Instead of an ! icon for when an enemy Rengar ults just open up the shop automatically

FalconPawwwwnch·Aug 17, 2015·315 votes·11,760 views

Just saves time tbh

135 Comments

HateDaddyAug 17, 201571 votes

http://i.imgur.com/AhiEntC.jpg

chipndip1Aug 17, 201511 votes

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http://i.imgur.com/AhiEntC.jpg

Should have said "Straight outta nowhere"

Saminus MaximusAug 17, 201543 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW_st2H2Y2Y

#Rengar - 1 #Counterplay - 0

KONO RUBICK DAAug 17, 201510 votes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW_st2H2Y2Y

#Rengar - 1 #Counterplay - 0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g04Xd1kDC3s

Diananmen SquareAug 17, 201514 votes

Rengar does to AD assassins what he does to ADCs.

Kuroi86Aug 18, 20155 votes

And people complain about Katarina Akali Talon Zed Ekko Fizz Leblanc Nidalee Yasuo

GankLordAug 18, 20151 votes

Add annie to that list who has no mobility XD and people are complaining about for some reason

Kuroi86Aug 18, 20156 votes

Admittedly, Annie doesn't have as much counter play as she probably should. But at least you see your death coming there.

NarasimhaAug 17, 20156 votes

Probably the noob question of the thread, but what the actual hell just happened?

DeathToHereticsAug 17, 20158 votes

Rengar. Rengar happened.

Saminus MaximusAug 17, 20159 votes

Empowers q throws e at the start of the jump, and then w and hydras in mid air, he probably crit too. Timed it so all the damage landed at the exact same time.

Your GödAug 18, 20151 votes

item 3074

Heil Hydra

CasterGilgameshAug 18, 20155 votes

heil hydra

Emperor TimeAug 17, 201535 votes

Literally can't upvote enough because rengar's gameplay has no counterplay, he either one shot's you or he doesn't and you have like no control over it if you are an adc.

Meep ManAug 17, 201511 votes

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Literally can't upvote enough because rengar's gameplay has no counterplay, he either one shot's you or he doesn't and you have like no control over it if you are an adc.

You actually do, theres these things called item 2043 and item 3362 . You could also get item 3026 . The majority of characters people consider OP is characters people are too lazy to use the counterplay given to face the character especially if it envolves wards.

Lee Sin is an aggressive ganker. How to go against? Wards. Rengar is an invisible assassin. How to go against? Wards.

Mayor StubbsAug 17, 201521 votes

The things you listed are barely considered counter play. Building a GA because he's going to global you is definitely something I don't consider counter play or at least healthy. And even if you can see him with a vision ward he still globals you.

JingerbeardmanAug 18, 20154 votes

Rengar is an assassin, Assassins are made to be able to 100-0 a squishy target very quickly. How to prevent that from completely eliminating you from a fight and removing the assassins best case scenario combo? Gaurdian angel. It has always been that way. if you are to ignorant to buy it at a decent time, well that is not my problem... but it just so happens to be yours.

Counterplay is not just built in mechanics on a champion that is going to save you, it is strategy. Placing wards in order to gain vision of a rengar using his ult, strategy. Buying a Guardian angel to negate his insta gibbing you, strategy. Counterplay is thinking about what could happen and acting accordingly to help prevent that. counterplay also is not all about what one person can do to stop something from happening but what you and your TEAMMATES can do to prevent it from happening.

Do not use a term you do not fully understand and act like you are some kind of authority on the subject. This is a team game, sometimes you have to rely on the help of your team to win. Shocking isn't it.

TrídentAug 18, 20156 votes

Probably what people mean:

you have time to react to other assassins no one can react in ~.01 seconds

iLumaAug 17, 201512 votes

Doesn't Lee Sin like live off wards?

Bears Dont CareAug 17, 20157 votes

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Literally can't upvote enough because rengar's gameplay has no counterplay, he either one shot's you or he doesn't and you have like no control over it if you are an adc.

Guys it's unfair that I, a squishy adc, can be one shot by an assassin.

Noam BraumskyAug 17, 20154 votes

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Guys it's unfair that I, a squishy adc, can be one shot by an assassin.

I mean, at least talon doesn't have hard cc or a heal.

