as opposed to one that gets doubled on movement impaired units? it would also not force certain champions into opting into both liandries and rylais if they want to access the maximum tank shred.

MordepoolFeb 8, 20187 votes

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Damnit Morde you're why we can't have nice things:P . Definitely aware, and we're looking into what we can/will change before ship. Almost certainly going to be a change to the Liandries as opposed to a change to Morde, but haven't decided the plan yet.

Ask yourself though when was the last time Morde had an item he used that someone else didn't use better. Not allowed to be good it's ok only 1% of the player base will even notice.

ModThe DjinnFeb 8, 20183 votes

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Damnit Morde you're why we can't have nice things:P . Definitely aware, and we're looking into what we can/will change before ship. Almost certainly going to be a change to the Liandries as opposed to a change to Morde, but haven't decided the plan yet.

A simple cap on the burn damage that a single spell can generate (or a decrease in damage to something like 50% or 33% after a certain duration) might be an appropriate fix here, perhaps? I'm not sure the 10% increased damage on Mordekaiser's ultimate is as big a problem as the ticking burn over a ten second duration + Rylai's, unless I'm misinterpreting what I'm seeing in that video. Possibly that and/or making it so the Liandry's damage itself isn't amplified by its own effect, but the former alone seems like it might be the best fix while also making the item better balanced in general for long duration effects like Malzahar/Mordekaiser/future DoT effects.

Thoughts?

NaonFeb 8, 20188 votes

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Damnit Morde you're why we can't have nice things:P . Definitely aware, and we're looking into what we can/will change before ship. Almost certainly going to be a change to the Liandries as opposed to a change to Morde, but haven't decided the plan yet.

It's almost like people that create these items don't even play the game or test the champs (with the items) before launch. Honestly I'm shocked Duskblade is still in the state it's in. At least Liandry is getting something done to it before it goes live this time.

The MechEFeb 8, 20184 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maple Nectar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zkkPX6Ne,comment-id=001d,timestamp=2018-02-07T23:46:07.842+0000)

Damnit Morde you're why we can't have nice things:P . Definitely aware, and we're looking into what we can/will change before ship. Almost certainly going to be a change to the Liandries as opposed to a change to Morde, but haven't decided the plan yet.

Why not just change how the item interacts with Morde? Too complicated?

KaeblenFeb 8, 201818 votes

morde has enough item specific interactions, thanks.

What Is SmiteFeb 8, 20183 votes

To be fair, Morde's in a spot where he not particularly good or bad right now. Sure you may think I don't have any weight in something like item interactions but I did use him to climb to Plat from Silver. Morde's kit as it is right now is for the most part balanced, bar a few janky ghost AI's and numerous other bugs, most lane match-ups he either wins or loses depending on how he plays the lane. Of course in the event he gets fed he becomes quite the monster of a Juggernaut, but the same can be said for most champions who win their lanes. Morde has clearly defined weaknesses and strength's, he neither trumps the majority of the champion pool or loses to it. Changes to Liandries and Guise are the most optimal decision to make in this scenario

SuperLuigiLXIVFeb 7, 201842 votes

Amumu with new Liandry plus Abyssal Mask. :^)

The tears, they burrrrrrrrrrn

Anyway, I'd like to say you're right, but people said that about the ridiculously overpowered Galio and Janna buffs that went live too.

AnomanderFeb 7, 201829 votes

Singed

Jinzo TorranceFeb 7, 201827 votes

Immobile mages not garbage? Must hotfix

AhristocatsFeb 7, 201820 votes

as if immobile mages are not busted rn

let me check who's op mid malz ryze cass

ok fam

Jinzo TorranceFeb 7, 20181 votes

-Malz only got picked once (by Gicuzzi <3) and banned 0 times out of 20 games after they nerfed him in 8.2 at the LCS, he also a negative winrate in SoloQ so I think he will lose his top tier status now. -Ryze has mobility on ultimate, it's how he survived most of the time at the LCS by using Ult+Stopwatch. -I don't know about Cassio, low pickrate in LCS also and low playrate/low winrate in SoloQ so I don't see how she's OP for now.

Every other immobile mage has either low playrate or low winrate, or both, bar Zoe and Orianna but they're abominations.

AhristocatsFeb 7, 20189 votes

malz is still the best midlaner, but he's no more because of unsealled spellbook nerf, same for ryze

but why are you saying "immobile mages not garbage? hotfixed" immobile mages were always strong

maybe not velkoz ect.. but malz rulled midlane for 1 year, ryze was toptier, and now cass is toptier

INT then ULTFeb 7, 201810 votes

Malz only ruined mid for assassins. Who ruined mid for mages.

DuskDaUmbreonFeb 7, 20185 votes

Malzahar. And assassins.

Whisper87Feb 7, 201819 votes

I think this is a bit skewed as Morde's ult is effectively the strongest DOT in the game when you consider both duration and damage per tick. Plus there are plenty of champions in the game who can kill a ADC with just like 1 spell, and ignite, and an ult. Mord's just feels frustrating because it's a DOT, which actually makes it weaker since you can pot and get healed or shielded by teammates if you have that. An Orianna with a Luden's instead of a LIandry's could have just as easily hit Luc for his full HP with just her Q and Ult with ignite.

Casseopia's whole point is to be able to persistently melt you with potentially 100% damage uptime once she get's Liandries and some CDR, so I'm not sure anything for her needs to change.

The other two have never felt very oppressive to me, so I think Cass is probably the only one who abuses it real hard, and IDK, I just don't see how you can give Liandry's a noticeable nerf without just nerfing her into oblivion.

