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I am SICK of Playing Blind

Woodakoodashooda·May 31, 2016·113 votes·4,842 views

Vision just sucks in the game. It truly sucks. I buy pinks, I place down my yellows. I ward at least 2 different locations at any given moment, sometimes 3, but it doesn't cut it. Even if everyone warded at the same time on one team, the team still has minimal and temporary vision.

You want to fix the mobile assassin game? You want to correct the tank assassin meta? You want roaming champions to see proper nerfs?

Start by buffing vision!

People were never happy with the change if the boards are any indication of the community.

Rather than try and fix champions that probably don't even need it. Give everyone a fighting chance by bringing back proper vision to the map! If we can see our enemies coming in a mere 2 seconds after they leave their lane then maybe, JUST MAYBE, people would stop hating on 50% win rate assassins and start enjoying their lanes a little more.

You think jungles like it when the map is kept in the dark? Hell no! We rely on our team warding so we don't end up dying on our approach for a gank! What wards do we have? How about the ones we spend guarding our asses from counters while we try to take blue or red? How about the pink we use to maintain vision on dragon or baron?

Bring vision back!

120 Comments

DrCyanideMay 31, 201660 votes

Saw the title and thought you were talking about Blind Pick.

TOMENTISMay 31, 20164 votes

Why Riot doesn't remove Blind Pick? It will improve the queue time at least on normal Draft Pick.

BasedNerdMay 31, 201613 votes

You saw all the outrage at the lack of SoloQ. Now imagine how many more people play blind pick. It won't be a clean cut, I can guarantee you that.

Virgin RayJun 1, 20161 votes

The cut will be infected and spread throughout the body and cause tumors to grow since the cells are deformed and cause cancer.

NotSpecialDudeMay 31, 20165 votes

blind pick is the only pvp mode you can play with less then 16 champs owned. Without it, new players won't be able to play pvp until they own 17 champs. Simply cutting it will not work. It is an unfortunate necessity due to the leveling mechanic of the game.

TSwift Is SexyMay 31, 20166 votes

I don't think it's unfortunate at all.

NotSpecialDudeMay 31, 20163 votes

That was my bias slipping through. I personally HATE blind queue with a passion. I have had many bad games where there were trolls, afks, and all around unfriendly people. When I think of "Mid or Feed" I think of blinds. If riot has another brain fart and decides to torch the queue, I would dig up its corpse and dance upon it with utmost glee before drowning it in my own urine.

I know its needed, I just don't like it.

DrCyanideMay 31, 20166 votes

Personally... I think I prefer Blind Pick to Draft.

I've been doing an experiment in Blind Pick lately, typing Fill and letting the other players work it out. Out of the 12 games I've recorded, I've gotten ADC 4 times, Top and Mid 3 times each, Jungle and Support once each. 12 games, 1 Support game, as Fill. Small sample size, but in all the time I've played Blind and Filled, I've never felt like I was guaranteed to Support.

Somehow Blind Pick has managed to find enough voluntary Support Players for it to not be a problem there. If I was Riot, I'd be looking very closely at Blind Pick to find out how they can fix queue times for Draft.

Old Draft I got mid 63% of the time. According to Riot, I can now expect it 55% of the time. I don't have any numbers on what it would be for Blind Pick, but I suspect that it's better than 55%.

YCitizenSnipsYJun 1, 20165 votes

See this is why I don't believe you. Support isn't popular in the mode where you actually volunteer for it, but you are claiming its popular in a mode that is known for the slowest typing player to be support.

DrCyanideJun 1, 20163 votes

Try it for yourself then, 10 games, and see what happens.

People don't like being support 24/7, but many are fine with it as a second or third option every once in a while. The problem that Draft is facing is you can't have it as a second option because if you try that it becomes your only option.

YCitizenSnipsYJun 1, 20161 votes

You can literally not pick support or fill. I don't even see where you are going with this. If you choose fill you are fine with going any role so just select two that aren't support. If you select support you know their is a large chance you end up there are not a lot of support players.

