CAN I HAVE A GAME WITHOUT PREMADE IN DIAMOND?

PiVoRx·Aug 15, 2016·36 votes·1,532 views

FUCK THIS DYNAMIC SHIT.

48 Comments

redfeenixAug 15, 201621 votes

Short answer: no Long answer: no fuck you

dragon1xxAug 15, 201610 votes

Riot's answer: We have all these amazing fake polls that show everyone that parties has less toxicity and climbs better so you should be happy that you are getting out of bronze and also parties only go against other parties and parties have higher winrates! So go find a friend online at a place like boosteria.org or something like that and you can become the next Faker.

SeenanAug 15, 20161 votes

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Riot's answer: We have all these amazing fake polls that show everyone that parties has less toxicity and climbs better so you should be happy that you are getting out of bronze and also parties only go against other parties and parties have higher winrates! So go find a friend online at a place like boosteria.org or something like that and you can become the next Faker.

This and the post replied to made me laugh loud.

TFBaamAug 15, 20163 votes

fake polls huh? i bet you were one of those people 5 months ago demanding polls asking the average player dynamicq, soloq, or if they dont give af, but when riot decides to make a poll, you call it fake

ur not gonna do anything until you get what you want?

General Esdeath Aug 15, 20169 votes

I remember the poll I got.

"How do you feel about Dynamic Queue?"

A) I like it B) I don't play in a party

This is a one sided poll, since the answers imply everyone who plays in a party likes it.

ElikainAug 16, 20161 votes

The answers to the question seem logical to me.

You enjoy playing in a party so giving you DQ allows queueing up with varying party sizes to accommodate your varying needs.
You don't play in a party and you enjoy solo experience.

In what way were they wrong in assuming you enjoy playing in a party but you dislike DQ? It's a simple yes and no answer. Explain me your reasoning.

Warlord ZudaneAug 16, 20162 votes

Well, because the way it's worded isn't balanced as yes or no.

How do you feel?

Positive experience No experience

Where is the option for someone with a negative experience? Are they supposed to just say they don't play in a party? That covers people that don't know enough people to party, people that don't like to play in a party, or people that simply have never tried it. It's grouping negative and neutral together so we end up viewing only positive vs non-positive.

ElikainAug 16, 20161 votes

It's not "No experience". If you don't play in a party, you have the exact opposite experience of people playing in a party. It isn't that you never got a chance of playing in a party, it's because you've made the choice of playing solo because you enjoy it more. So from the standpoint of the specific question being asked, it's a "Yes" or "No" answer. The indifferent answer would have been "i play both".

Warlord ZudaneAug 16, 20161 votes

I seriously cannot put this any simpler.

Do you like playing with Dynamic Queue?

Yes

I don't play in a party

Now please explain what answers should be given in the following scenarios:

I like Dynamic Queue but I don't play in a party.

I dislike Dynamic Queue completely

I enjoy Dynamic Queue but I prefer Solo Queue

I have never tried Dynamic Queue before

I enjoy Dynamic Queue more than Solo Queue

That is 5 votes in total, so picking ONLY between the two options given (because those are the only options available), please pick what each of those people should vote.

ElikainAug 16, 20161 votes

I seriously cannot put this any simpler:

The answers to the question were Yes and No. In the given context of the question "Do you like playing in Dynamic Queue?", Dynamic Queue is classified as an ability to play with friends in premades of varying sizes in a queue, as opposed to the limit of 2 or 5 people (full team).

The answers were:

I like playing in a party (Yes)
And you'd enjoy DQ because it features playing with friends, regardless of the team size.
I don't play in a party (No)
You enjoy solo experience more and therefore you won't like DQ or it doesn't matter all too much to you.

Warlord ZudaneAug 16, 20161 votes

I'll leave it at this: You can't make it simpler because you couldn't even answer a single question on it. When you can do that we can talk.

To sum up your response regarding those answers:

No

Yes

That's 80% negative and each one has a different answer. Doesn't seem right to me, but maybe I just don't understand that saying you don't play in a party is the same as saying that you don't want to, don't like to and at the same time haven't experienced it yet.

The question would be fine if it was "Do you use Dynamic Queue?" but it isn't, the question is asking if you ENJOY it, and the answers are "Yes" and "Everything else"

ElikainAug 16, 20161 votes

You're the one saying Riot manipulated the masses with 2 simple answers and yet you are proposing all of this convoluted BS and still leave only 2 possible answers. Doesn't matter where you stand in the middle if 4 out of 5 answers are a No. They didn't look for the answers in the middle, they were looking for a Yes or No so any other answers that fall in the same category under No were redundant.

