Why does Ahri get a free homeguard every time she presses Q?

FalconPawwwwnch·Aug 17, 2015·12 votes·949 views

Is this really necessary?

17 Comments

MiraweaveAug 17, 20152 votes

85 mana isn't exactly "free", but sure.

Yes, she's safe. That's what she's for.

LoL aint lifeAug 17, 20151 votes

Exactly, she's way too safe right now dawg :/

She used to have that weakness where she was gankable pre-lvl 6 and when her ultimate was on cooldown. However, unless she really fucks up like the bi... she really fucka up, she's pretty much never going to get ganked.

That's really lame, I keep hating on Ahri, but seriously, that champion is so easy to balance, but it's like Riot wants her to be way too strong for some reason :/

MiraweaveAug 17, 20152 votes

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Exactly, she's way too safe right now dawg :/

She used to have that weakness where she was gankable pre-lvl 6 and when her ultimate was on cooldown. However, unless she really fucks up like the bi... she really fucka up, she's pretty much never going to get ganked.

That's really lame, I keep hating on Ahri, but seriously, that champion is so easy to balance, but it's like Riot wants her to be way too strong for some reason :/

Being safe is kind of the point of her. Aside from maybe midgame roaming there isn't much else that she does better than anyone else. She's not super bursty unless she's ahead, she doesn't have top tier poke or waveclear, she's skillshot reliant which means that she's not as good at killing priority targets as other champions, etc.

Ahri's niche is being incredibly safe.

LoL aint lifeAug 17, 20151 votes

Exactly, she might not be the best, but she's practically good at everything.

"Need harass in lane? You can pick Ahri." "Need to play safe in lane? Pick Ahri." "Need a good bursty champion?" Pick Ahri." "Need a mobile mage to kite melee champions? Pick Ahri." "Need a mage that can follow up with CC after an engage? Pick Ahri." "Need a mage that can sustain poke? Pick Ahri."

She's practically good at everything, thus never making her a bad pick against certain comps, unless it's someone like Malzahar who can just practically shit on Ahri.

EvilRabbittAug 17, 20152 votes

Complains about Ahri, doesn't pick Fizz/Yasuo/Talon/Zed/Orianna/Lissandra. What? I don't mid much, and I know those are her weaknesses. And a half decent Cass will make the Ahri miserable. And cho'gath will not gaf about her. I mean....why is everyone suddenly complaining about ahri? Go before pre-season 5 and you see NOTHING. Maybe once a month. Suddenly weekly? Are the sheep on the move? Did I miss the "Kat is balanced, Fizz is k, no one cares about Zed, Ekko is fine too, now lets bash Ahri" memo? I have more bones to pick than most other players, but I can take Kat mid and win it no matter who I'm against. Yet #1 complaint is Ahri?

Please explain. I gotta know what happened. DFG got removed, and even then it took several weeks for the first Ahri complaint to come up. I think I even saw a legitimate Ahri still needs buffs thread surrounded by "muh veigar compensation buffs".

lB2kGRlc8yAug 17, 20151 votes

Yes more cancerous champions exist, but that doesn't mean Ahri isn't overtuned atm. Side question, are you unable to find complaint threads on the champs you listed? I certainly didn't have toruble.

EvilRabbittAug 17, 20152 votes

Not having trouble, just amazed Ahri is the #1. I see more Ahri is op threads than any other. Also, #shamelessSelfPromotion- mind checking/upvoting my Fiora threads? I need to know why she can't have her passive work for jungling.

MiraweaveAug 17, 20151 votes

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Exactly, she might not be the best, but she's practically good at everything.

"Need harass in lane? You can pick Ahri." "Need to play safe in lane? Pick Ahri." "Need a good bursty champion?" Pick Ahri." "Need a mobile mage to kite melee champions? Pick Ahri." "Need a mage that can follow up with CC after an engage? Pick Ahri." "Need a mage that can sustain poke? Pick Ahri."

She's practically good at everything, thus never making her a bad pick against certain comps, unless it's someone like who can just practically shit on Ahri.

Yeah, she's got enough stuff that she can be pretty reliably ok against most teams.

She's also never going to be ideal in any focused team comp.

Viktor, for example, is better than Ahri at every single one of those things except sustain and mobility, and is only slightly worse at kiting than she is due to his Q having a movespeed buff on nearly a 100% uptime.

Azir is equally safe, scales much harder, and has much better harass.

Any actual assassin is going to be much burstier and much more reliably able to kill a priority target than Ahri.

The list goes on. The point being that she's always a decent pick but never really going to be the best midlaner for any given teamcomp, which is totally fine.

IonianAug 17, 20152 votes

Yes. Makes up for her lack of range compared to other mages, and her lack of burst compared to other assassins. Her strengths are mobility and kiting, her weaknesses are the huge mana costs (damn that early game hurts) and the fact that she needs a 110/90/80s cd ability to get kills or be useful in fights.

stuartk11Aug 17, 20151 votes

Ahri doesn't have mana issues worse than most other mages. Her main weakness is having less burst than her opposition. I feel that the movement speed addition to her Q was exactly so that she wasn't reliant on her ultimate to fight though.

PiVoRxAug 17, 20151 votes

you want me to list all champions that rely on ult on get a kill? and ahri actually is not on it charm + true damage = 100% kill meanwhile safety level over 9000

IcyPepperAug 17, 20151 votes

I'd call it more of a discount ghost than a free homeguard, considering it's a part of her kit and costs mana and doesn't give her bonus regeneration and movement speed on a passive whenever she visits the shop.

Tho I say discount since it does seem rather tacked on and she's not paying much more than mana for it.