Besides, most "healthy" assassins have to be very careful how and when they go in. Khazix tries to wait for a squishy to get separated, Zed waits until cc is blown on the frontline so he can burst the carry down, and unless Akali is insanely fed item 2043 and item 3364 destroy her ability to survive outside of zhonyas.

LeeDarkAug 18, 20151 votes

Funny how those same two items that hurt Akali do the same thing to Rengar. Funny how invis doesn't really work differently for different champs.

And yes, smart assassins don't go in when they can be CC'd and killed. This is just as true for assassin build Rengar. Worse, Rengar is often expected to be his team's initiator, so he often has to just not build assassin so he can do that. Smart players with assassins for opponents don't blow all their CC on tanks.

CasterGilgameshAug 18, 20152 votes

Akali also has to be very far ahead unlike rengar who can kill squishies even when behind

LeeDarkAug 18, 20153 votes

No, Akali can start killing squishies as soon as she reaches two items. Assassins will always be able to do this, even from behind, because they only need a couple of core items to reach a power level where they can kill squishy champions. This is because those squishy champions don't build defense. If your armor/mres and health don't increase by anything more than your growth stats, any assassin with a couple of items will be able to do their job.

Assassins are not overpowered just because you refuse to build the items you need to stop them.

Bears Dont CareAug 18, 20151 votes

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I mean, at least talon doesn't have hard cc or a heal.

Talon has a gap closer, an MS enhancer, stealth, and massive amounts of AOE damage. Malzahar does not have the same thing. He has no mobility. His damage is dealt over time rather than instantly like other assassins. Hence, why he has suppression CC.

He can't instantly gap close. He can't instantly burst you down. You're trying to compare a burst assassin to a assassin whose damage is sustained.

Your comparison is literally apples to oranges. Both fruit. Not the same.

CasterGilgameshAug 18, 20151 votes

dont even try to justify rengar he is tankier than other assassins at least the adc can flash away from talon before his blades get to him zed can't one shot an adc until he gets a 2 points into his ult and they just stand there kha comes close but even then he has been nerfed to the ground you have to compare rengar with assassins since he is one he may be a fighter but he is much close to an assassin then fighter

Bears Dont CareAug 18, 20152 votes

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dont even try to justify rengar he is tankier than other assassins at least the adc can flash away from talon before his blades get to him zed can't one shot an adc until he gets a 2 points into his ult and they just stand there kha comes close but even then he has been nerfed to the ground you have to compare rengar with assassins since he is one he may be a fighter but he is much close to an assassin then fighter

Rengar isn't going to oneshot you unless he is fed, just like every other assassin. So...I fail to see the problem.

A Miss FortuneAug 17, 201511 votes

He's a poorly designed "feast or famine" champion that regardless of who plays it I always see end up getting fed. Playing against Rengar Top is ridiculous, he'll simply hide in the brush until a minion is low, kill it, and walk back in. You can't really poke him, and you can't really deny him farm or experience. As for his jungling, his ganks aren't the best but he is DEFINITELY a carry jungler that can very easily win the game.

If he gets fed there's virtually nothing you can do to stop him besides hard CC and a lot of pink ward, but even then it takes less than 0.5 seconds to kill an ADC even when they have a defensive item. If he gets behind he's pretty useless but can still instakill your ADC late game and he actually does have a fair amount of utility so he isn't totally irrelevant.

RavoreAug 17, 20153 votes

He isnt poorly designed. His design is meant to be like that because thats what assassins do. They take out high priority targets then get out fast. Get in and get out is an assassin

MiraweaveAug 17, 20158 votes

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He isnt poorly designed. His design is meant to be like that because thats what assassins do. They take out high priority targets then get out fast. Get in and get out is an assassin

Assassins are supposed to have counterplay. Rengar has none.

Or would you consider a champion with a global 100% max Hp true damage targeted nuke to be well designed because they're an assassin taking out a priority target?

manbearswineAug 19, 20151 votes

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Or would you consider a champion with a global 100% max Hp true damage targeted nuke to be well designed because they're an assassin taking out a priority target?

Not sure if still talking about rengar or a theoretical concept.