"Do you use Dynamic Queue?"

You cannot not use DQ like you see fit. Either it exists or it does not. Your question misses the mark completely. They asked whether you enjoyed the experience and they were looking for a Yes or No, as evident from the answers.

Warlord ZudaneAug 17, 20161 votes

Fine, answer this question:

I don't do dynamic queue often, have used it a handful of times only - I am not really sure if I like it or not.

What answer do I put? Should I say I just don't use it? because the answer is that I do use it some but I'm definitely can't say I enjoy it.

ElikainAug 17, 20161 votes

If you don't enjoy it, then you pick the option that's the closest to your answer.

General Esdeath Aug 16, 20161 votes

No, because when Riot takes the results, and this is where a statistics course comes in handy because you learn how to manipulate this, we can say 100% of people of people polled who play DQ enjoy it.

ElikainAug 16, 20161 votes

Make the case here then. Don't attempt to make a doomsday theory about Riot rigging the results of their polls and then provide 0 evidence of that fact. I'm bound to trust the company i've been with for 7 years over a random person's opinion on the internet.

I'll say it again - people who polled this question on their own never did it legitimately, there was always a backdoor to allow for multiple votes, if you know how to. So, the polls random players have that they claim are more accurate than RIot's are also not credible as there is no way to know if they were boted votes or not.

General Esdeath Aug 16, 20161 votes

Dude scroll up, I showed you the question and results I was given BY RIOT.

DREADN0UGHTAug 15, 20162 votes

It was a fake poll.

The question and the answers led to biased answers.

It should have been something like ''Would you rather play in a Dynamic Queue environment, or a Solo Queue environment?''

With answers being

A) I prefer Dynamic Queue B) I prefer Solo Queue C) Indiferent.

SaiannaAug 16, 20161 votes

ONLY if they'd also explain what Dynamic is and isn't. Cause lots of players think that champion select = Dynamic Que which misleads them (ofc we all know it was made for purpose).

dragon1xxAug 15, 20161 votes

Yes, the playerbase isn't going to give up until the company respects their opinion. At least give us a solo queue only experience in regular draft to see how it works.

ElikainAug 16, 20161 votes

We have all these amazing fake polls

But when you guys make a poll, people can vote multiple times on it if they have the basic knowledge of coding so any "evidence" you try to come up with is also not credible.

Maximum MordeAug 15, 20166 votes

No, you can't. Your existance as a solo player is to serve as filler for premades. Riot has so decreed and so it was done.

Penta AceAug 16, 20161 votes

I laughed not only because your statement was funny but because it was upsettingly true XD

ElikainAug 16, 20161 votes

Gotta love how you made yourself the victim here. In what way should premades of varying sizes only make up teams? Where would you suggest you, as a solo palyer, would go in this case?

And don't tell me you deserve your own environment because then you'd be asking for special treatment, trying to proclaim yourself as an endangered specie that needs to be protected. Give me a break.

I managed to climb to D4 in this season alone. If i made the climb, everyone can. But you're too stuck behind the idea of having to share the same bed with premades that it became a major debilitating factor to your performance. Whenever you lose, you blame it on the "boosted animals" that don't deserve to be in your high and mighty ELO or you blame it on the premades that are always better on the enemy team and worse on yours... Yea, you are always the best player on your team. You can't make a mistake...

Maximum MordeAug 16, 20161 votes

Tell us how you really feel. Did a naughty solo troll throw the match for you? Let's get it all off your chest so you can feel better.

ElikainAug 16, 20161 votes

People throw games regardless if they're solo or premade players, that's just a nature of assholes. It makes no difference in what queue you play. If a player decided to throw a game, he's going to do it regardless.

The point i'm trying to make is to get off your high horse of solo palyers having it worse than premades, everyone shares the same queue. If premades (according to you) are having a better time, then it might be the time to find yourself people to play with. On the other hand, if you enjoy the solo experience, why are you complaining about it?

WarpesAug 15, 20164 votes

Nope. Dynamic Queue promotes "teamwork". And having a Diamond on your team when you're in silver/bronze is excellent teamwork.

Raven ElizabethAug 15, 20168 votes

He is in diamond. What he is saying is that he had a premade when he is in diamond and that it bothers him for some reason

WarpesAug 15, 20161 votes

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He is in diamond. What he is saying is that he had a premade when he is in diamond and that it bothers him for some reason

his wording suggests either way. but does it honestly matter? dynamic queue is shit for all of these reasons.