I just think this is some sort of biased you have. Blind pick has the reputation of people being forced to support for not calling a role fast enough for a reason.

5000000000000000Jun 1, 20162 votes

Suppose there's a player who wants to mid, but okay with top and support, and doesn't want to play jungle or adc. That person would, in blind pick, try to call mid, but would be willing to go top or support as well if they don't get mid.

In Draft, the same player picks mid/top, and pretty much never support. That's the point being made here.

YCitizenSnipsYJun 2, 20161 votes

Then pick Mid support the next game. You are trying way to hard to make a non issue sound complicated. I play three roles with the current draft. It isn't that hard too do. In fact you can people that claim that you can't fill becasue you get support aren't "fill" players in the first place since you a, complain about a role you receive, and b could actually just queue up for two roles you felt like if you are comfortable in every role.

You try way to hard to find problems where there isn't. And if that many people in blind pick are so voluntary for support then why is the new draft no different from team builder where support was the least desired role there as well. I don't believe with two normal roles having support as the least desired role that the other some how fixes the issue, In fact I know it doesn't becasue it still has the reputation it always has, insta lockers and the slowest role call gets support.

MeriipuMay 31, 201628 votes

nerfing yellow trinket upgrade was the worst decision riot ever made maybe not as bad as lee sin but it comes close

ZarvanisMay 31, 201620 votes

Ekko Releasing Ekko with no mana cost on his Ultimate is certainly up there. XinZhao And I've heard the horror stories of release Xin Zhao.

NichtHurzMay 31, 20162 votes

Xin Zhao was pure madness! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHw1_Csup84

arc95May 31, 20162 votes

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Releasing Ekko with no mana cost on his Ultimate is certainly up there. And I've heard the horror stories of release Xin Zhao.

release TF...global TP as his E and the global vision on his ult

FacerollKatarinaMay 31, 20169 votes

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Releasing Ekko with no mana cost on his Ultimate is certainly up there. And I've heard the horror stories of release Xin Zhao.

I think releasing ekko is enough of a mistake on its own

NotSpecialDudeMay 31, 20162 votes

Nerfing yellow trinket made sense when you could buy the upgrade, or just buy wards outright. Now we can't. That trinket is the only source of wards outside of the jungle item and sightstone. The later being mostly useless stat wise and the former tied strictly to the jungler.

Lord GalvatronMay 31, 201612 votes

Maybe if you took off the blindfold you are wearing, you would be able to see the screen better. This Lee Sin cosplaying has gone too far.

AeszarckMay 31, 20165 votes

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Maybe if you took off the blindfold you are wearing, you would be able to see the screen better. This Lee Sin cosplaying has gone too far.

Too far is when you set yourself on fire.

LatetotheRaceMay 31, 201610 votes

item 3361 This was the best damn item in the game. Buuuuut, they removed it for some retarded reason. (Yes, "retarded" as in the guy that removed them.)

UnpaladinMay 31, 20164 votes

PRAISE THE TRINKET

Puppet33rMay 31, 20167 votes

Pretty sure they made it so on purpose so that pro players would have to play with less vision, take risks and get caught like idiots making games more entertaining to watch. Not saying I agree, but pretty sure this is intentional.

AmelieMay 31, 20166 votes

It was intentional, but it had the opposite effect. Pick safe laners, play safe, don't make risky plays, don't risk making a mistake...... win game off of one teamfight.

Puppet33rMay 31, 20162 votes

That is exactly why they implemented it. You are never safe. There is always 1 or more ways for a group of organized players to dive you especially since turrets are still a joke(seriously, lvl6 ww ultied me under turret stood there for a few more autos from it and got away as if it was exactly the way he planned it). So, as much as I hate it, this is their plan - to promote active plays with your premade buddies/pro teammates.

WimbledofyMay 31, 20166 votes

but he just explained it did the opposite. It doesn't promote more active plays, it promotes more passive and safe plays because it's hard to get enough vision to even safely make active plays.

Puppet33rMay 31, 20161 votes

And I just told you that people can abuse that lack of vision to dive even the safest of laners because turrets are a joke.

