Dear Jungle, Your Support Likely Has CC on Demand

Woodakoodashooda·Jun 10, 2019·2 votes·1,713 views

So, if you happen to be full health with good resources and your support pings for help. It's likely because they want to give you or the ADC easy kills and not because they actually need your help to save them from anything. Your support pings you because they want their team to snowball the game for a victory made entirely too easy if their jungle has the smallest amount of common sense.

So please. If you could stop camping the top lane that likely has no CC. If you could stop trying to kill the enemy mid who likely has an abundance of mobility. And, instead, help yourself and the ADC to the all you can eat buffet that is bot lane. Well...

...that'd be fantastic!

7 Comments

ShiroyashayamiJun 10, 20194 votes

As a jungler I mostly see those pings after they go 0/5 or when I am on the other side of the map. Also when I come my support usually doesn't have that cc and doesn't inform me about it or misses it completely. I will be frank with you, I don't see too many good support players. Most of them suck. It is like telling me to trust all woman, when I know from experience that many of them are lying b***** and yes I was hurt by a woman. Many times and by many of them and I was crying only over one of them, because I was in love once. The same is with supports, whenever I believe in them, they fucking suck and then they blame me. From my experience its more beneficial to have my own mind and decide what is the best choice by myself. Also its good to take literally all kills (winrate goes crazy high from this) but I mostly play for fun and playing with a team in a team oriented game is more fun to me than tryharding. I probably can't hit master anyways with my champion pool (edit.: and skill level, my macro is good, my micro ... nah) xd

WoodakoodashoodaJun 10, 20191 votes

Completely understandable. Many times you end up with some filled support who either didn't speak up in lobby or wasn't allowed to trade roles with anyone.

But I do my best as a support. I generally perform well win or lose. And it doesn't bother me so much that the ADC doesn't do well early because I know that, given the chance, they have the potential to win the game. But I can't always get them there on my own. Because supporting a bad ADC makes me feel like I'm down half a player.

But I also know that if the ADC can get a little attention from the team, some outside help, it improves the team's overall chances of winning. It's not guaranteed mind you, but it's better than nothing.

I get that you big plays snowball carry mains want to take on the universe on your own. And I get that you fondly remember your big plays and that you want to recreate those experiences. But you don't have to. You don't have to place the weight of 4 others on your shoulders. Please, give your allies a chance to show you what they can do. And then, as a jungle, decide for yourself who is and is not worth your attention.

You get a support/ADC who flames you and/or spam pings you. Or a bot lane who ignores you when you do show to get them ahead. Then yeah, absolutely fucking ignore them. And that goes for any lane. And if all 3 lanes are doing it. Well, that's when you just check out and mentally prepare yourself for the next one. Try and FF and, if not, go through the motions of looking like you're playing because you're on a team that wants to play the blame game and not the actual game itself and they just aren't worth the investment.

ShiroyashayamiJun 10, 20191 votes

Please, give your allies a chance to show you what they can do. And then, as a jungle, decide for yourself who is and is not worth your attention.

It is not that I don't do that, its just, when I do it my winrate goes down because its not a good thing to depend on somebody's else decision making when you know that you are the better player. I can look at the situation at bot lane and if its gankable and the risk of enemy jungler meddling with things is low then I might go there and do my job. Basically, the fastest way to gain elo is by snowballing out of control by playing around yourself. If I get many kills I will win, even if my team is bad.

I will not stop playing if they ping me. I don't care. If I want to carry and win matches and boost my account then I do that. And a way to do that with 80+% winrate is by taking all the kill and farm for myself. I might tax my laners even. Spawn herald before 14 min to take plates gold. I might even ks. This is how people get high winrates in any elo, because the only consistant player in a team is me. And the only consistant player in your team are you. People are too kind and think that they shouldn't steal things, while its the best way to get ahead and carry.

There are also ways to boost elo with support. Unfortunatelly I don't know them. I have heard about some support players in high elo that were using some kind of strategy to get incredibly high winrates, but I wasn't interested.

Also I know that its a meme at this point but when you don't care about your team feeding and you are giving 100% even if the match is 100% lost, then you will be winning more and you will sometimes enjoy it. You play your game and your team plays theirs. Don't let it bother you. If there is a way to win it, you just need to find it or keep the match long enough for enemy to throw (because they always do, even in high elo).

Plat HardstuckXDJun 10, 20191 votes

If the jungler is on the other side of the map its gonna take at least a minute or 2 to get down from farming. Laners need to understand that missing camps to have a potential failed gank is a massive waste of time and puts junglers behind.

jordon1234Jun 10, 20191 votes

here the thing right. Junglers dont hate supports we hate ad carries. I swear to god riot did this a massive god damn joke to put the most selfless role with the most selfish. trying to get adc to do anything of importance to the game is a gigantic under taking, so really when your looking at a gank for botlane dont think of it as a 3 vs 2 think of it more like a 2 vs 2 with a chance of it becoming a 3 vs 2. then if your even more unlucky it can quickly turn into a 4 vs 2. so the real battle of botlane is whether you as a support can make up for a useless adc.

WoodakoodashoodaJun 10, 20191 votes

ADC's are a mixed bag. Same with any player or person, really. And it was not Riot that created this meta. It was invented by players in the first season of the game who, through experimentation, discovered the best means of distributing gold and experience among allies.

If you look up the original champion spotlights for season 1 champions, you'll see that Riot actually intended for ADC's to thrive in solo lanes if players wanted.

But the meta we have now became a long-established and expected meta that rarely shifts.

The draft system we have now is a result of the experimental team builder system Riot did away with to ensure optimal queue times for the draft system as well as other modes of play. And the positions displayed are a mere mirror image of the meta that players cemented as the ground rules for playing the game.

Players did eventually cry out against Riot about the lack of bot lane diversity and so, for a single patch, Riot catered to the wishes of those who complained. And, for a short time, an entire class of champions was rendered nearly obsolete with the exception of ADC's whose items were identical to melee bruisers and assassins.

ADC mains complained that their favorite champions were being unfairly shoved out of their home and, again, Riot catered to those who complained and the patch in which we saw bruisers in bot lane was, for the most part, reverted.

Bruiser mains don't want to see ADC's in their lane. ADC mains don't want to see bruisers in their lane. And solo lanes don't want a partner siphoning experience from their efforts.

As for the Support/ADC relationship. They rely on each other to win lane and, hopefully by extension, the game.