Raven ElizabethAug 15, 20164 votes

for what reasons? None were given. I have climbed out of B5 into S4 in the last month on this BS que and earned my solo badge on the way. Its honestly not that bad.

WarpesAug 15, 20167 votes

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for what reasons? None were given. I have climbed out of B5 into S4 in the last month on this BS que and earned my solo badge on the way. Its honestly not that bad.

and your point is exactly?...

So because you climbed to "silver 4" (wow, amazing...) that means dynamic queue isn't bullshit because of premades, boosting, and shit matchmaking from various elos? (the reasons btw, since you apparently need them spelled out for you)

Or are we supposed to be impressed with your miniscule climb from flat bottom or something? Is that why you're posting this?

Raven ElizabethAug 15, 20161 votes

I originally posted on your comment cause you went on sarcastically about being in bronze/silver playing with a diamond being fair, when the guy was in diamond. I mentioned my bronze/silver because you're original comment was about those tiers. However, It disagreed with you so my tier suddenly negates my opinion/experience on the matter when his didn't.

WarpesAug 15, 20162 votes

you are reading far too much into what i said in every one of my comments, and coming to the wrong conclusions.

but you're right. it's perfectly ok for you to be in bronze/silver and have diamonds, or master tier smurfs, in your enemy premades... or all tiers with various different elo matches for that matter (it was an example, do you know what those are?).

despite what even the pros, streamers, and highest of elo players are all saying about DQ of all elos... all because you made it to "silver 4". congratulations on single handedly beating the system and showing them all with your tremendous achievement though, mate.

does that sum up what's wrong with your posts yet, and assumptions about mine, or do i need to spell out more actual logic for you?

jaymc1130Aug 15, 20164 votes

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his wording suggests either way. but does it honestly matter? dynamic queue is shit for all of these reasons.

I'll just mention that there are plenty of us diamond players making new accounts and smurfing from silver up because of how awful DQ is so the quip about diamonds on silver teams is plenty accurate.

OleandervineAug 15, 20163 votes

I was under the impression that higher ranks were suffering from a small playerbase. Wouldn't having premades mixed into the player pool decrease game wait times?

DREADN0UGHTAug 15, 20161 votes

It does, but at the cost of team balance.

3 Diamond players with comms can shred solo Diamonds easier than a 3 man Gold premade could in Gold.

LatetotheRaceAug 16, 20161 votes

Queue time from DQ is never considered as a benefit when the match quality tanks. Due to the lack of players at that elo, making the game balanced with premades gets all that more difficult. (Limited MMR in the queue and much greater resulting MMR disparities.) It sounds good in concept, but will never work in pracitce.

Mojihito666Aug 15, 20162 votes

Nope you cant.

Get friends to boost you or die ( in game )

CrazFight Aug 15, 20162 votes

Ye I mean us low elo people complain about dynamic queue , but it really only affects us 70% of the time, i feel bad for higher elos that are like 99% of the time dynamic queue.

Mr FidoriAug 15, 20162 votes

Short answer: Yes.

GULAG 4 UAug 15, 20161 votes

That means you're the only boosted diamond player! Woohoo!

ResolutionAug 15, 20161 votes

Riot polls/What they think we want; Have always been what they want us to want.

I'm noticing the common opinion is the opposite of what they say almost everyone wants.

inplaneAug 16, 20161 votes

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Riot polls/What they think we want; Have always been what they want us to want.

I'm noticing the common opinion is the opposite of what they say almost everyone wants.

It's not always Riot's fault when the playerbase's opinions conflict their views, but in this case it kind of is.

Whoever made those polls asking about Dynamic Queue has to be a shoe.

The DeckownerAug 16, 20161 votes

it was lyte, he left rito very soon after dq.

inplaneAug 16, 20161 votes

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it was lyte, he left rito very soon after dq.

I knew Lyte was infamous for his ban hammering, but didn't know he was this much of a shoe.

The DeckownerAug 16, 20161 votes

he created all these manipulating survey thinfy

Bladerunner7777Aug 16, 20161 votes

As I have been climbing to high elo, the amount of bad experiences I have had with premades are still in the single digits.

The benefits of being a support main :^)

ElikainAug 16, 20161 votes

You don't get to tell people how they should enjoy playing this game. On the other hand, you are Diamond yourself so the premades you're playing against can't be lower than you.