RIP Tahm KenchAug 19, 20151 votes

As for the top lane farming thing, Darius is a great counter. Every time he goes in to last hit, you know exactly where he'll be, to the top left of the low health minion. So put that spot into your empowered Q range and tap it when he appears, bam instant 105/160/210/265/325 (+1.05 bonus ad) damage on a very short cd.

Although, now that his Q will have a delay this won't work anymore, after that happens I'll suggest Pantheon for the same reason, with the bonus of being able to block his Q.

NarasimhaAug 17, 20153 votes

he either one shot's you or he doesn't and you have like no control over it if you are an adc.

That's... pretty much every assassin ever. And then plenty of other champions too.

I mean, that's LITERALLLY part of the job description of an adc. High damage output, but folds at anything harder than a stiff breeze.

Don't get me wrong, .01 seconds is a bit too much, but one-shotting an adc is nothing special.

LeeDarkAug 17, 20152 votes

L2pink. Seriously. ! = pink ward. Then CC and kill him, but if he is one-shotting people, he's building zero defense. Hell, you can even just upgrade your trinket to the pink ward version and just use it whenever you see that !.

Emperor TimeAug 17, 20153 votes

You can place a pink, but that wont stop him from one shotting you if you're an adc. Rengar's only counterplay is to stay with a buddy and hope to god they cc him fast enough before he penetrates your asshole with his one shot combo.

LeeDarkAug 18, 20152 votes

That's the consequences of playing ADC. You don't get to be the most important role in the game, the only role a team ABSOLUTELY has to have, and the role best able to take down the front line tanks. You need help. And not just against assassin-built Rengars or assassins in general. You need your team to peel, and if they don't, you die. Them's the breaks, get over it.

Emperor TimeAug 18, 20153 votes

what happens if rengar kills you before anyone can react fast enough to peel.....and what happens when rengar is so fast that it doesn't even matter if you see the ! because he'll be on your ass in less than half a second.

here is a video showcasing Rengars sick counter play https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnDReZGyq90

I mean other assassins you at least see comming.

Kuroi86Aug 18, 20151 votes

Evelynn Khazix Shaco Talon Not always.

CasterGilgameshAug 18, 20151 votes

you can see even before she can get into her spell range and she has no heal to help her live or a root shaco is squishy but his stealth doesn't last that long kha is out of the meta and his stealths last for 1 second each talon stealth is close but doesn't last as long.

Kuroi86Aug 18, 20151 votes

You literally saw DFG Evelynn one second before your screen went gray. And during his meta days, Khazix popped people so fast you swore you never even saw him.

They've all been hard nerfed, but that just makes them even scarier when they do get fed. o.0

CasterGilgameshAug 18, 20151 votes

well DFG is gone and riot nerfed her pretty hard after awhile with no real compensation

Kuroi86Aug 19, 20151 votes

No doubt. Though item 3708 and item 3285 have helped her AP builds a good bit, thankfully she shouldn't hit the same point she did during the DFG days. It's much harder to get fed with these champs these days, though when they do get fed, you're pretty boned.

EIgrecoAug 19, 20151 votes

That rengar is 3 levels ahead of that kat and obviously insanely fed. He has full build while the kat has 3 items. If that kat had full build and rengar 3 items she would probably destroy him.

BeatzBoyFTWAug 17, 201519 votes

When Rito is improving League to be PG-rated:

http://i.memeful.com/memes/MAq2z5M.jpg

Krys StarAug 17, 201512 votes

http://i.imgur.com/fNlKksM.png

I'm just going to leave this here...

RavoreAug 17, 20155 votes

Did he just like....look at you and you died? HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN LOL

RangoTangoGankoAug 18, 20153 votes

it happens by the damage instead goes to the riot games champion files and deletes your champion. yw on clearing that up

LeeDarkAug 18, 20153 votes

What's your point? Are you seriously arguing that a 5 item assassin at 35 minutes into the game SHOULD NOT be able to kill a squishy support with zero armor items?

Krys StarAug 18, 20151 votes

Um... what? Where in my post does it imply an argument or that he shouldn't be able to? Stop trying to start a fight that isn't there. Read the topic title, and maybe the pic would make sense. Geeze, some people.

LeeDarkAug 18, 20151 votes

The thread is in Gameplay & Balance. The point of the thread is to suggest that assassin Rengar needs to be nerfed. Your post stands in agreement with that.