Hey Riot, thanks for listening to us and nerfing turrets

Koechophe·May 30, 2018·262 votes·25,120 views

It's what we all wanted.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

72 Comments

RekSai CoffeeCoMay 30, 2018104 votes

Yeah it is like turning scuttle into a Rng based objective, which everyone was asking for.

BestPudgeNAMay 31, 20186 votes

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Yeah it is like turning scuttle into a Rng based objective, which everyone was asking for.

In fairness the turret changes actually do give Top and some mid/junglers that can split/breach more agency which isn't all that bad.

The scuttle changes accomplish nothing Riot wanted to happen and nothing that people were asking for.

MelledoneusMay 31, 201822 votes

I'm glad I have to ban Singed, Dr. Mundo, and Jax from my games. It's like Christmas came early!

SweedishGunnerMay 31, 201866 votes

Games were going past the 20 minute mark and Lord knows Riot can't allow that.

IcyPepperMay 31, 201811 votes

and Rito knows Tencent won't allow that

FTFY

TokogawarufMay 31, 201810 votes

Gotta keep the Internet Café Users happy

DisulfiramJun 3, 20181 votes

Internet cafes users are happy, the rest of the world is not... I really do hope that they've carefully considered the numbers and are sure that their internet cafe players outweigh the rest.

By the way, do you know what's kind of funny? That we did have a game mode with fast paced short games.

It was called "Dominion", and it got so unpopular that Riot removed it from the standard modes.

For this reason imho it is possible that trying to push Summoner's Rift to have fast paced short games might prove to be... quite counterproductive.

Murl0ughMay 31, 201829 votes

Don't forget the nerf to Baron that made it hard to kill it with two people. Everyone was so vocal on how they hated having an actual boss camp. Good shit Riot thanks for taking that away.

WoodakoodashoodaMay 31, 201821 votes

Next up, FF@10, but the enemy team ALSO has to agree to it. Making it 10 votes to 0.

#Unnecessary Changes

Ariel the CruelJun 1, 20181 votes

Meanwhile on Twisted Treeline . . . We can't tell the difference. XD

Rathar DashingMay 31, 201819 votes

I think they should keep the health of turrets reduced, but increase their resists to compensate. This would make the health regen even more valuable to them.

CrazFight May 31, 20188 votes

= Do I comment something about how maybe this isn't an overall tower nerf, na Ill save the downvote wave for another thread =

SirPurrrMay 31, 20188 votes

sometimes it feels like Riot just wants to see what they can get away with while players still play despite being unhappy with changes

what jungler wants the scuttler's spawn randomized with only 1 minute warning? who thought that comebacks should be even more unlikely and you basically should autolose if your team is behind (no matter how hard you try and even if you did decently)?! it's not enough that they have a lead, but also they get countless other automatic advantages from minions and other things. it seems Riot heard "being behind and feeling like you're stuck in a lost game sucks" and thought "OK, LET'S MAKE YOU LOSE EVEN FASTER!!!" instead of "OK, let's find ways to make leads less automatic wins and give fair but reasonable ways of coming back (even shut down gold is a little unfair because in a way, the team that's ahead gets punished more for a mistake). Let's find a way to make it so games almost never feel completely lost just by virtue of being behind and getting all these undeserved advantages such as minions pushing harder."

and who decided "we want no late game at all"?

HyquiemJun 1, 20181 votes

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sometimes it feels like Riot just wants to see what they can get away with while players still play despite being unhappy with changes

what jungle wants the scuttler's spawn randomized with only 1 minute warning? who thought that comebacks should be even more unlikely and you basically should autolose if your team is behind (no matter how hard you try and even if you did decently)?! it's not enough that they have a lead, but also they get countless other automatic advantages from minions and other things. it seems Riot heard "being behind and feeling like you're stuck in a lost game sucks" and thought "OK, LET'S MAKE YOU LOSE EVEN FASTER!!!" instead of "OK, let's find ways to make leads less automatic wins and give fair but reasonable ways of coming back (even shut down gold is a little unfair because in a way, the team that's ahead gets punished more for a mistake). Let's find a way to make it so games almost never feel completely lost just by virtue of being behind and getting all these undeserved advantages such as minions pushing harder."

and who decided "we want no late game at all"?

But late is actually a problem. Teams flip flop. Which just ends up reflecting on team behavior even if someone doesn’t like the other person they have to work together to win but at a certain time it’s enough. Late brings nothing but boredom it’s badicaly 40 minutes in when you get to late game. While the regular matches should be 35 mins and even some are 20.

astralwitJun 1, 20184 votes

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But late is actually a problem. Teams flip flop. Which just ends up reflecting on team behavior even if someone doesn’t like the other person they have to work together to win but at a certain time it’s enough. Late brings nothing but boredom it’s badicaly 40 minutes in when you get to late game. While the regular matches should be 35 mins and even some are 20.

maybe for you

I for one would like to play the full game with all its intricacies as well as the back and forth of a close game

late is totally different and way more interesting to me: more tension, can get fantasy builds, huge damage, every decision or death REALLY counts etc. ... my favorite part by far

just as importantly, having a late game opens up more of the champion pool

but perhaps best of all, when games actually have a late game as a norm, you don't feel totally useless and like you're wasting time if your team lost early

LegitBusinessmanJun 2, 20181 votes

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maybe for you

I for one would like to play the full game with all its intricacies as well as the back and forth of a close game

late is totally different and way more interesting to me: more tension, can get fantasy builds, huge damage, every decision or death REALLY counts etc. ... my favorite part by far

just as importantly, having a late game opens up more of the champion pool

but perhaps best of all, when games actually have a late game as a norm, you don't feel totally useless and like you're wasting time if your team lost early

Late game is 10 minutes in now.