AhristocatsFeb 7, 201833 votes

here is the thing

Morde ult will deal 100% MAX HP DAMAGE

which means if you replace the lucian by a maokai the maokai will die too and there is no way ori kills mao

Whisper87Feb 7, 201826 votes

Right, but the Maokai probably is building MR and might even have some bonus MR in his runes. And I'd have to double check but I believe his base MR is higher.

Not to mention the fact that if the Morde unleashed his full combo on your Maokai rather than a carry you should be jumping for joy. Also, it looks like in this video he at least put a ignite on Lucian as well, so it's not just Ult + Liandry.

AhristocatsFeb 7, 20187 votes

because lucian had maw shield

Whisper87Feb 7, 201815 votes

Meh, I have no problem with a solo laner building damage being able to kill an ADC with 1 spell, 1 ult, 1 ignite, even with Maw.

People have been complaining a lot about ADC power lately, maybe making it so that the ADC literally cannot fight a AP builder without help from the team is the answer.

TheSandQratorFeb 7, 201816 votes

Actually he didn't even use Ignite. Looking at the clip, the Grievous Wounds applies immediately, and lasts for the full clip. You also can't see the icon for the debuff on the bar above his stats.

That application of Grievous Wounds seems to be from the new Morello's Evil Tome. He has Liandry's Torment, and Rylai's Crystal Scepter (which seems to use the Frozen Heart's debuff icon?), the rest, I'm not sure about.

So it was literally E + R + Liandry's/Rylai's that took him out.

Now of course it was the very last tick of the ult that got the kill, so if he'd actually managed to get off some autoattacks he'd have been more likely to survive, since he's a Bloodthirster. (You can see the buff icon for that above his stats.)

Dang, though. That's impressive. I'm especially surprised it managed to kill him through the Maw shield.

I can't wait to nuke squishies with that.

Whisper87Feb 7, 201815 votes

I mean yeah when you think about it there are already champs who can 100-0 an ADC at 3 items with just a spell and an ult. Morde's actually has some counterplay considering it is DOT so therefore highly countered by shields, healing, and lifesteal.

EschetonFeb 7, 20185 votes

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here is the thing

Morde ult will deal 100% MAX HP DAMAGE

which means if you replace the lucian by a maokai the maokai will die too and there is no way ori kills mao

It's not 100% true dmg tho. Mao will live, because Mao has MR. Still, thats some dmg.

BobaFlautistFeb 7, 20186 votes

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It's not 100% true dmg tho. Mao will live, because Mao has MR. Still, thats some dmg.

Don't forget adaptive helm.

MohawkBirdFeb 7, 20181 votes

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Pierce The VealFeb 7, 20189 votes

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Mordekaiser would need some absurd amount of AP if he wanted to reach 100% max HP damage on his ult. He's getting around 50-60% in best cases, which is still mitigated by MR.

Actually he will achieve 100+% max hp damage on his ult with just a liandries and a rylai's alone due to the changes to liandries.

Liandries now deals 2% max hp per tick, increased to 4% on movement impaired champions.

JustMonika13Feb 7, 201811 votes

Well at least I’ll have a legitimate reason to permaban Brand now.

xelakerFeb 7, 201811 votes

Teemo

EschetonFeb 7, 201810 votes

Flash R, 100% Max health dmg. Seems legit.

LauchmelderFeb 7, 20183 votes

Tried a full AP build on the PBE, 8k damage on a dummy.

EschetonFeb 7, 20186 votes

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Tried a full AP build on the PBE, 8k damage on a dummy.

Finally a way to oneshot a fully stacked lategame Cho'gath. Huzza! Truely, Riot has come full circle and completed their design philosophy of "flashy plays, fast paced fights, FUCK YEAH ESPORTS!". The 5 Sunfires Eve/Garen of old has nothing on this.

SpecterVonBarenFeb 7, 20188 votes

No no, you're not thinking big enough.

Amumu Maokai Nautilus Ornn Galio

Imagine these guys with Liandries as their only offensive item and then full tank.

BjørnetjenestenFeb 7, 20187 votes

Seems fine to me, he died over 10 seconds. Thats alot of time to get shielded, healed or apply lifesteal. Not like zoe or rengar who just removes you form the game.

GayFluffyUnicornFeb 8, 20182 votes

Can't wait for old rengo Q now with a cleanse in W. Will be a terror toplane again. Or in the jungle. Or anywhere he is going.

GibberwattFeb 7, 20186 votes

Boi you forgot Anivia and Velkoz . they will melt everything.

Moonfall SaberFeb 7, 20183 votes

Lmfao finnaly someone can kill marksman. I say keep it.

RexxieeFeb 7, 20183 votes

Turning the current hp % damage into max health is absolutely retarded.

Its going to make dot champs all jump into 55~60% win rates, why are they even doing this...

GigglesOFeb 7, 201811 votes

item 3194

Finally has a place in the game I guess.

Luxana CrowngardFeb 7, 20181 votes

It always had a place in the game, when it came down to anivia, brand, and cass tho.

swaningtonFeb 7, 20184 votes

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It always had a place in the game, when it came down to anivia, brand, and cass tho.

And Fiddlesticks Galio Malzahar Shyvana Singed Swain Velkoz Zyra Twitch Teemo

And I'm sure more I'm missing. Plus item 3116 and item 3151 combo has been popular for a long time. Honestly if you've played a tank in ever in the past year then you've had plenty of reason to buy it.