WimbledofyMay 31, 20162 votes

You are using the word can. Sure they CAN but they don't. Also you don't need any vision to know a laner is missing. We are talking about what is ACTUALLY HAPPENING rather than what COULD be happening. You were the one who set the context in the first place about it being pro play, now you are somehow leaving that context.

IceKingChernobogJun 1, 20162 votes

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It was intentional, but it had the opposite effect. Pick safe laners, play safe, don't make risky plays, don't risk making a mistake...... win game off of one teamfight.

Thus making the game stupidly stale in pro plays

Banana NationsMay 31, 20165 votes

People that clearly never played support in seasons 2/3

KudrovMay 31, 20164 votes

the new #bringsomething back :OOO after #bringsoloQ we now get #bringvisionback next will be #riotbringbackthefungameweusedtoknow

BestTristMyHausMay 31, 20165 votes

To be fair, both Solo Q and (especially) vision were things no one asked to have removed.

ThePartyLeaderMay 31, 20163 votes

I thought you just had to type"black sheep wall" to see everything

Mig89May 31, 20162 votes

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I thought you just had to type"black sheep wall" to see everything

was that the old starcraft cheat code? XD

AeszarckMay 31, 20161 votes

iseedeadpeople

GayFluffyUnicornJun 1, 20161 votes

Age of Empires? Or Empire Earth? Not sure right now :o

AeszarckJun 1, 20161 votes

{quoted}

Age of Empires? Or Empire Earth? Not sure right now :o

Warcraft III's cheat code for vision!

MÖRTIMERMay 31, 20163 votes

Or... you could just ward the right places. No one else has ever complained about vision. Stop having tunnel vision and pay more attention to minimap

BestTristMyHausMay 31, 20162 votes

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No one else has ever complained about vision.

Wait, whut?

Avarosa Guide MeMay 31, 20163 votes

Just let us buy green wards again. Then things will be fine

CasterGilgameshJun 1, 20162 votes

then the ward b*tches role will be brought back

Serpents EmbraceMay 31, 20163 votes

I kind of like the system they have set up for Trinkets and such right now, but I'm super confused why items like the Sightstones or gold generation items don't increase the limit of wards you can place.

Like...it's what people expect from the support when they're busy focusing on the main purpose of their own role, so why are they hobbled with the same ward limits as everyone else?

PrinceBedazzledJun 1, 20163 votes

Ya. I was seriously so sad when riot got rid of green trinket. I love warding.. They shoulda made it so at level 9 the trinkets become green sightstone wards. I know the duration increases a little bit but its not great as is.. and the recharge should be faster at level 1. Honestly scanners barely ever pick up anything besides obvious dragon and river bush wards, and sightstones have less wards too now. Whats the point in nerfing vision so much they never really explained that.

KyroRayneJun 1, 20162 votes

Stop playing Lee Sin then [slayer-jinx-catface] or playing against Teemo or Graves or Nocturne or Quinn

DengedenJun 1, 20162 votes

If junglers hate lack of vision, they have 0 excuse, they could have obtained a warding item easily. Now, is it harder to play without an offensive smite item? Indubitably. Is that a solid excuse? Heck no.

I too, am frustrated when the support just sits in lane all day stealing EXP instead of doing their job ... but I also understand that the vision game actually takes skill now. You use the warding totem correctly without spamming it, try to permanently light up objectives with scrying orb/pinks or deny a huge chunk of vision with sweeper. Not just the "oh, used 250g? Well it's only fair that I can light up a quadrant of the map for 3 min now."

MalfiniMay 31, 20161 votes

then place those wards on "choke" points... easy.

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

AlsekMay 31, 20161 votes

Pretty sure most assassins aren't hindered by choke points.

MalfiniMay 31, 20161 votes

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Pretty sure most assassins aren't hindered by choke points.

I am referring to strategically placing wards so one would see on the mini map if there are enemies approaching or not.

AninLegions777May 31, 20163 votes

Good luck doing that when wards have 100+ secs CD. It's impossible. Especially for mid and top lane. These choke points existed before the vision Nerfs.

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