Ariel the CruelJun 1, 20181 votes

sometimes it feels like Riot just wants to see what they can get away with while players still play despite being unhappy with changes

EA, is that you? XD

Dope SoloMay 31, 20186 votes

Oh you wanted turrets buffed? You should have asked for nerfs, riot's dev hubris just ends up doing the exact opposite of what people asked for.

This Is Your DadMay 31, 20186 votes

Lol, the first person to back without teleport loses tower, already almost happens bot lane, our tower has 1/10 of it's hp when me and my adc get back.

Ariel the CruelJun 1, 20181 votes

no. no! You're triggering flashbacks of release Jinx!

y0r1ckMay 30, 20185 votes

+1 made me laugh

Emo TwinkMay 31, 20185 votes

idc as much about the health of a turret but i wish damage was buffed against champs so its not easy being doven

Trias000May 31, 20185 votes

Just remove the towers already. What is their purpose anyway? Put a bag of gold in their stead, that's all they are after all.

Ariel the CruelJun 1, 20183 votes

They're to stall the game and act as a psuedo-safe haven during the early game.*

######*Early game defined as "levels 1-3" in modern LoL.

FatADCsMatterMay 31, 20185 votes

honestly i was hoping theyd buff those crappy ARAM turrets

TemporaryFoxMay 31, 20185 votes

I kind of glazed over this part of the patch notes, so I appreciate the refresh. This is a super disappointing nerf because it promotes backdoor wins with champs like Yi (IMO, a very unstrategic way to win a game and the worst way to lose a game)

Eternal TormentMay 31, 20185 votes

http://i.magaimg.net/img/3fd8.jpg

just gonna drop this by

AirKingNeoMay 30, 20184 votes

ADC damage output was super nerfed. The turret changes are making that more neutral, while being a buff to splitpushing (which is very weak).

ZephyrDrakeMay 30, 201870 votes

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ADC damage output was super nerfed. The turret changes are making that more neutral, while being a buff to splitpushing (which is very weak).

Yeah, it's not like AP can easily nuke them and champions like Camille and Fiora don't melt turrets in an instant... weaker turrets is literally the last thing people wanted to happen to turrets

FlashesMay 31, 201845 votes

Ziggs: Smiles in bomb

statelesskillerMay 31, 20186 votes

Veigar will be pretty good once he gets some ap

Mokuto BunshiMay 31, 20182 votes

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Ziggs: Smiles in bomb

... you know whats funny? Even though he supposed to be a tower taking specialist, I can use a champ like Teemo with a item 3115 and a item 3165 plus demolish and once the tower gets to the range where ziggs can blast it I do enough damage to towers to explode them faster XD

LordGeovanniJun 1, 20181 votes

Demoilish is completely unnessicary just teemo (or anyone) building ap is enough

Mokuto BunshiJun 1, 20182 votes

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Demoilish is completely unnessicary just teemo (or anyone) building ap is enough

True, I usually bring it tho. Reason is, its doable to stand in activation range and wait then take some damage from you laner to score a hit rather than always wait till they aren't at their tower.

LordGeovanniJun 2, 20181 votes

you dont have to wait until they arent at their tower just attack the tower thats what range is for. the enemy laner will usually be melee and you can use your range advantage to attack the tower out of their range and if they come up duck out of the tower range and attack them.

Mokuto BunshiJun 3, 20181 votes

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you dont have to wait until they arent at their tower just attack the tower thats what range is for. the enemy laner will usually be melee and you can use your range advantage to attack the tower out of their range and if they come up duck out of the tower range and attack them.

Why are people down voting this? I mean I know its good to take demolish but hes not exactly WRONG...

SweedishGunnerMay 31, 201817 votes

ADC Crit output was nerfed but that only effects damage vs champions since ADC's that aren't Jhin can't crit towers. ADC's will still melt towers.

NebuulJun 1, 20182 votes

Graves can crit towers.

ForFoxSakesJun 1, 20182 votes

cait can headshot towers

ZaneShadowMay 31, 20181 votes

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ADC damage output was super nerfed. The turret changes are making that more neutral, while being a buff to splitpushing (which is very weak).

Why so much hate? I’m not sure the accuracy, but it sounds like a reasonable guess! It’s not even offensive or anything!

Automated RivenJun 1, 20181 votes

Because its objectively untrue. If anything they destroy towers slightly faster roughly 3 minutes later in the game. Since adc's cannot crit towers and the crit scaling was the only thing about them which was nerfed. The higher AD from items with equivalent attack speed results in adc's doing the MORE damage 600-900 gold later in the game. while its true they do less damage to champions overall, they will do more damage to towers.

ThilmerJun 1, 20184 votes

"We listen to the feedback"... my ass. [sg-lulu]

Summonah12369May 31, 20181 votes

What kind of nerf did they do?

RookPusherMay 31, 20181 votes

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What kind of nerf did they do?

https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-811-notes

KarunamonMay 31, 20184 votes

tl;dr: tier 3 and 4 towers took a huge health reduction as well as now only regenning health up to the nearest third. They regen to that point a lot faster, but I'm not sure that matters given how weak turrets are nowadays.

cocacolalipsMay 31, 20184 votes

that's not the real nerf, no one cares about the health regeneration stuff it's so situational, they decreased turrets maximum health by 10% and 20% respectively